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Love is right that people use bad words because they are bad. That's fine. The usage of hateful words in speech is lazy, but not the main reason I have an opinion on this topic. The biggest irk I have are those who claim that because it subjectively doesn't bother them that the word is no longer bad and those who still think it is are wrong for thinking so.

Use bad words all you want. But at least have the honesty and guts to own up to what you are doing.

One thing I never understood is that people say that only black people have the right to say "n***er", but people are allowed to say f**k and it isn't considered as offensive. Wouldn't only people who have had sex be able to say f**k? Is it offensive to virgins? BTW, that's my joke and if I ever become a comedian, I'm the one who came up with it!

At 6/8/13 11:40 AM, Ericho wrote: One thing I never understood is that people say that only black people have the right to say "n***er", but people are allowed to say f**k and it isn't considered as offensive. Wouldn't only people who have had sex be able to say f**k? Is it offensive to virgins? BTW, that's my joke and if I ever become a comedian, I'm the one who came up with it!

My question to you is, why do you want to say n****r so much? Why can't you just switch your attention to "spoon" and say that?

At 6/11/13 07:23 PM, Poniiboi wrote: My question to you is, why do you want to say n****r so much? Why can't you just switch your attention to "spoon" and say that?

Are you saying black people are like spoons: they only exist to serve sloppy white people?

I think most of you are missing the point. Words are irrelvent in themselves as a chair is irrelvent as in itself. Words are insturments on putting forth a certain context. As my chair is relvent of putting down my ass. Words are the means of communication, they are not the source of what is communcating. Words are real. Words pass concepts and realities of other people and the world. They release the concepts in your mind. Words are real in the mind of men and women as the immaterial things in the our minds extend out into the world. Decontructing words as an invention of human civilations due to the lack of "fundemental nature" doesn't cancels it from existing. Subjectivity impacts the words just as the objective world impacts us. Do not ignore it's existence.

The phrase "It's just words" eliminates the means to be in assoication with that person. Being deaf masks the problem from reaching, but doesn't solve the source . Not listening doesn't destroy the evil in the hearts of men. Closing your ears ignores them. Turn off your television if you don't like hearing the news. That's basically what you're doing.

Note: I am not taking sides on whatever or not to ban offensive words. I am only stating a fact.

At 6/11/13 09:16 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 6/11/13 07:23 PM, Poniiboi wrote: My question to you is, why do you want to say n****r so much? Why can't you just switch your attention to "spoon" and say that?

Are you saying black people are like spoons: they only exist to serve sloppy white people?

LOL

At 5/30/13 09:46 PM, Flerovium wrote:

At 5/30/13 09:24 PM, Camarohusky wrote: In short, you'd rather choose to demena homosexuals by using a word that is, and has been for a long time, referring to them in order to demean your friends, instead of taking the extra syllable it takes to call them a loser?

Best argument I've seen so far.
This isn't worth debating really, I just kind of wanted to see who'd be bigoted enough to say that they're justified in using words like faggot.

It's not a matter of bigotry when I'm calling a person who I know has had sex with a female has never once had any inkling to do so with a male a faggot.

God this is the problem, you hear the word and immediately associate to mean that's my intent, look whether we like it or not word's meaning change even if in the dictionary it's definition is something else.

I hate, fucking hate it when people use literally other than it's text book definition, but now it's even allowed by the dictionary to be used as a stronger form of really, or very, and I can argue all I want but at the end of the day the meaning of a word depends on the people, and right now the people choose it to mean very.

That being said the same is for faggot, since third grade the words meaning for me and my circle of friends and shit for practically my whole school girls and even kids who later were gay, to call such an outcast as a faggot, I honestly don't know what you want from me at this point.

That because a word was used differently and still has (a newfound mind you) meaning as a slur, we should ban it's use?

Why do you think white people don't give a shit when they're called 'cracker', or red-heads when they're called 'gingers', because those words have no impact on them so long as you allow it.

At 6/11/13 09:16 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 6/11/13 07:23 PM, Poniiboi wrote: My question to you is, why do you want to say n****r so much? Why can't you just switch your attention to "spoon" and say that?

Are you saying black people are like spoons: they only exist to serve sloppy white people?

Holy shit, at this point are trying to just take offense to anything. And for the record the word you're looking for is spook, not once In my life have I ever heard anyone refer to a black individual as a 'spoon'.

