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The christian god encourages vandalism.

From Deuteronomy Chapter 7:5 :

"But thus shall ye deal with them: Ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire."

The christian god encourages vandalism.
But thus shall ye deal with them: Ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire."

Just one holy spirt you don't have to put a relegion in front of his tittle.

But passing those 3 words, if you think about the rest of this quote it true by modern standers.

Just one holy spirt you don't have to put a relegion in front of his tittle.

But passing those 3 words, if you think about the rest of this quote it true by modern standers.

I'm sorry. I can't read your writing. No offense intended.

At 9/1/04 08:28 PM, SodaHead wrote: From Deuteronomy Chapter 7:5 :

I'm not big on the Old Testament. It's more useful for it's history than anything else, especially with the new covenant.

At 9/1/04 03:20 PM, WolfwoodZ7 wrote: 1)Why do people keep on saying the Jews killed the Savoir. What the hell. Just because they didn't want change does not mean they killed him. Just because Jeawdu betrayed him doesn't mean the Jews killed him. Join the KKK or Nazi if you think that way.

2) Why do people hate Jewish people just because of their religion. They're the choosen people of G-d himself. Even occure to you that they're faith has been tested so many times making them strong.

Here are my answers to both of your questions.
1) It was the roman empire that killed jesus, the jews just betrayed him and im not going to hate jews for somthing that happened long ago. We can only look back and see what jesus did for all of our sins and what he stood for, thats all.
2) No-one hates jews you moron and if they do they need to keep that sh*t to themselves.

At 9/1/04 09:12 PM, WolfwoodZ7 wrote: The christian god encourages vandalism.
But thus shall ye deal with them: Ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire."

Just one holy spirt you don't have to put a relegion in front of his tittle.

But passing those 3 words, if you think about the rest of this quote it true by modern standers.

your ignorance and stupidity is vandalism and thou shall shut the f*ck up and speak modern english.

At 9/1/04 05:02 PM, FatherVenom wrote: Nope tornado. Why do you think people don't know that they skip? It's because it hard to see.

what do you mean by hard to see? and tornadoes don't skip across the ground; it's a popular misconception that tornadoes drop down from the sky. the vertical wind pattern that causes tornadoes forms first and pulls a funnel cloud down from the sky. in fact, the tornado itself is actually invisible; it's usually a few meters wider than what we can visually see.
and if you're referring to how they can skip houses, it's probably due to how they constantly fluctuate in intensity (i can't confirm this, though).

Tornados don't start on the ground. No weather pattern does.

so then explain why dust devils rise from the ground up, without a cloud in the sky. or why leaves spin in a circle on a clear day. or how clouds form in the first place.

Usually. Why do you think the runway in the US has so many? It's because it's open plains.

no, it's because the terrain is perfect in that area to allow two distinct fronts from the north and south to collide during spring and autumn. that's why countries in Asia with the same latitude measurements and flat plains don't get anywhere near the number of tornadoes the U.S. Alley does.

Yes because every master is concerned about making sure there's enough resources for their slaves and every freed slave does what the master wants them to do.

if he can't support them, they would be absolutely useless to him, considering they wouldn't have the strength to work. and he probably demanded that they do what he want, in exchange for their freedom.

There is historical record in them believing, but not worshiping.

source?

So you would agree with me that the universe isn't perfect then?

no, i'm saying we don't have the amount of knowledge needed to explain every inconsistency. or most things, for that matter.

At 9/2/04 01:33 AM, jaymc403 wrote: your ignorance and stupidity is vandalism and thou shall shut the f*ck up and speak modern english.

your vulgarity and stupidity is vandalism and thou shall shut the f*ck up and respect others.

yes, i'm aware of the irony. just making a point.

At 5/30/04 01:12 PM, JackOfShadow wrote:

As for me I don't believe in god and I think relegion started as a way for primitive people to explain the natural phenomenons around them and turned into a way to control people. After all look at Muhamad, he started as another penilles tailor and ended up the ruler of the arabian tribes. Or why do you think the catholic church declared that all protestants are heretics and should be killed? Because the property of these protestants went to the church!

I don't mean to sound stupid, making a reference to a videogame or anything but... if you've played Xenogears you'll know what I'm talking about. What if the current human perception of God is really just... man-made, and the real God is nothing more than just existance... the ability of things to exist.. to move and to be put into motion.

