North Korean Political Camps.

[Fisplen]

I've recently remembered about a petition a made a while back to get the UN to address the issue of human rights and such in North Korea , very saddening to hear story's from survivors , which is why I made the Petiton , to get the UN's attention , I realised now I'm active on Newgrounds I'd thought I'll share it with You.
http://www.change.org/petitions/the-un-put-pressure-on-the-d prk-to-close-there-concentration-camps
Sign it if You want. ( I know it looks a bit crappy with 15 views , it was hard trying to get supporters in on this )
And on the subject are there ANY Newgrounders here that has visited North Korea?
Or even still , once LIVED in North Korea?
Anyway tell me what You think of the camps in North Korea , if You want details about it then here's an extract from my description...
" ... , I will tell You more from the '' Lucky '' few who managed to escape from these horrors.

'' If someone goes inside this building, in three months he will be dead or disabled for life. ''

'' One unforgettable image, there were two girls and they were trying to take out a piece of noodle from one polluted water pond where they put the garbage. And one guard kicked the kids into the small pond, and they drowned. The pond was very deep, and I felt really sad about that. ''

'' I saw numerous prisoners killed, especially by beating. I saw one person age between 40 and 50 - heâEUTMs old enough because the average age of prisoner is between 40-50 - he was working in brick factory. And as he was older he was moving slowly, he was not working well. And the team master tramped on his loin, and the bone was broken. He was hit by an iron rod that is used to start vehicle engines, and I heard the next day he died. ''

Anyway also do You think it's the Wests job to intervene in things like this? Or should we keep our hands out of other country's buisiness.
Tell me what You think.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

Lnot the Wests problem North Korea will settle itself by either revolution or war. Until then not our problem.

[Warforger]

I'm pretty sure the UN has, it's just they haven't been able to do anything beyond sanctions. The problem then is that these sanctions often cut off food to North Korea, so they become even more miserable and the actual regime couldn't care less.

[buk-lau]

Indeed a very nice. It is also important to note that it's prison owned by the United States, that prison in Cuba. It is to stop the human rights consciousness.

[Fisplen]

At 5/13/13 12:52 PM, buk-lau wrote: Indeed a very nice. It is also important to note that it's prison owned by the United States, that prison in Cuba. It is to stop the human rights consciousness.

I don't understand what You're saying.
'' Indeed a very nice.'' ???

[Warforger]

At 5/13/13 04:10 PM, Fisplen wrote: I don't understand what You're saying.
'' Indeed a very nice.'' ???

He appears to be Korean given his signature so that may be why his literacy in English isn't very high (not that all Koreans are difficult to understand in English anyway). I guess what he's trying to talk about is Guantanamo and that the US should not act like it's not being hypocritical.

[Fisplen]

He appears to be Korean given his signature so that may be why his literacy in English isn't very high (not that all Koreans are difficult to understand in English anyway). I guess what he's trying to talk about is Guantanamo and that the US should not act like it's not being hypocritical.

Ahh that makes sense.
But I'm not saying it's our job to do something about it , I'm saying we should get this in the light and people aware of what going on.

[Fisplen]

And yes it needs to be more well-known that North Korea (and by extension, all communist nations) are failing states.

What about China? They seem to be catching up with the US and in 20 years or so I'm not surprised if they become another superpower altogether.

[Lumber-Jax12]

Regardless of Buk-tooth's nationality, he's still trying to compare North Korean Labor camp's to a a detention facility for terrorists, and while granted some may not be actual terrorists, I'd imagine you'd have to do something pretty significant to find yourself in that hell hole.

I mean they're not going to snag a man off the streets and through him in gitmo for being a terrorist.

Unlike in the good ol' Hermit Kingdom where they send people to work in the tundra's of Siberia with the threat of death for both them and their families.

[Fisplen]

Unlike in the good ol' Hermit Kingdom where they send people to work in the tundra's of Siberia with the threat of death for both them and their families.

Have You watched Vice by any chance? :)

[Lumber-Jax12]

At 5/14/13 02:34 PM, Fisplen wrote:

Unlike in the good ol' Hermit Kingdom where they send people to work in the tundra's of Siberia with the threat of death for both them and their families.

Have You watched Vice by any chance? :)

maybe.....

[Poniiboi]

The only reason North Korea is on the news is so people can say about their own governments stripping them of their rights, "At Least it's not THAT bad."

[Warforger]

At 5/14/13 03:37 AM, Trillionaire wrote: He's not Korean.

North Koreans wouldn't be on Newgrounds if they had illegal Internet access. South Koreans who would use English websites speak English.

To begin with the signature he has has Korean text if I've ever seen it. Otherwise looking at his profile he says his name is Bak Gu Lau Rawoogwa. I looked up Bak Gu and it corresponded to a place in South Korea.

And it may amaze you, but not all people in every country have the same proficiency in English.

And yes it needs to be more well-known that North Korea (and by extension, all communist nations) are failing states.

Not necesarily. North Korea isn't a textbook Communist nation, in comparison to past Communist nations they don't even appear to be trying. Most Communist governments after taking power expanded their economies very rapidly, they built tons of infrastructure and heavily built up the economy. Even under Mao who is viewed as a terrible leader after the Great Leap Forward had the economy grow under his watch as well as the population of China double from around 450 million to 900 million. While Stalin murdered many people no one could deny he industrialized the Soviet Union rapidly and made it the machine that would defeat Nazism. Now by comparison North Korea doesn't even have much of an electrical grid. In fact Karl Marx and Fredrich Engels are unknown names in North Korea, perhaps even Lenin and Stalin by extension, the countries devotion to the actual end goals of Communism are laughable. Effectively the country is well a Monarchy, there's no better way to describe it.

