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Anyone taking bets on whether this is gonna be another middle eastern civil war?

It'd be the most ironic thing to watch american made weapons killing egyptian civilianss. Nobel Peace Prize Obama gives the government the weapons of war and they get turned on civilians.

Yeah I don't think it's gonna happen. the military so far seems pro civilian.

Tyranny of the majority. Only fitting since the revolution was driven by mob mentality and not inspired by any uniting ideology. Might be another French revolution all over again. Of course this is their leaderships fault, they could have peacefully made the change for the better, they were educated. Instead they dragged the whole country to hell with them.

Sinai is not mentioned. As the stability weakens, sinai is taken over by al-qaida and their like. Sinai bedouins breaking from egypt and forming the emirate of sinai is not an impossible scenario.

At 7/2/13 09:11 PM, Spretznaz wrote: Oh hey, so it looks like the military is threatening a coup unless this thing gets resolved within a couple days. Wonderful.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/02/world/meast/egypt-protests/ind ex.html?hpt=wo_c1

A coup is a seizure of power. The army always had that power, it was never surrendered to the president.

good good. the military will hopefully step in and kick some muslim brotherhood ass. We have more than enough islamic theocracies, we don't need Egypt to become another.

as an update, the Egyptian military has sworn to fight for the Egyptian people, even if it comes to fighting.

Morsi is doing Egypt a HUGE favor by being defiant. Perhaps once He's thrown out of office the next election won't allow fundamental Islamist parties to run.

At 7/3/13 10:11 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: well according to some people the US better get into egypt just like they want to in syria.

what bullshit is this?

No that would surely be unnecessary in this case. I think the people of Egypt can handle this problem themselves.

At 7/3/13 10:02 AM, Korriken wrote: as an update, the Egyptian military has sworn to fight for the Egyptian people, even if it comes to fighting.

Hah, that would be great if it hadn't participated in torture in the past....

Morsi is doing Egypt a HUGE favor by being defiant. Perhaps once He's thrown out of office the next election won't allow fundamental Islamist parties to run.

Morsi isn't necessarily a Fundamentalist Muslim, at the very least in the context of his country. He's more or less a moderate, center right. His party is like an Egyptian Republican Party, it is pro-Business and pretty religious but not so intrusive relative to other extremes. One way you can tell is the way he dresses, he looks like a businessman, he doesn't have a large beard and he wears a suit. The Egyptian Fundamentalist Party, Al-Nour, on the other hand does dress like that, the leader has a large beard and wears traditional Islamic wear. Whether or not he's Democratic is one thing, but to call him and his party a Fundamentalist Islamic organization is a inaccurate.

But there's nothing wrong with Fundamentalist party's in power if they were elected if you actually believe in Democracy. Yes parties will get elected and you won't always like them, this is the same everywhere even in America, that's kind of important in Democracies.

At 7/3/13 03:27 PM, Warforger wrote:

But there's nothing wrong with Fundamentalist party's in power if they were elected if you actually believe in Democracy. Yes parties will get elected and you won't always like them, this is the same everywhere even in America, that's kind of important in Democracies.

well, no, not necessarily anything wrong with it, until the government pulls up the ladder of democracy behind them, writes out a constitution that benefit them and them alone, work towards imposing sharia law, and allowing open persecution within their borders, it's a wonder he lasted this long.

Now we know we'll be keeping a much closer eye on the next chosen leader of Egypt. Let's hope the people can choose wisely now.

At 7/3/13 06:18 PM, tyler2513 wrote: Now we know we'll be keeping a much closer eye on the next chosen leader of Egypt. Let's hope the people can choose wisely now.

Assuming they get to elect their leader this time around. Egypt's history of military coups isn't exactly a bastion of democracy at work.

That said, if there are free and fair elections, does anyone think El-Baradei will run this time?

At 7/3/13 10:11 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: well according to some people the US better get into egypt just like they want to in syria.

what bullshit is this?

America has already backed the Egyptian army with 1.3 billion dollars.

the dream of a secular constitution and a free Egypt crushed by the 100% chance of another American puppet dictator.

At 7/4/13 01:27 PM, Spretznaz wrote:

At 7/4/13 11:29 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: Well more I been outed by the military.

Yup, looks like it's official. He's under house arrest with his cabinet being systematically rounded up. Also who the fuck is Adly Mansour?

Apparently he's Egypt's equivalent of the chief justice of the Supreme Court. At least that's what I gathered from Wikipedia.

There is another factor in these protests: an economic factor. Most of the foreign investment had been divested from Egypt and no tourist would dare to enter a country plagued by protests, meaning that Egyptians involved in that industry had a hard time.

Funny part is, Morsi would still be president if he didn't try to consolidate power for himself. Problem is, in civilizations like Egypt, Venezuela, and such, politicians try to entrench themselves in to the point there is no way to legally pry them out of office, even if the population WANTED to. Luckily Egypt's military is its own entity and is effectively over the government, but apparently refuses to run the country itself, which shows a massive amount of restraint.

It wouldn't be hard for the head of Egypt's military to seize power for themselves. Of course, if you have the ultimate power, the power to dethrone a king, what more power can you possibly want?

At least Egyptians can rest easy knowing the government can't use the military against its people because the military will just turn on the government instead. Too bad places like Venezuela and Best Korea can't say the same.

The pro Morsi crowd:

"How dare you depose our democratically elected dictator?!"

I don't think it makes too much of a difference who runs the country at this point. Egypt is fucked.

At 7/7/13 11:55 PM, Feoric wrote: I don't think it makes too much of a difference who runs the country at this point. Egypt is fucked.

let it burn. maybe when the fire settles the Fundamental Islamist crowd will be reduced to insignificance. The military's ouster of Morsi is a encouraging sign that the military doesn't subscribe to the Islamist notion of religious based war.