Thomas Jefferson and many of the U.S.'s forefathers were called "Deists" because they believed God created life and then left us alone to be the masters of our own destinies. The fact is that there are many probable answers out there, no doubt about it. One can even argue that God is the entire universe living, in a flux of expansion and contraction (big bang, big crunch). Let's say the whole universe is just one terrapulse (trillion) that expands as the big bang, and then once it reaches a certain astronomically finite size it contracts, like a massive pulse beyond human comprehension, some would argue that God is that pulse.

Truth be told, the primitive people thought of a God (or gods) to explain the unexplainable (fire, earthquakes, thunder), but that doesn't stop us from still thinking of a greater force that keeps the universe in a perpetual motion or that is behind certain events or coincidences that unfold in our lives.

Whether he exists or not is virtually up to you, but that still should not suggest that you should be a "bad" person just because there is no God to punish you, people can still give you a swift kick in the ass you know?

God....No God, I wouldn't feel comfortable living in a perfect world.
I'd rather enjoy this life.No problems?No trouble?I would go crazy living in a world like that.

Live Hard,Play Hard..DIE HARD!!

At 9/2/04 05:00 AM, Jqoc wrote: it's a popular misconception that tornadoes drop down from the sky.

Ever made a whirlpool in a household drain? It's the same principal. Go look at it now. Tell me whether it starts on the top or the bottom.

so then explain why dust devils rise from the ground up

That's just the wind pulling the sand up.

without a cloud in the sky

Clouds only indicate the presence of concentrated moisture in the air. It doesn't matter whether they are present to start weather pattern.

or why leaves spin in a circle on a clear day.

Air currents create wind. Where are these currents? In the upper atmosphere.

no, it's because the terrain is perfect in that area to allow two distinct fronts from the north and south to collide during spring and autumn.

Level terrain is conducive to venting heat evenly.

that's why countries in Asia with the same latitude measurements and flat plains don't get anywhere near the number of tornadoes the U.S. Alley does.

Most of it isn't at the same altitude, therfore colder, and those plains have more vegitation which absorbs heat but doesn't release as much.

if he can't support them, they would be absolutely useless to him, considering they wouldn't have the strength to work

Wrong thinking. Slavemasters would work them to death, strength or not.

and he probably demanded that they do what he want, in exchange for their freedom.

He could not have had controll over that and you know it.

source?

The tomb of the pharoh that had to deal with all these plagues.

no, i'm saying we don't have the amount of knowledge needed to explain every inconsistency. or most things, for that matter.

If there are a set of rules, exceptions show that those rules are flawed.

At 9/1/04 09:12 PM, WolfwoodZ7 wrote: Just one holy spirt you don't have to put a relegion in front of his tittle.

But passing those 3 words, if you think about the rest of this quote it true by modern standers.

Your arrogance intrigues me...

At 9/2/04 01:38 PM, FatherVenom wrote: Ever made a whirlpool in a household drain? It's the same principal. Go look at it now. Tell me whether it starts on the top or the bottom.

that's not the same principal because water has to slowly empty into a container beneath it to form a whirlpool. plus a whirlpool sucks things down; tornadoes toss things into the air.

That's just the wind pulling the sand up.

and how is wind caused? by cold air rushing in to fill low pressure areas, which is caused by rising warm air heated near the surface. the rapidly rising warm air is what forms dust devils and land/water spouts.

Clouds only indicate the presence of concentrated moisture in the air. It doesn't matter whether they are present to start weather pattern.

clouds follow wind direction, so eventually they end up wherever there is a low pressure system. but since dust devils start from the ground, they don't have much effect on clouds.

Air currents create wind. Where are these currents? In the upper atmosphere.

air currents also start from heated surfaces. and if they are in the upper atmosphere, why would they pick up leaves on the ground?

Level terrain is conducive to venting heat evenly.

that does not affect warm and cold fronts that travel from the poles and the equator.
besides, if the heat were vented evenly, tornadoes or even the severe storms that create them would not form.

Most of it isn't at the same altitude, therfore colder, and those plains have more vegitation which absorbs heat but doesn't release as much.

average temperature has almost nothing to do with how likely a tornado will form; differences in temperature between patches of air do. and i'm pretty sure Asia has much more farmland than the US. but even if that's false, that does not explain why the Philippines historically has had more tornadoes than central Asia, considering how the Philippines is very mountainous, has very little temperature change, and has plenty of vegetation.

but anyway we've apparently lost touch with what the original debate was about; so putting it all together, based on the fact that weather systems begin from warm rising air, tornadoes and land/water spouts can occur virtually anywhere, which means that there may have been a tornado in ancient Egypt which caused the so-called plague of frogs raining from the sky (god that's a mouthful).