[TheMason]

At 5/14/13 11:51 AM, Fisplen wrote:

And yes it needs to be more well-known that North Korea (and by extension, all communist nations) are failing states.

What about China? They seem to be catching up with the US and in 20 years or so I'm not surprised if they become another superpower altogether.

There are some examples that their progress is slowing. They are building entire cities that are completely uninhabited so as to keep people employed. So China has some very big problems to overcome...that their current political system may not be able to address.

[TheMason]

At 5/12/13 07:19 PM, Fisplen wrote: I've recently remembered about a petition a made a while back to get the UN to address the issue of human rights and such in North Korea , very saddening to hear story's from survivors , which is why I made the Petiton , to get the UN's attention , I realised now I'm active on Newgrounds I'd thought I'll share it with You.

I like your enthusiasm on the issue. Unfortunately, doing a petition to the UN is just a feel good exercise that will absolutely zero effect on the situation.

Sadly, the options available that will help the poor souls trapped in this hellish regime are limited. There are ony two:
A: Actively subvert the regime so it collapses and we deal with the massive humanitarian and refugee crisis that follow.
B: Military invasion. We get China and Russia on-board...and go in and take the Kim family out.

See many International Relations scholars (and I am one who shares this view) do not believe that such a thing as 'International Law' truly exists. Sure, it exists in theory...but not in fact. There is no 'World Police' that enforces treaty conditions or the resolutions that come from the UN. Also, since the first Korean War in the 1950s the UN has been shown to be toothless.

So Kim is going to do what Kim wants...without a single concern or shred of attention paid to what anyone in the international community wants.

But do not take this as meaning you cannot do anything....about anything.

* There is the Peace Corps.
* If you are physically fit, there are Civil Affairs jobs in the military. Also, I believe the Green Berets do this type of work more than combat.
* Become a scholar who studies rogue regimes.

Again...you show passion and concern which I find admirable. Just don't become disillusioned when you find out that some high-minded notions about participatory democracy are just feel-good exercises.

And on the subject are there ANY Newgrounders here that has visited North Korea?

When I was stationed in S. Korea I visited the DMZ and we went into one of the diplomatic buildings that straddles the border. So I got to go like 20 ft into the country...does that count?
:)

Or even still , once LIVED in North Korea?
Anyway tell me what You think of the camps in North Korea , if You want details about it then here's an extract from my description...

Ever read The Aquariums of Pyongyang? Very good read. The DPRK regime are a bunch of assholes who deserve to go the way of the Nazis.

[TheMason]

At 5/23/13 08:57 PM, Warforger wrote: To begin with the signature he has has Korean text if I've ever seen it. Otherwise looking at his profile he says his name is Bak Gu Lau Rawoogwa. I looked up Bak Gu and it corresponded to a place in South Korea.

And it may amaze you, but not all people in every country have the same proficiency in English.

As someone who has lived, and did a small amount of teaching English in Korea...I can attest to what you are saying is 100% absolutely true.

Not necesarily. North Korea isn't a textbook Communist nation, in comparison to past Communist nations they don't even appear to be trying. Most Communist governments after taking power expanded their economies very rapidly, they built tons of infrastructure and heavily built up the economy. Even under Mao who is viewed as a terrible leader after the Great Leap Forward had the economy grow under his watch as well as the population of China double from around 450 million to 900 million. While Stalin murdered many people no one could deny he industrialized the Soviet Union rapidly and made it the machine that would defeat Nazism. Now by comparison North Korea doesn't even have much of an electrical grid. In fact Karl Marx and Fredrich Engels are unknown names in North Korea, perhaps even Lenin and Stalin by extension, the countries devotion to the actual end goals of Communism are laughable. Effectively the country is well a Monarchy, there's no better way to describe it.

1) The DPRK DID expand their economy very rapidly. They used aid from the Soviets and the Chinese to build up their industrial base. In fact, they were better off in terms of economics and industry than their Southern counterparts. In the South the Rhee regime took the tactic of slowly developing the Korean populace from peasants to an educated, and industrial populace. The thing is, the South's tactic proved right. Starting in the 1970s the North's economy and tech began to stagnate (like the USSR and their European satellites...China escapes this by growing closer to the West instead of the USSR).

2) That Marx, Engels, Lenin, or Stalin are not really known in the DPRK DOES NOT mean that the country is not Communist nor run according to the philosophy. The thing is the Kim regime appropriated the philosophy as their own. It is a massive case of plagerism. But that is not evidence for the claim that they are not Communist.

3) The only part of your argument that is supported by fact is the notion that the DPRK is a monarchy. This makes them unique amongst Communist nations: they are the only fuedal communist state. So in the end they are the country that most completely abandoned the ideal Marxist society of a 'Dictatorship of the Proletariate' by establishing a ruling dynasty. But then again...Moscow and Beijing were/are not all that willing to turn power over to the now 'liberated' working classes of their countries either. So it is not really that important of a distinction in the end.

:)

[zelda64oot]

here is what we need to do, any poor azz country giving us the middle finger needs to be invaded then: [IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/ic38fq.jpg[/IMG] profit!

[Knis]

At 5/14/13 03:37 AM, Trillionaire wrote:

all communist nations) are failing states.

There's no such thing as a communist state.