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god is not a rice guy

he dosnt eat rice

For real, do not talk to god.

i troll u

people are taking this thread so seriously wtf

At 7/16/13 12:09 PM, Mechwarrior300 wrote: people are taking this thread so seriously wtf

Agreed. I'm pretty sure OP never meant for this topic to turn into a flaming war about religion. I thought this was just gonna be another one of those troll threads about religion and that it would die out very soon, but unfortunately people on the forums started taking this thread seriously and then an all out religion war exploded. I could not be happier if a mod came and locked this thread. As if we don't already have enough religion threads made in the general forum.

Religion has killed millions of people, science has made the tools to increase the deaths.

Religion believes in peace and to preserve things, science believes in making nuclear waste then dumping it into rivers and oceans...

According to science if you can't see it, doesn't exist. We didn't see the big bang...

Its going to tie up no matter how you put it, so neither side wins =P

At 7/16/13 02:03 PM, zmatt007 wrote: Religion has killed millions of people, science has made the tools to increase the deaths.

Religion believes in peace and to preserve things, science believes in making nuclear waste then dumping it into rivers and oceans...

According to science if you can't see it, doesn't exist. We didn't see the big bang...

Its going to tie up no matter how you put it, so neither side wins =P

True, but science has also brought benefits to the world such as the numerous technologies that we use today. None of it would've been possible without science. Hell, without science we would literally still be living in caves. Science has brought more benefit to the world in the last 200 years than religion has in the last 2000 years.

At 7/16/13 02:08 PM, VinnyXY wrote: True, but science has also brought benefits to the world such as the numerous technologies that we use today. None of it would've been possible without science. Hell, without science we would literally still be living in caves. Science has brought more benefit to the world in the last 200 years than religion has in the last 2000 years.

I know, and every rationally thinking person knows, but some people are so logically blinded by religion that they refuse to believe anything else

At 7/16/13 02:17 PM, rapgenius wrote:

At 7/16/13 02:12 PM, Xenomit wrote:

I know, and every rationally thinking person knows, but some people are so logically blinded by religion that they refuse to believe anything else

Did you get raped bro, is that why you hate God so much?

God hates me for preferring furries over humans

If we didn't have religion, we wouldn't have culture. We would have never colonized America.

Who fucking knows what would happen if we didn't have religion, though I can say this much, it would be pure hell since we wouldn't have a guide line of whats wrong and right =P

At 7/16/13 02:27 PM, zmatt007 wrote: If we didn't have religion, we wouldn't have culture. We would have never colonized America.

Who fucking knows what would happen if we didn't have religion, though I can say this much, it would be pure hell since we wouldn't have a guide line of whats wrong and right =P

Two things.

1. I never said religion should never have been started by humans, it was really important for early development. We've simply technologically evolved beyond the need for it, it's nothing but a problem starter these days. There will be a time eventually in the not-so-distant future when everyone just kinda forgets about religion, I just wish it would hurry up so it can stop being one of the main causes of global disorder.

2. Religion doesn't teach us what's wrong or right. Humans are born naturally having a moral compass. Children don't really start thinking about religion until they're in their late childhood, and you don't see them being a moral mess. Not to mention that humans have decided over the course of thousands of years what's right and wrong, not god. Humans know killing other humans is bad because it's counter-productive to society and he/she's another sentient being. Humans know stealing is bad because someone had to work hard to get what is is they have, and wouldn't want people taking their stuff. Humans know suicide is wrong because, like murder, it's counter productive to society. I could keep going on and on. All human morals have a scientific and socially evolved reason behind them, and I'm well convinced that even if religion had never developed in the human psyche, we'd still have a good idea of what you should and shouldn't do.

But damn, I can't believe I typed all that.

At 7/16/13 02:54 PM, Xenomit wrote: But damn, I can't believe I typed all that.

You spent your time typing all that and your post is at the bottom of the page. Who the hell is gonna read or even see all that text that you worked so hard to type up? You wasted your time.

The problem is the word nice. A term used to describe perception of human morality. The scope is so massive that to judge anywhere will always make a fool once you step back from enough boxes. Anything happens how it happens and could not happen any other way. Think about it, you live the life you live learning words and concepts from the structure and environment around you. You could claim to make a choice, but it will always be the choice you were suppose to make. Even the whole concept of right and wrong is nothing more than programming. You will live the life you're intended to live. The problems you face might very well be the glories of the next man. To judge is to cross the line and yet we excuse it as human nature. In our judgement, we act or don't act based on something we know nothing about. As such, the timeline moves accordingly. By not judging, the man you might think looks like an addict could be the guy who produces your work or the high class women might slip and admit it's her husbands money shes dating you with. The second you stop trying to judge, you learn you have no mistakes or regrets. For everything about you have brought you and us around you to where we are.

It's like people who claim to listen when really they are only hearing some words while thinking more about their response. Like some of you are doing now before even letting my words ring. It's OK though, those who don't understand aren't suppose to while those who do serve as some purpose to my having wrote this.

At 7/14/13 03:41 PM, RacistBassist wrote: Which doesn't really matter that much if bullshit things such as souls or the afterlife were real.

No, it would still matter. You only live once. And that still doesn't justify his actions.

You know what's disturbing? People like Zmatt can't conceive how people could have a moral compass without fairy tales to guide them. Also, science doesn't "contradict itself" as he said. Sometimes theories are proven wrong, but you know what happens then? People in the scientific community learn from that and change their thinking. Why don't you thank science for that computer you're sitting at and that internet connection that lets you share your stupid views with the world?

We wouldn't have culture? What? Since when is religion the one and only thing that defines culture?

Zmatt, you might be retarded

At 7/16/13 01:52 AM, thenerd01 wrote: 372 you are an idiot god is real cunt

Oh shit. There you have it, folks. undeniable proof. Start worshipping.

