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At 5/29/13 08:14 PM, Mexal wrote: From what I've heard, you can't really do much with a History major.

Depends. Depends on what you want to do with it, and also on the level of education in the market where you wish to work.

History does provide numerous skills that benefit in the learning and practice of law, as well in other analysis based careers.

History majors are seen as having good analytical skills and the ability to maneuver many complex situations, but they have not base set of facts or knowledge that is useful in any relevant industry. So they have good intangible value, with little current tangible value, and that can lead them to be left behind for those who already have a base level of competencein the area sought (mostly to business majors). In markets with a high percentage of college graduates, history majors are worth very little, as there will likely be a robust pool of business, economics, and other more practical graduates with the base skillset already there, even if those graduates aren't known to be very creative or good at handling problems. In markets with low levels of college education (midwest, and southeast) the lack of skillset grads means businesses are willing to take the initial hit in order to get someone who is competent in complex thinking.

At 5/29/13 10:53 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 5/29/13 08:14 PM, Mexal wrote: From what I've heard, you can't really do much with a History major.

Depends. Depends on what you want to do with it, and also on the level of education in the market where you wish to work.

History does provide numerous skills that benefit in the learning and practice of law, as well in other analysis based careers.

What you say is true. But if anyone wants to get a History major... they should get a Law degree too.

At 5/30/13 08:54 AM, Mexal wrote: What you say is true. But if anyone wants to get a History major... they should get a Law degree too.

As someone who just got a law degree, I would actually highly discourage this choice right now. Unless you are in the top 10% of your class, or get into the top 10 schools, a law degree has no better job prospects than many other paths. The numbers are showing that approximately 50% of recent law grads are unemployed or underemployed. If you take out the chunk I mentioned above the number jumps up to closer to 60%. 60% of laypeople law graduates are not getting law jobs. The market is far too saturated right now.

At 5/30/13 08:54 AM, Mexal wrote:

At 5/29/13 10:53 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 5/29/13 08:14 PM, Mexal wrote: From what I've heard, you can't really do much with a History major.

Depends. Depends on what you want to do with it, and also on the level of education in the market where you wish to work.

History does provide numerous skills that benefit in the learning and practice of law, as well in other analysis based careers.

What you say is true. But if anyone wants to get a History major... they should get a Law degree too.

I don't think that is true. I don't think, that is, your degree defines your career. These days I believe most employers just want to see you have a degree. Not too much more or too much less. The reason I hold this belief is that if you go on LinkedIn and do a search on History majors or graduates people wind up in all sorts of positions, micro and macro-management of major businesses, workers at Burger King, economists, and top CEO's and executives. The list goes on. Don't think a degree defines your career. Heck, even if you put it into those terms I think you would sound a little stupid or naive at best: that is positing that a degree defines your career.

At 5/30/13 04:30 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 5/30/13 08:54 AM, Mexal wrote: What you say is true. But if anyone wants to get a History major... they should get a Law degree too.

As someone who just got a law degree, I would actually highly discourage this choice right now. Unless you are in the top 10% of your class, or get into the top 10 schools, a law degree has no better job prospects than many other paths. The numbers are showing that approximately 50% of recent law grads are unemployed or underemployed. If you take out the chunk I mentioned above the number jumps up to closer to 60%. 60% of laypeople law graduates are not getting law jobs. The market is far too saturated right now.

Yup. That's why I'm doing Philosophy first as part of an attempt to make myself stand out (and directly work on critical thinking skills).

At 5/31/13 10:54 PM, Profanity wrote:

At 5/31/13 08:47 PM, ArmouredGRIFFON wrote: history, law, philosophy

No one I know would hire a History, Philosophy or Theology major. Unless it's a sales, reception, or some secretary position... or maybe teaching... People don't value that knowÃ...'edge highly. They're bullshit degrees.

Law can actually serve you well in general, even if you don't pass the bar right away. If you still have a choice, go with a Science, Business, Economics, Engineering, or Math.

That's hilarious. You must not have any idea what a Philosophy student actually does. Philosophy is nothing like History or Theology. In fact the Science students are out of luck these days: the industry has gone to waste for majors who want to go into jobs in relation to their field. I know: most of my cousins have masters and doctorates in physics and chemical engineering and the like. So in the real world humanities students in the current job-market have the advantage these days: their subject isn't vocational giving them at least some of them i.e. the Philosophy students whose course is entirely based on analyzing arguments and doing critical thinking something a little more to sell.

There are some assumptions incorporated up there but what the hay, I'm on the internet. The main point is that you don't have a complete intellectual picture of what 'is'. As far as I'm concerned you could use some philosophy classes yourself: "Law can actually serve you well in general, even if you don't pass the bar right away. If you still have a choice, go with a Science, Business, Economics, Engineering, or Math." "People don't value that knowÃ...'edge highly. They're bullshit degrees". What you said (at least to me) demonstrates you don't really seem to know how to think for yourself or listen to the word of mouth of other persons who in fact think for themselves and reach that position of thought, because you didn't say anything or give me any independent reason to believe "they're bullshit degrees".