This is like that Tosh.0 skit where he just says a bunch of arbitrary words the group of diverse individuals (there is that better than "minorities" which only enhance how much of a despicable bigot I suddenly am) and they all immediately start finding offense for common everyday words because they're that insecure.

I mean for fuck's sake I think at one point he said dash, and surprisingly the latino among them took it to mean as a person who sprints across borders, when it was supposed to be a clear insult to the asian woman.

At 6/12/13 07:54 PM, Lumber-Jax12 wrote: It's not a matter of bigotry when I'm calling a person who I know has had sex with a female has never once had any inkling to do so with a male a faggot.
God this is the problem, you hear the word and immediately associate to mean that's my intent, look whether we like it or not word's meaning change even if in the dictionary it's definition is something else.

You're missing the point. Nobody here thinks you're referring to people as gay when you use faggot.

The issue that people take, as I have mentioned before, is when people stupidly think "because I use it in a different way, there is no valid reason for anyone to dislike my use of the word." That's bullshit and you know it. Just because you don't care doesn't mean the word isn't a very loaded word. The word will remain loaded until society as a whole AND the group with whom the word holds so much hatred deems it unloaded. Denying the harm of the word is denying that the target people have been treated poorly.

You try to associated words like "ginger" and "cracker" thinking that the mere tying of a word to a group is what makes it bad. That's not how this works. In no time in US history have white people or red heads felt anything remote to the discrimination others have felt. When they have felt discrimination, they felt it whilst having all the s ocietal power and back up. In short neither of those two words have been loaded and are about as hatefilled "chair" and "bucket".

To sum this all up, nobody gives two shits what you think about the word or why you are using it, or even the context. You use a hateful word, and the very least you could do is acknowledge the word you use as such.

Okay and I respect you and your views, but I don't understand why you were first to call me out as a bigot when I don't believe I've ever done so to you on any of the other threads we've argued, and yes I know I'm not very active in this thread, but I just don't spend as much time here as I do with other things.

My big point in all of this, is that a word has baggage, that's the purpose of them, I'm not gonna say faggot doesn't mean a gay man/woman (as a slur) in the right text, it can.

And again I can't stress this enough, I'm not going up to gay men I know and calling them such, that's being a dick. Nor would I go up to a black man and calling him N--.

But I will go up to a black friend once in a while and say "whad up my n--" in a joking way. Does that mean I view him as such no, I know it's a bad word, just as I know asshole is or douchebag is, so does that mean when I call my friends that when they're messing with me I mean it with a burning passion? No, I'm joking.

However the words in question are Fag and Gay, and I'm sorry but again where and more importantly when I grew up not only did we not know any gays, because we werent sexually cognizant in the first place to even understand the "true" definition of the word, but even when they grew up and realized they were gay, they too used the word before to mean it as lame or a loser.

And some of them still do use it in that way, and yes If you called them a fag solely because they're gay in that context they get upset, but if you as I have talked to them and then they say I'm going to (example) the play later because Im stage techs I said "wow that's gay", this kid's reply "yea I know"

End of conversation I don't know what else to say at this point, the meaning was interpreted as something else, in the manner I wanted it to be and not as a slur.

At 6/12/13 08:02 PM, Lumber-Jax12 wrote: Holy shit, at this point are trying to just take offense to anything. And for the record the word you're looking for is spook, not once In my life have I ever heard anyone refer to a black individual as a 'spoon'.

Umm, no, you're missing the friggin point, genius. My question was why is the n word so in demand rather than a common word like "spoon." Like, why is it that people want to say it so badly instead of wanting to say "spoon" badly.

I think you have some unresolved issues, cuz it seems like your mind always comes back to racial slurs. Might wanna get that checked out.

You're one to talk of issues considering I was replying to husky not you, the fact that you immediately thought I was replying to you, as if I'd waste time trying to dialogue with a lunatic, shows some minor level of paranoia, or at the least some level of attention you think should be bestowed on you.

You forget you're the one with a four page thread, with everyone both on the left and right of the political spectrum mind you, calling you insane.

I mean at that point can you even still claim "we're the ones whose crazy".

If the whole fucking village is crying wolf, I'm going to tend to believe them over the boy crying invisible fairy.