KeyStone Pipeline Vote!

[Tony-DarkGrave]

The Northern Route Approval Act has successfully passed through three House committees, the most recent being the Transportation Committee with a 33-24 vote, and will be moving to the full House this Wednesday.

TransCanada Corp. applied for a Presidential Permit to build the Keystone Pipeline, which would carry tar sands oil from Canada to Gulf Cost of Texas refineries, in September of 2008, and then again, after rerouting the prospective pipeline, in May of 2011. President Obama remained conveniently indecisive on whether or not to go forward with building during the 2012 election season, and has delayed his conclusion on the pipeline to review its route. It has been predicted that his awaited decision will be pushed back yet again to later this year or even to 2014.

The Act, however, will eliminate this problem and expedite the entire process by allowing TransCanada Corp. to build without the cross-border permit it would normally require from the President.

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[Tony-DarkGrave]

and the vote is today so if you wanna watch its on CSPAN.

[leanlifter1]

See USA steals Oil from Canada by way of money. USA Steels Oil from the Middle east by way of the Gun. Fuck Americans they can GTFO of my country. If we had a say we would be selling the Americans share of Canadian Oil to China.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 5/22/13 12:41 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: See USA steals Oil from Canada by way of money. USA Steels Oil from the Middle east by way of the Gun. Fuck Americans they can GTFO of my country. If we had a say we would be selling the Americans share of Canadian Oil to China.

U mad? the only cheaper way for canadians to get oil refined easier it would create jobs and cheaper energy sources for both of us.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 5/22/13 01:21 PM, Trillionaire wrote: Please please please please please please please please please please please please please don't let Obama listen to the whack jobs who give half a shit about saving the environment or whatever.

agreed look at the Alaskan Pipeline we have never had a problem with that and it was built in the 70s! so why not have one go through america and canada? there are no enviromental issues what so ever, but obama wants to offshore drill (BP spill anyone?) and explore the fragile shores of alaska.

[Ceratisa]

At 5/22/13 01:26 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 5/22/13 01:21 PM, Trillionaire wrote: Please please please please please please please please please please please please please don't let Obama listen to the whack jobs who give half a shit about saving the environment or whatever.

agreed look at the Alaskan Pipeline we have never had a problem with that and it was built in the 70s! so why not have one go through america and canada? there are no enviromental issues what so ever, but obama wants to offshore drill (BP spill anyone?) and explore the fragile shores of alaska.

If I recall correctly when they thought it would disrupt the eco-system, many animals actually liked being around it because it was warm.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 5/22/13 01:40 PM, Ceratisa wrote: If I recall correctly when they thought it would disrupt the eco-system, many animals actually liked being around it because it was warm.

which part are you referring to the oil field or the pipeline?

[Ceratisa]

At 5/22/13 01:45 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 5/22/13 01:40 PM, Ceratisa wrote: If I recall correctly when they thought it would disrupt the eco-system, many animals actually liked being around it because it was warm.

which part are you referring to the oil field or the pipeline?

I believe the pipeline. I can't find it, but I've read articles about them preferring to give birth near it.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 5/22/13 02:01 PM, Ceratisa wrote: I believe the pipeline. I can't find it, but I've read articles about them preferring to give birth near it.

I wouldn't doubt it Alaska in winter is ball freezing cold! even a animal would like to go to something warm if it aint hurting me.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

looks like its going to pass!

[Tony-DarkGrave]

now they're arguing just waiting on the vote. the dems are just bitching about Climate control and usurping Obama.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

looks like it passed and now going through the amendment phase.

[Korriken]

At 5/22/13 04:23 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: now they're arguing just waiting on the vote. the dems are just bitching about Climate control and usurping Obama.

well DUH, they gotta kneel before the special interest groups that fund their campaigns just like any other party.

[Ceratisa]

If they care about carbon emissions they'd green light this, transportation this method is better and cleaner.

[Dawnslayer]

At 5/22/13 10:07 PM, Ceratisa wrote: If they care about carbon emissions they'd green light this, transportation this method is better and cleaner.

Or we could just not take the oil. That sounds good.

[Korriken]

At 5/22/13 11:43 PM, Dawnslayer wrote:

Or we could just not take the oil. That sounds good.

Explain exactly how turning down oil would be a good thing?

[Ceratisa]

At 5/23/13 08:00 AM, Korriken wrote:

At 5/22/13 11:43 PM, Dawnslayer wrote:

Or we could just not take the oil. That sounds good.

Explain exactly how turning down oil would be a good thing?

Cause we can totally just not use it. I mean that is our current situation right? Don't use oil if we don't feel like it.

[Ceratisa]

The world only has one electric car and it 's $60,000 bare bones. That's four to ten times the price average workers pay for cars.

Do electric cars matter when coal and gas power plants provide them power?

[Korriken]

At 5/23/13 10:16 AM, Ceratisa wrote:

Do electric cars matter when coal and gas power plants provide them power?

that's the joke.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

IT PASSED!

let that Canadian crude flowin!

[Tony-DarkGrave]

RED STATE DEMS JUMPING SHIP!

