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I assume this will be an unpopular opinion, but I'd like to know what you guys think :)

There is some really amazing art on here!! BUT also some...just pervert crap..I'm sorry but it's what i think.
I know, I know..."freedom of expression" but what has perverted anime got to do with anything ? are people that bored and desperate ? O_O
Anyways I just think it doesn't belong...but maybe somewhere else..?...i guess thats what some people are into, i don't know But all i know is it's not appreciated :P looking through the art and seeing so many great pieces and then these....stupid perverted ones that just ruin it.

Anyone else think so too ?

I agree with you. I understand that people want to draw things... But must they corrupt cartoon characters by having them be raped or in suggestive positions.
You can do adult art and be tasteful (for example, the Heavy Metal magazines, Luis De Royo).

It's lame as fuck. Porn should have it's own separate place. I'm sick of the "highest rated" pieces of "art" on the portal being Raven from Teen Titans naked. Fucking weirdo's who fap to that gotta 5 vote it everyday, it's not even art it's just lame perverted fan art. It shouldn't get front paged, it makes the whole art portal look like a joke.

The only reason it floods the art portal and makes it to front page so successfully is based on one principle: Sex sells.

At 7/16/13 01:11 AM, Cons14 wrote: The only reason it floods the art portal and makes it to front page so successfully is based on one principle: Sex sells.

Says who?

Just so you know, the people who talk that way think that monkeys can do this. They take all this monkey crap and just stick it in a briefcase completely unaware that their success depends on something more than their shoeshine. YOU are the product. You- FEELING something. That's what sells. Not them. Not sex. They can't do what we do, and they hate us for it.

At 7/16/13 02:01 AM, Aigis wrote:

At 7/16/13 01:11 AM, Cons14 wrote: The only reason it floods the art portal and makes it to front page so successfully is based on one principle: Sex sells.

Says who?

Just so you know, the people who talk that way think that monkeys can do this. They take all this monkey crap and just stick it in a briefcase completely unaware that their success depends on something more than their shoeshine. YOU are the product. You- FEELING something. That's what sells. Not them. Not sex. They can't do what we do, and they hate us for it.

Your statement is true, absolutely. And no, drawing pretty girls with too much skin doesn't mean success by any means. But generally I see more success with those who utilize this concept and integrate it into something whether vaguely implied or jumping-in-your-face obvious.
For example, I've never drawn anything suggestive, and I've also never been that popular as an artist. Yet I've seen someone make sonic fan characters gagged and hogtied and this person has hundreds of fans. I said Sex Sells because that's generally what I've seen put something ahead of a competitor.

well it might be that people think that thats whats popular and will get them noticed here although good art is good art no matter how you look at it unless the person drawing wants to because he or she enjoys it then i dont think thats an issue. although haven't they ever considered of categorizing art i know it might be more difficult but i think it would be more helpful :D

At 7/16/13 03:36 AM, Haith92 wrote: good art is good art no matter how you look at it

But what constitutes "good art"? Doesn't the criteria vary from person to person, culture to culture? Certainly it's complex, yes?

At 7/16/13 12:39 AM, 372 wrote: It's lame as fuck. Porn should have it's own separate place. I'm sick of the "highest rated" pieces of "art" on the portal being Raven from Teen Titans naked. Fucking weirdo's who fap to that gotta 5 vote it everyday, it's not even art it's just lame perverted fan art. It shouldn't get front paged, it makes the whole art portal look like a joke.

Dosen't that constitute some kind of pedophilia? I mean seriously, There's a frigging ton of licensed characters that are children that are repeatedly portrayed in a pornographic manner. Not only that, I would imagine the original owners would be greatly offended and could somehow find a way to pursue legal charges.

At 7/16/13 10:50 AM, ornery wrote: This issue is actually something the art mods have been dealing with for a while. We have a few tools and options that we can use but its still a pretty big issue. We don't like censorship when it can be avoided, so currently the best thing people can do is just ignore the pieces. Don't view the pieces, don't review them, don't complain about them. If they stop drawing attention and only quality stuff that doesn't use t&a to get its views starts getting more notice maybe people will slowly shift.

Unfortunately its not a very practical one so we would appreciate some ideas to remedy this issue without censoring to much stuff.

Well there is tons upon tons of sex related flash games and animations that ALSO do really well in the portal, so it seems to be expected that the art portal will have the same problem...and it has had the EXACT same problem. I just ignore it, and as long as the person puts A, the easiest solution is to just not activate A rated art, right? I think a good solution would be to have A rated art have its own rating category so that it doesnt show in the overall top art at all. It only shows when A is not hidden.

