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Wendy Davis filibustered a new abortion bill to death in Texas. The bill would have banned abortions after 20 weeks and would have closed all but 5 abortion clinics.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/26/texas-abortion-bill _n_3501005.html

Texas is sweet yall! ARs and abortions!

At 6/26/13 02:29 PM, Profanity wrote: I fought hard not to smile, and it turned into a devil's grin..

I'm all for abortions, it's better than a child being abused and/or neglected by parents that don't want them, also abortions sometimes leaves the woman infertile, which means it's also doing Darwin's work.

At 6/26/13 02:29 PM, Profanity wrote: I fought hard not to smile, and it turned into a devil's grin..

Because it's just so unreasonable to ban abortions at a point where individuals have been born and survive.

How dare viability which is determined by medical technology actually shift with that technology.

Typical western cry baby bullshit, lol

What is really weird is that they force ultrasounds for people getting abortions.

Transvaginal ultrasounds require a practitioner to shove a transducer up into a woman's body. Ultrasound also can cause brain damage.

At 6/26/13 04:40 PM, Gramiscus wrote: What is really weird is that they force ultrasounds for people getting abortions.

Transvaginal ultrasounds require a practitioner to shove a transducer up into a woman's body. Ultrasound also can cause brain damage.

Even though I'm against forced ultrasounds, I've always considered it rather funny that the same people who are going in for an abortion procedure are going to simultaneously complain about the "Invasive-ness" of an ultrasound.

At 6/26/13 09:17 PM, hecticjon wrote: oh no u didnt

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/26/politics/texas-abortion-bill/i ndex.html

fuck perry

"'In Texas, we value all life,' Gov. Perry TX. Said on the eve of the state's 500th execution."
Said on the eve of the state's 500th execution.
the state's 500th execution.
500th execution.
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At 6/26/13 02:37 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 6/26/13 02:29 PM, Profanity wrote: I fought hard not to smile, and it turned into a devil's grin..

I'm all for abortions, it's better than a child being abused and/or neglected by parents that don't want them, also abortions sometimes leaves the woman infertile, which means it's also doing Darwin's work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk6gOeggViw

At 6/26/13 02:37 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 6/26/13 02:29 PM, Profanity wrote: I fought hard not to smile, and it turned into a devil's grin..

I'm all for abortions, it's better than a child being abused and/or neglected by parents that don't want them, also abortions sometimes leaves the woman infertile, which means it's also doing Darwin's work.

People seem to ignore the fact that adoption is always an option...

I thought people were going to make jokes about how it should have been an abortion bill that was aborted.

I was fascinated to find out that it really was. At least they didn't criminalize it, like with prostitution. Now that I think about it, prostitution would probably be more favorable to legalize.

At 7/7/13 05:25 AM, lilfozzy wrote: People seem to ignore the fact that adoption is always an option...

Not always, most adoptive parents have a very particular idea in mind as to what they want in a adoptee (which is usually white, and an infant). This also ignores cases in which abortion may in fact be the only viable option:

Fetus is not viable and poses a health risk to the mother.

Fetus may be viable, but the mother will die if she brings the child to term.

I agree abortion should be a last resort, should never be used as birth control, and only the most responsible of dr.s should be involved in or allowed to do it. I don't think on an issue like this you can be "always for" or "always against".

At 7/2/13 04:36 AM, Freaki-boy92 wrote:

"'In Texas, we value all life,' Gov. Perry TX. Said on the eve of the state's 500th execution."
Said on the eve of the state's 500th execution.
the state's 500th execution.
500th execution.

You only get executed for murder. the criminal scum got the due punishment for being a murderous little prick.

At 7/7/13 08:35 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:

I agree abortion should be a last resort, should never be used as birth control, and only the most responsible of dr.s should be involved in or allowed to do it. I don't think on an issue like this you can be "always for" or "always against".