At 7/16/13 02:54 PM, Xenomit wrote:

:Humans are born naturally having a moral compass.

Children are innocent and acceptable to anything growing up. Innocence is not good moral fiber. Innocence is bliss and happiness from not knowing evil. Good moral fiber is the resistence, knowledge, and inner victory that tries to corrupt the heart and mind. When saving the innocence no good people are being saved. When saving the innocent, at best people are being saved from what they can't handle yet.

Humans are born naturally innocent, not naturally good. It is not the same....

I can't honestly think of innocent people as good people. When they haven't experienceany evil in their lives.

Being a good person, doesn't depend on being a god damn fool.

At 7/16/13 04:48 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Also, science doesn't "contradict itself" as he said.

Most religions say you can't know the true 100% God. Same wiggle room science uses to expand itself, religions use to expand. Yet people who depend on science make the same claims to all religions that they "contradict itself."

It's all too literal.....

At 7/16/13 07:44 PM, Tankdown wrote:

You cleverly dodged the part where I explain how all of the basic rights and wrongs of society come natural to humans

At 7/16/13 08:02 PM, Xenomit wrote: You cleverly dodged the part where I explain how all of the basic rights and wrongs of society come natural to humans

I didn't care, the premsis of children are wrong. As for the rest, the entire characater of the human race is irrelvent. In no way implied all what you said is wrong. Why argue about natural at all? When I can argue about innocence. Your logic implies everything, so I choose to attack one detail.

It wasn't so much a dodge rather then a pierce.

At 7/16/13 07:49 PM, Tankdown wrote: It's all too literal.....

What are you even talking about?

At 7/16/13 04:27 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 7/14/13 03:41 PM, RacistBassist wrote: Which doesn't really matter that much if bullshit things such as souls or the afterlife were real.

No, it would still matter. You only live once. And that still doesn't justify his actions.

No, it wouldn't. In the event that God were legit, and the afterlife, and all of that jazz, our mortal life wouldn't exactly amount to much. We may only live once, but we shall live forever

At 7/16/13 08:26 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: What are you even talking about?

^Story of my life

Science or religion taken to heart is a self contradiction. Professionals in either never made the claim of knowing all. Science doesn't claim to have measured everything. Saints don't claim to truly know god. It's the same wiggle room of uncertainty. Yet at the same time. Both make theories or leaps of faith to pass judgement.

At 7/16/13 08:31 PM, RacistBassist wrote:

At 7/16/13 04:27 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 7/14/13 03:41 PM, RacistBassist wrote: Which doesn't really matter that much if bullshit things such as souls or the afterlife were real.

No, it would still matter. You only live once. And that still doesn't justify his actions.

No, it wouldn't. In the event that God were legit, and the afterlife, and all of that jazz, our mortal life wouldn't exactly amount to much. We may only live once, but we shall live forever

I don't understand how exactly, if morality exists and is thought to be universal, would fail not to apply to God.

At 7/16/13 08:37 PM, Light wrote: I don't understand how exactly, if morality exists and is thought to be universal, would fail not to apply to God.

Nobody is claiming that, I'm just saying it would be kinda foolish for us to try to place our sense of it on some deity, especially when ours revolves around YOLO.

At 7/16/13 08:37 PM, Light wrote:

At 7/16/13 08:31 PM, RacistBassist wrote:

I don't understand how exactly, if morality exists and is thought to be universal, would fail not to apply to God.

*Fail to apply. I meant to say that instead.

It's essentially saying that God is above the law because he's so damn powerful. An utterly absurd claim, to be sure.

At 7/16/13 08:39 PM, RacistBassist wrote:

At 7/16/13 08:37 PM, Light wrote: I don't understand how exactly, if morality exists and is thought to be universal, would fail not to apply to God.

Nobody is claiming that, I'm just saying it would be kinda foolish for us to try to place our sense of it on some deity, especially when ours revolves around YOLO.

Oh, OK then. Would it be accurate to say that in spite of the moral theories that moral philosophers have conceived over the centuries, they haven't found the one that is correct, universal, and binding to God, in your opinion?

Would you also say that if moral laws exist and are universal, they also apply to God and that he must follow them as well?

And, to be fair, most moral philosophers, and those who have reached Lawrence Kohlberg's 6th stage of moral reasoning don't live hedonistic lifestyles, as you seem to suggest.

Even if God does not exist, I can say this much.

I've seen more people change by religion for the better than science ever did. Rapist, molesters, drug addicts, wife beaters, "homosexuals", people contemplating suicide, prison convicts, drunks...They've all changed, since most of them go to my church.

I would have been a mass serial killer no shit if I didn't have religion. So count your blessings =P

At 7/17/13 09:48 AM, zmatt007 wrote: Even if God does not exist, I can say this much.

I've seen more people change by religion for the better than science ever did. Rapist, molesters, drug addicts, wife beaters, "homosexuals", people contemplating suicide, prison convicts, drunks...They've all changed, since most of them go to my church.

I would have been a mass serial killer no shit if I didn't have religion. So count your blessings =P

There's something very wrong with you if you need religion in order to behave morally. I've never needed it.

Also, just because you're a convict doesn't mean you belong in prison. Lots of inoccent people go to jail just for having a little weed. And not all people who do drugs are addicts.

And what's wrong with homosexuals? Are you a homophobe?

At 7/17/13 02:04 PM, tox wrote: this thread was a joke thread.. am i correct in asumbing that it de-evolved into a actual religion thread?

Unfortunately, you are correct. OP never meant for this thread to turn into a flaming religion war. He created this thread just to troll with people and he expected this thread would just die out very quickly, but then some sensitive people came and took this thread too seriously and next thing you know is, an all out religion war exploded.