At 7/16/13 12:39 AM, 372 wrote: It's lame as fuck. Porn should have it's own separate place. I'm sick of the "highest rated" pieces of "art" on the portal being Raven from Teen Titans naked. Fucking weirdo's who fap to that gotta 5 vote it everyday, it's not even art it's just lame perverted fan art. It shouldn't get front paged, it makes the whole art portal look like a joke.

I completely agree with you!! Like really, who the hell wants to see that -_- It's just pathetic.

At 7/15/13 11:39 PM, Mrccbirdguy wrote: I agree with you. I understand that people want to draw things... But must they corrupt cartoon characters by having them be raped or in suggestive positions.
You can do adult art and be tasteful (for example, the Heavy Metal magazines, Luis De Royo).

Thank you!! i completely agree! its so unnecessary!

Thank you guys so much for the responses!! :) I was pleasantly surprised with how many replies it got and some of you AGREED with me! :D I'm so glad i wasnt the only one who thought this :)
I read them all and I definitely agree, for the most part anyways :)
Shouldnt these members be banned or something ?
Thank you very much again :)

Are you Grumpy artist types and pseudo intellectuals talking about this again? its not like it'll make any difference, could be talking out of my arse again but the majority of consumers on Newgrounds are in the age range of 13-17 and are mostly straight males, I don't think being rid of their wank bank of gratuitous anime cartoon furry porn would be a very popular choice considering most of them come here to turn their dicks into peperami sticks on a daily basis, is there a solution? who cares? that's what our audience wants, who are we to tell them otherwise?

At 7/16/13 10:50 AM, ornery wrote: This issue is actually something the art mods have been dealing with for a while. We have a few tools and options that we can use but its still a pretty big issue. We don't like censorship when it can be avoided, so currently the best thing people can do is just ignore the pieces. Don't view the pieces, don't review them, don't complain about them. If they stop drawing attention and only quality stuff that doesn't use t&a to get its views starts getting more notice maybe people will slowly shift.

Unfortunately its not a very practical one so we would appreciate some ideas to remedy this issue without censoring to much stuff.

You don't have to censor the art portal, but regulations on pornography should exist. The art portal seems like a big-weird- hentia gallery once you click the Art portal. Sexually nudity should just be listed in a Mature category instead. As in you an have the Art Portal, and the "Mature" Art section. Porn can be art, but it's still porn. It's not censorship to make that clear.

Its ironic because the mature art section would only be full of really immature art.

I don't have an issue with hentai itself. But I have to agree that it negatively affects the community's mentality.

Typically I'd argue that you'd have to be open-minded to accept hentai. But at this point, you'd have to be open-minded to accept anything but hentai. Hentai is probably the most widely accepted art form in the portal right now, and it overshadows everything else by a considerable margin.

A lot of people simply browse for porn, which negatively affects the balance and dynamic of the art portal. When an artist like FarturAst doesn't receive "most popular" work on a regular basis, there's something wrong.

At 7/16/13 01:09 PM, Renegade182 wrote: Thank you guys so much for the responses!! :) I was pleasantly surprised with how many replies it got and some of you AGREED with me! :D I'm so glad i wasnt the only one who thought this :)
I read them all and I definitely agree, for the most part anyways :)
Shouldnt these members be banned or something ?
Thank you very much again :)

Banned? Wtf is wrong with you?
These are people making porn and sharing it with people because they like it. It's not their fault it becomes so popular.
This is goddamn newgrounds, this is not a place for prude grannies and grampies, 'tis the home of the cock joke ffs.
While it's true that the adult art is generally more popular than the "normal" art, if you don't want to see it, just untick the little "A" icon on the right. And BAM, no more porn and you can enjoy your non-nude arts.
I think every one is making such a big deal out of this, while it really shouldn't be.
it's not like the porn in the art portal is preventing people from viewing other work. The people that pay so much attention to the porn are there just for only the porn anyway. The ones that want to view the normal works don't even have to see it.

You know I've thought that the community rocking the forums compared to the ones viewing top scoring art is not fully represented here. Like said before, the age and viewership when it comes to some art is different on the main portal than artists viewing the forums. (For the most part, I don't see the booby lovin' 13 year old's pass by here TOO often and stay regulars), because the forums is a forum and discussion of art.

Even though society rates art anonymously, 5 stars due solely to content over skill really shouldn't be bringing you guys down.