You would figure that would be the case. Problem is you got 2 sock puppets arguing with each other to entertain a crowd of children. Neither one is going to compromise with the other as long as the children are entertained by the bickering and keep putting pennies in the coin jar on the table.

At 7/13/13 04:10 PM, hecticjon wrote:

i'm not about to leak the general forum's informed and rational method of debate here, so i'll just say anyone who goes against the left's ideals are wrong and ignorant.

At 7/7/13 08:35 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: I don't think on an issue like this you can be "always for" or "always against".

;;;
Personally I do believe there is a case to be made where no one but women should be involved in the debate & the decision.
This subject IMO is completely outside of a man ( men's) right to have any say.
It is & always has been a woman's condition & I truly believe women should be the ones to decide it -period-

I have no problem with male doctors trained to do the procedure. But the decisions to its conditions to allow it, all of the technical conditions/parameters etc. should be made by women. Because they are directly & physically affected . So no man or group of men should be able to ban something that can never happen to them, is impossible for them to experience & is completely outside their experience .

I know this position isn't popular. But I personally as a man believe this is something that women deserve final say on . The days of women being chattel , & having to do what men say in this part of the world are over & its IMO important that we work to making that true everywhere on the planet. Taking the legal safe abortion away from women will not stop it from happening, it will simply put more women in harms way.

At 7/13/13 06:53 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

Personally I do believe there is a case to be made where no one but women should be involved in the debate & the decision.
This subject IMO is completely outside of a man ( men's) right to have any say.

Because... fuck fetal biology.

It's all about how a woman "feels."

At 7/13/13 10:14 PM, Memorize wrote: Because... fuck fetal biology.

It's all about how a woman "feels."

Because... Fuck the fact that this is an issue involving the current and future health of women and only women.

It's all about completely unsubstantiated religious "psy-ense".

At 6/26/13 06:46 PM, Ceratisa wrote:

Even though I'm against forced ultrasounds, I've always considered it rather funny that the same people who are going in for an abortion procedure are going to simultaneously complain about the "Invasive-ness" of an ultrasound.

Well the entire point is an attempt to force people to rethink their decision, one that was hopefully already very difficult.

Seriously, if they're there, then they've almost certainly already thought long and hard about it. Guilt tripping them doesn't help.

At 7/14/13 01:45 AM, stevenman36 wrote:

Lol

Lol indeed. A fucking moron coming to join us in the political forum. I wonder how long you'll last.

At 7/14/13 12:39 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

Because... Fuck the fact that this is an issue involving the current and future health of women and only women.

Non slave owners shouldn't have a say in a slave owner's property.

Gee, I wonder which is more scientific route...

Basing our policy on abortion just on who it ultimately effects "more"
or...
The biological aspects of a fetus and whether or not that demonstrates an independent entity capable of being provided lawful protection.

But FUCK THAT! It's all about how we FEEL!

I bet you're one of those people who would count killing a pregnant woman as a double homicide despite just telling everyone that a fetus isn't a person.

Oh right... it's about how she "feels" cuz fuck science!

It's all about completely unsubstantiated religious "psy-ense".

Right.

Because if there's one thing I'm known for around here, it's my unbridled adherence to religious thought, what with my positions on supporting gay marriage, legalizing all drugs and prostitution.

At 7/13/13 04:31 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 7/2/13 04:36 AM, Freaki-boy92 wrote:

"'In Texas, we value all life,' Gov. Perry TX. Said on the eve of the state's 500th execution."
Said on the eve of the state's 500th execution.
the state's 500th execution.
500th execution.

You only get executed for murder. the criminal scum got the due punishment for being a murderous little prick.

he said "value all life" which implies he's either against the death penalty or a hypocrite
why not give a murderer a fate worse than death?

At 7/13/13 09:37 PM, stevenman36 wrote:

so i'll just say anyone who thinks this isn't a badly veiled attempt to take away the rights of women are wrong and ignorant.