So my ND Dem Senator not only Vetoed the Gun Bill those fucktard liberals in the senate proposed she is supporting the Keystone Pipeline Bill when it goes to the Senate! and to think when she got elected last cycle she got a hug from Obaawma,
good move though since the Oil fields out here in North Dakota are thriving now they can just ship it to the pipeline with the Canadian stuff too!

[Ceratisa]

At 5/23/13 04:17 PM, Profanity wrote:

At 5/23/13 11:10 AM, Korriken wrote:

At 5/23/13 10:16 AM, Ceratisa wrote:

Do electric cars matter when coal and gas power plants provide them power?

that's the joke.

You're a joke.

Although Tesla vehicles can be charged from any wall outlet, and much of the US grid is charged from Wind Turbine, Solar Arrays, and Nuclear Fission. Tesla Power Stations are solar.

Nuclear and Solar Power are the way of the future. Gas engines are hilariously weak by comparison.

According to an article dated the 28th
http://www.slashgear.com/tesla-aims-for-low-cost-electric-ca rs-as-ceo-discusses-climate-change-28283910/
The only current production model is just over $60,000. I don't think that is within budget for most Americans.

[Korriken]

At 5/23/13 04:17 PM, Profanity wrote:

You're a joke.

not as much as you may think.

Although Tesla vehicles can be charged from any wall outlet, and much of the US grid is charged from Wind Turbine, Solar Arrays, and Nuclear Fission. Tesla Power Stations are solar.

Nuclear and Solar Power are the way of the future. Gas engines are hilariously weak by comparison.

nuclear powered car? an accident would be... terrible. Solar powered cars however would be amazing except for on cloudy days.

[Camarohusky]

At 5/29/13 11:04 AM, Ceratisa wrote: According to an article dated the 28th
http://www.slashgear.com/tesla-aims-for-low-cost-electric-ca rs-as-ceo-discusses-climate-change-28283910/
The only current production model is just over $60,000. I don't think that is within budget for most Americans.

But if enough people buy it at $60K, an economy of scale can arise thus lowering the price.

At 5/29/13 02:48 PM, Korriken wrote: not as much as you may think.

Fuckin' China. Is there anything they cannot fuck up?

nuclear powered car? an accident would be... terrible.

Not necessarily. My guess is that if nuclear power were ever used for cars it would be encased in a compartment similar to the black box on an airplane which would likely mean that only the most catastrophic accidents would lead to any leakage. What I would be more worried about in this case is poor mechanic work (either by a machanic not prepared to work with the aparatus, or by the owner), defects in construction, and removal and illicit sale of the nuclear matrial.

Solar powered cars however would be amazing except for on cloudy days.

Most solar power now can work even on a cloudy day, as there is still a very significant amount of solar energy that makes it through clouds (enough to give a sunburn). The problem is that solar power requires a large amount of space for a relatiely low amount of output. The currently made solar cars operate worse than smartcars and have to have a large footprint in order just to do that. Until solar power can be significantly miniaturized it will never be feasible as a primary power source for cars. Now, to use it as a supplement, by slapping a 1'x1' phovoltaic panel on every car, might be a good way to assist, but that's about it.

I wonder if anyone has fiddled with the idea of attacing a wind power mechanism to the car to act as a second alternator. Would the drag caused end up negating the amount of energy created?

[morefngdbs]

At 5/29/13 05:33 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

Solar powered cars however would be amazing except for on cloudy days.

Most solar power now can work even on a cloudy day,by slapping a 1'x1' phovoltaic panel on every car, might be a good way to assist, but that's about it.

Have you read any of the articles on the new process of solar panels being 'painted' on ?
Seems if a cars entire paintjob was the solar panel, that would be much better than strapping/bolting/welding on panels .

I wonder if anyone has fiddled with the idea of attacing a wind power mechanism to the car to act as a second alternator. Would the drag caused end up negating the amount of energy created?

I don't know about cars Camarohusky , but I have a co worker who has 2 windmills on his sail boat, they provide the charging for his battery system & that powers up everything for his boats electrical system, including the bilge pump(s) & he says it has worked flawlessly.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

bah the only way for alternative energy isn't solar or wind thats just stupid its probably going to be geothermal and Fusion.

now lets keep this on topic and talk about the pipeline.

[Camarohusky]

At 5/30/13 03:36 PM, morefngdbs wrote: Have you read any of the articles on the new process of solar panels being 'painted' on ?
Seems if a cars entire paintjob was the solar panel, that would be much better than strapping/bolting/welding on panels .

Sounds like a good idea, but I still doubt that it would generate enough power to run a car.

I don't know about cars Camarohusky , but I have a co worker who has 2 windmills on his sail boat, they provide the charging for his battery system & that powers up everything for his boats electrical system, including the bilge pump(s) & he says it has worked flawlessly.

There's a significant difference between a sailboat and a self propelled vehicle. The sailboat is using outside energy to get its motion, whereas the car uses its own energy to create motion. On the sailboat a bit of drag may slow the boat down but you won't be using any of the boat's energy, thus a windmill on a boat will always resultin a net gain of power. In a self propelled vehicle the drag will end up wasting power from the vehicle, and likely will end up wasting more power than the windmill puts back in, thus resulting in a likely net loss of power.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

this thread is about the keystone pipeline not energy that should be used by cars.