I love Ng's scouting system for this (as it works for the most part) but D.A's top art is flooded oft with fan art, and I can't seem to get my artwork displayed there as well as Newgrounds, on a view range as well as feedback.
It's just gonna be a common thing in and out of the internet.
As long as the community runnin' the show in the background is lively and active, talking about improving themselves and their art as well as assisting others is really what makes the art portal what it is now.

Fan Art and porn are instant networking. They're feeding into a branch already pulsing with a large fandom.
Your art is unique and you were the full creator of it. You're a pioneer of your work, which is much harder then jumping a bandwagon, but it will make you, well, your own person, as well as the work.

I'd just ignore it and take the art as an influence to your own life style: Learn from it in positive way or negative way.

It's a good lesson if you are trying to freelance and sell your work.

Sorry if it's off topic, I just often say this to myself. Was wondering what you'd think about it.
I hope I don't come off as ignorant and stuck in a mindset, but I think this is why I don't give much mind to the whole viewing/ rating game.

I do fan art sometimes because I'd love drawing the characters. Not for shipping and getting views.

I didn't think that was a thing.

Id like to say that any aggressive critique of said horrible artist(s) leads to legions of retarded 14 year olds raiding your art and 0 voting it all. This would amuse me greatly if it wasnt so sad.... for newgrounds.

*shrugs* who cares. it doesn't hurt me and sometimes I find it pretty amusing.

interesting images, that's all it is

I just looked through the first 10 pages of newest with adult submissions disabled, and there were 8 thumbnails that were just tits, obviously just fishing for views .

That's 3% of the portal, I'm sure there's more than that that just aren't just straight out advertising its just tits, but even tripling that is still less than 10% of the portal. Maybe I just have thicker skin and can just brush off seeing some poorly drawn titties.

At 7/17/13 04:51 AM, Template88 wrote: Id like to say that any aggressive critique of said horrible artist(s) leads to legions of retarded 14 year olds raiding your art and 0 voting it all. This would amuse me greatly if it wasnt so sad.... for newgrounds.

I'm just going to assume that this wasn't aimed at me -_- As there was no aggression whats so ever and i'm not retarded or 14 :P

Banned? Wtf is wrong with you?
These are people making porn and sharing it with people because they like it. It's not their fault it becomes so popular.
This is goddamn newgrounds, this is not a place for prude grannies and grampies, 'tis the home of the cock joke ffs.
While it's true that the adult art is generally more popular than the "normal" art, if you don't want to see it, just untick the little "A" icon on the right. And BAM, no more porn and you can enjoy your non-nude arts.
I think every one is making such a big deal out of this, while it really shouldn't be.
it's not like the porn in the art portal is preventing people from viewing other work. The people that pay so much attention to the porn are there just for only the porn anyway. The ones that want to view the normal works don't even have to see it.

I was asking people their opinions, douchebag -_- if you wanna see porn go on a porn site or something....people have agreed with me so there isn't something wrong with me, maybe there is with you.

At 7/17/13 02:53 PM, Renegade182 wrote:

At 7/17/13 04:51 AM, Template88 wrote: Id like to say that any aggressive critique of said horrible artist(s) leads to legions of retarded 14 year olds raiding your art and 0 voting it all. This would amuse me greatly if it wasnt so sad.... for newgrounds.

I'm just going to assume that this wasn't aimed at me -_- As there was no aggression whats so ever and i'm not retarded or 14 :P

No, unless I've ever critiqued you for your horribly drawn pornography publicly on newgrounds and then you had a fit of aspergers.

Hentai is what made little 9 year old Jester start coming to Newgrounds, that's for damn sure. I don't like that a large portion of the most popular art is occupied by porn draw by He who shall not be named at literally any given moment, but we can't pretend Newgrounds hasn't always been this way.

At 7/17/13 04:28 PM, Jester wrote: Hentai is what made little 9 year old Jester start coming to Newgrounds, that's for damn sure. I don't like that a large portion of the most popular art is occupied by porn draw by He who shall not be named at literally any given moment, but we can't pretend Newgrounds hasn't always been this way.

No seriously, is not saying shadman like an art forum meme or something? Are people afraid of his fans shitting on them all day or something?

At 7/17/13 04:33 PM, Template88 wrote:

No seriously, is not saying shadman like an art forum meme or something? Are people afraid of his fans shitting on them all day or something?

I don't know, nobody else in this thread said his name even though we're all talking about him, I thought maybe it was an unspoken art forum rule to not name names while talking shit.