No... to the Pro lifers, it isn't a matter of gender. If a guy was the one who gave birth instead, they'd be doing the same thing. This isn't about any of that bullshit for them, it's about what they feel is right and wrong, and they feel it is wrong, boy or girl.

It really isn't that hard to understand. I don't know why you guys always pull that card.

But, you see, it is a matter of gender.

As part of the christian ethos, there is an intrinsic & implied gender inequality wherein men are obligated to rule over subservient women -- or at least, this is how christianity is interpreted in large swaths of the rural southern US. This isn't simply an aspirational goal for adherents to strive for; it's a command from on high for one gender to rule over the other.

Pro-lifers may claim that their primary reason for opposing abortion is their belief that it is killing a proto-human being, and this may be the case for some of them. But the fact remains that many of the most visible opponents of abortion are men who adhere to that traditionalist southern brand of evangelical christianity. And tied up in that same belief system is the notion of gender superiorty.

Limiting abortions is an awfully convenient way to exert control over women. It would be hard to argue that that isn't to some extent a goal of legislation like this.

At 7/22/13 04:34 PM, Freaki-boy92 wrote: he said "value all life" which implies he's either against the death penalty or a hypocrite
why not give a murderer a fate worse than death?

Duh sanctity of life!
* pulls switch

let the killing of children continue!

At 7/24/13 08:18 PM, Mechwarrior300 wrote: let the killing of children continue!

A non-viable fetus is only human by it's DNA. It's hardly a child.

At 7/24/13 08:18 PM, Mechwarrior300 wrote: let the killing of children continue!

Holy hyperbole, Batman!

I think the Chinese have the right idea about abortion. The government should forcibly tear the child from the loins of the poor to prevent the growth of a parasitic lower caste. I bet that gives everyone a knot in their stomach, doesn't it?
As far as the legality of abortion clinics, I think that should really be between a doctor and their patient, just like a marriage should be between a couple and their pastor, and so on and so forth. Let they who have the power exercise their ability to put it into play. Do as thou wilt. We need someone to run for office on that platform. They'll have my vote.

let the killing of children continue! this is america home of technicalities!

At 7/24/13 11:45 PM, Mechwarrior300 wrote: let the killing of children continue! this is america home of technicalities!

Dat rhetoric. Are you theKlown's alt?

At 7/24/13 09:31 PM, TacoMilagroIII wrote: I think the Chinese have the right idea about abortion. The government should forcibly tear the child from the loins of the poor to prevent the growth of a parasitic lower caste. I bet that gives everyone a knot in their stomach, doesn't it?

That's not what the One Child Policy was. In fact it encouraged population growth in the agricultural sector because that population was stagnating leading for the agricultural sector of the economy to stagnate. What the One Child Policy was, was a whole bunch of incentives to have one child. This included things like reducing pension pay or increasing taxes if they had more than one child. There was no forced abortion or the police coming in and taking excess children away.

I always here them talk about woman's right to choice. Should we make things equal?
If women can get abortions for children they don't want shouldn't men be able to "legally" abort the child.

Should a man have to pay for a child he did not want and the woman had it anyways? I mean if we give her the right how about him.

If abortions can be used as birth control then men should be able to do a "pro choice" legal abortion where they don't have to legally care for the child, no child support or anything.

That would even the playing field.

At 7/24/13 08:46 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 7/24/13 08:18 PM, Mechwarrior300 wrote: let the killing of children continue!

A non-viable fetus is only human by it's DNA. It's hardly a child.

An adult isn't a child either. An adult is also physically and biologically developed than a child as well while also having the capacity to contribute far more to society than a child.

So considering a fetus is merely an earlier stage of development of the same human individual, just as a child is from an adult; and considering society weeps more over the death of a less capable, less biologically developed child over a more developed adult... it has me increasingly amused at how a certain class of humanity would designate another class of humanity as "not" or "less" human as an attempt to justify their killing of said class out of convenience.

Especially considering how humankind isn't anything special to begin with. I guess it just has to do with people, including you, naively believing you're anything special.