Wrong thinking. Slavemasters would work them to death, strength or not.

not all slavemasters do this, e.g. some of the slavemasters in the history of the US.

He could not have had controll over that and you know it.

well if he could control them as slaves . . . it's all about the intimidation.

The tomb of the pharoh that had to deal with all these plagues.

any websites? at the moment i don't have time to search for them myself.

If there are a set of rules, exceptions show that those rules are flawed.

rules are concepts created by the human mind. and human minds were designed to be imperfect, but that does not necessarily mean it's imperfection of existence.

At 9/2/04 01:46 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 9/1/04 09:12 PM, WolfwoodZ7 wrote: Just one holy spirt you don't have to put a relegion in front of his tittle.

But passing those 3 words, if you think about the rest of this quote it true by modern standers.

Your arrogance intrigues me...

Don't you mean 'ignorance'? Just a thought.

plus, if God isn't perfect, how can he possibly create perfection? flawed beings will always overlook one thing or another, and considering the vast number of physical laws and properties that exist in the universe, only a perfect being could possibly create such a thing without overlooking anything.

Evidence of evil disproves the existance of god.

At 9/2/04 06:12 PM, Jqoc wrote: that's not the same principal because water has to slowly empty into a container beneath it to form a whirlpool.

It's still suction towards the inner point.

by cold air rushing in to fill low pressure areas

Where do you think the cold air comes from?

clouds follow wind direction,

Until they pass out of the system or lose enough of their substance.

air currents also start from heated surfaces.

Those are not the major power behind a tornado. The power comes from the cold air.

and if they are in the upper atmosphere, why would they pick up leaves on the ground?

You said it yourself. The cold air replaces the warm air.

if the heat were vented evenly, tornadoes or even the severe storms that create them would not form.

That's where different currents come into play.

average temperature has almost nothing to do with how likely a tornado will form

Heat and temperature are not the same thing.

and i'm pretty sure Asia has much more farmland than the US.

That's what I meant by vegitation, which decreases the chance of tornados.

but anyway we've apparently lost touch with what the original debate was about

You misunderstand. A focal point of our arguement depends on which one of us is correct.

which means that there may have been a tornado in ancient Egypt which caused the so-called plague of frogs raining from the sky.

There is no historical evidence, logical evidence, or meteological evidence.

not all slavemasters do this, e.g. some of the slavemasters in the history of the US.

I know this, however we are not talking about the slavemasters in the US, we're talking about a society in which all the slaves are essentially kept together for the work of the nobility.

well if he could control them as slaves . . . it's all about the intimidation.

You are missing the point. As soon as a master frees a slave he no longer has control.

any websites? at the moment i don't have time to search for them myself.

I don't think the theological schools that are covering this have posted any findings yet.

human minds were designed to be imperfect

How did you come to this garbage conclusion?

At 9/1/04 09:12 PM, WolfwoodZ7 wrote: The christian god encourages vandalism.
But thus shall ye deal with them: Ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire."

Those were specific instructions to the Israelites about what to do with pagan altars in Canaan.

At 9/3/04 12:50 AM, FatherVenom wrote: It's still suction towards the inner point.

yes, suction down towards the drain. think about it; if you were to look at it upside down so that the whirlpool were to pull things up, wouldn't it still flow from the bottom up?

Where do you think the cold air comes from?

granted, some of it does comes from above, but that air pushes down through the center of the funnel, it doesn't pull anything up.

Those are not the major power behind a tornado. The power comes from the cold air.

technically that's true, however since cold air is denser than warm air it can only fall, which means that cold air does not create an updraft; it can only intensify an updraft. and since air pressure and temperature become proportionately lower as you get higher in altitude, you need a significantly low pressure system near the ground to cause these events. and how is a low pressure system formed? warm air.

You said it yourself. The cold air replaces the warm air.

the key words in my statement were 'pick up'. falling cold air does not do it, rising warm air does.

That's where different currents come into play.

which are also formed from warm rising air on the equator.

Heat and temperature are not the same thing.

yes, but what does that have to do with varying temperatures in patches of air?

That's what I meant by vegitation, which decreases the chance of tornados.

vegetation does not decrease the chance of tornadoes because the Philippines alone has much more vegetation per area than most places in central Asia. and farmland is generally void of large shrubs; it's basically the same as wide open plains.

You misunderstand. A focal point of our arguement depends on which one of us is correct.

well ok then, this quote from this website should be enough to prove my point: "Tornadoes can form anywhere in the world."

There is no historical evidence, logical evidence, or meteological evidence.

generally you're not likely to find evidence of a tornado that happened 3500 years ago.

I know this, however we are not talking about the slavemasters in the US, we're talking about a society in which all the slaves are essentially kept together for the work of the nobility.

you mean the noble? anyway what i'm saying is at some point the Egyptian slaves may have somehow become more of a burden to them than an asset, especially if the conditions that the slaves lived in were so poor that it eventually started to affect the nobles.

You are missing the point. As soon as a master frees a slave he no longer has control.

not true, he would still have indirect control because the power of his empire would still intimidate his former slaves. it's like telling someone"you can go wherever you want, but if you do this or that i'll beat the crap out of you."

How did you come to this garbage conclusion?

remember what the original discussion was about? it was about whether God was perfect or not, assuming he exists. if he exists, then he created the human mind, which would mean it was designed by Him to be imperfect. i suggest you think about these things a little more before you call someone elses opinion garbage.

At 9/2/04 09:58 PM, SodaHead wrote: Evidence of evil disproves the existance of god.

i disagree, evil is the evidence of free will not that God doesnt exist. evil is our decision to go against what God wants for us. He doesnt control us giving us the choice to do good or evil.

I have a challenge. Find one place in the Bible that Jesus condemns slavery, and quote what chapter and verse it's from.

At 9/3/04 10:45 AM, SodaHead wrote: I have a challenge. Find one place in the Bible that Jesus condemns slavery, and quote what chapter and verse it's from.

and what would i be proving, or disproving by finding such a verse.

At 9/3/04 10:45 AM, SodaHead wrote: I have a challenge. Find one place in the Bible that Jesus condemns slavery, and quote what chapter and verse it's from.

"And this is my commandment to you, that you love your neighbor as yourself." I forget the actual verse, but I think you probably know this is in there.

At 9/3/04 10:52 AM, FatherVenom wrote:

"And this is my commandment to you, that you love your neighbor as yourself." I forget the actual verse, but I think you probably know this is in there.

well father vemon, i have to hand it to you, i beleve that you beat that guys challenge. also it would be useful to throw in the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

At 9/3/04 10:45 AM, SodaHead wrote: I have a challenge. Find one place in the Bible that Jesus condemns slavery, and quote what chapter and verse it's from.

so you support slavery? its not a matter of the bible, its a matter of common sense. man, i hope aliens make white people their slaves, so you could know what its like.....oh no! im white!! that would suck!

At 9/3/04 10:58 AM, invisible_guy wrote:

At 9/3/04 10:52 AM, FatherVenom wrote:

"And this is my commandment to you, that you love your neighbor as yourself." I forget the actual verse, but I think you probably know this is in there.

well father vemon, i have to hand it to you, i beleve that you beat that guys challenge. also it would be useful to throw in the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

You forget that slaves were not considered human beings. They were considered property.

This will be my last post here on this topic. But before I go, I want to ask all the Christians this: "Why do you believe in God, or Jesus?" I've asked so many others the same question, yet they couldn't give me a clear answer.

PAX VOBISCUM,
SodaHead (37 x 18)

At 9/3/04 04:11 PM, SodaHead wrote: This will be my last post here on this topic. But before I go, I want to ask all the Christians this: "Why do you believe in God, or Jesus?" I've asked so many others the same question, yet they couldn't give me a clear answer.

1. you cant disprove it
2. it explains what happens after death
3. weve found parts of it to be true
4. there are things that could have been passed down from one generation to the next, ex. almost all cultures have their story of a global flood (noah and the arc) which may have something to do with the continental drift
5. the bible and christianity welcomes all people and treats everyone as equals.
6. when you read the bible it makes sense to most, and it has the power to change peoples lives.
7. jesus did exist, we have also found that out as well
8. it also explains where the earth came from and how we got here.
i have others as well.

Well, i am Roman Catholic...but sometimes i really question it(My Religion), about it's credibility, and if it is true. Knowing that God planned everything from the beginning and that He knows eveything before it happens ...did he also plan to have an Enemy, who is Satan?...or if he didn't, Did He know that this would happen rom the very beginning? ... Those kinds of questions come to my mind...
but, i still DO believe...almost always

At 9/3/04 10:45 PM, KaizerMetalisk wrote: Well, i am Roman Catholic...but sometimes i really question it(My Religion), about it's credibility, and if it is true.

i have a question, im just wondering: do you have a book in your bible called the apacropha?

At 9/3/04 03:56 PM, SodaHead wrote: You forget that slaves were not considered human beings. They were considered property.

They were considered both.