More to the point they are extremely difficult degrees. I'm more of a mathematician than a philosopher. I generally major in logic classes and philosophy of science classes. Writing an argument, which is objective and true in the external world, is harder than just remembering a bunch of equations I guarantee it; and it is that skill of critical thinking which is useful to employers. You know that term "think like a lawyer", that is the semantic equivalent to saying "think like any novice humanity student whom of which can create reasons which give independent traction to believe that conclusions (or conclusion 'x') are (is) true" You engage your brain differently: making your own evaluations and creative compromises (nuances) in what is your own argument.

Doing philosophy is (semantically) the same as saying you are doing the science of argument. Those skills are practiced in a range of other humanity disciplines. Nuff said.

Not withstanding the aforementioned, please take your ad-hominem to the general forum.

I just finished my sophomore year of college. I am in the joint-BA/JD program here at my campus, getting a BA in Political Science and a JD in law. It's a 5 years program...my BA will be from UConn and my JD will be awarded from Yale.

For the JD part, basically I take a few online classes during the regular semesters, then during the summer I go over to Yale University (the program partner) for June and July to take a crap load of intensive law school courses. And due to the numbers of credits I need to get a law degree (unless I overburden myself with online ones), I pretty much have to do it every summers until I graduate. And I'm also required to be in a mock trial class for at least 1 semester and take 2 internships with related organizations/companies sometime before I graduate.

So my education is currently pending...here's hoping for the best in 3 more years.

At 6/1/13 09:18 AM, TracyJacksonTAW wrote: I just finished my sophomore year of college. I am in the joint-BA/JD program here at my campus, getting a BA in Political Science and a JD in law. It's a 5 years program...my BA will be from UConn and my JD will be awarded from Yale.

I would suggest very much investing yourself in the internships and learning life before trying to break into the legal field. There is nothing that new attorneys hate more than a life-n00b K-JD law graduate. Seeing as about, maybe 10-15% of what I learned in law school has ANY bearing on the actual practice of law, whereas the three years I worked between undergrad and law school gave me a great of perspective and groundedness, you're going to have to watch out for the highly likely possibility you'll be an academic book worm attorney who is good for nothing but hitting keys on a keyboard and really annoying the older guys.

K-JDs are very common, so it's not all too bad, but trying to make sure you're an adult before you start trying to claim you're an attorney. Most K-JDs I know seem to skip that step.

Oh and tip to save you lots fo grief: (in caps because so many are too stupid to understand) UNLESS THE DISCUSSION CALLS FOR YOU TO SPLIT HAIRS, DON'T!!! You'll keep the other students from hating you.

I graduated high school in 2007 at Arnold High School in Panama City, USA. I then went to Gulf Coast Community College and then to regular college and earned a bachelor's degree in arts. I am currently working for a master's degree in Communication at FSU. I looked for a lot of jobs once, so I am quite aware of what you have to say.

you can get a job in finance industry even with an english degree if you know some accounting and/or have some professional qualifications (e.g. CPA)

a physics major can end up being a journalist.

what you are majoring in is not very important. as long as you can demonstrate you have the necessary skills or qualifications for the job, it is fine.

they will probably give you an 'aptitude test' in the interview anyway if strong analytical skills are needed.

Diploma from high school in 2005. Joined a community college years later. I couldn't find a science that suits me. So working on Assoicates in Mathematics (still liking them logical complication problems). Might minor in philosophy for the enjoying critical thoughs, else a minor in engineering or some science.

I'll earn my degree in science by the end of fall. Still wondering if there is anything else I'll love in this world. GOD DAMN YOU PREFECTIONIST UNCERTAIN MIND!

At 6/5/13 10:13 PM, Tankdown wrote: Diploma from high school in 2005. Joined a community college years later. I couldn't find a science that suits me. So working on Assoicates in Mathematics (still liking them logical complication problems). Might minor in philosophy for the enjoying critical thoughs, else a minor in engineering or some science.

I'll earn my degree in science by the end of fall. Still wondering if there is anything else I'll love in this world. GOD DAMN YOU PREFECTIONIST UNCERTAIN MIND!

Personally out of the two I'd major in engineering. Depends how far you want the critical thinking skills to take you: what road you want to be on. In the long run, it's "your degree", and in virtue of it being so it's imperative you make the most out of it: enjoyment and career prospects.

Bachelor Industrial Automation Engineer with minor in Proces Automation.
For each 8 engineer's that become gray, one guy like me stands up replace em by robots.

At 6/9/13 12:21 PM, ArmouredGRIFFON wrote: Personally out of the two I'd major in engineering. Depends how far you want the critical thinking skills to take you: what road you want to be on. In the long run, it's "your degree", and in virtue of it being so it's imperative you make the most out of it: enjoyment and career prospects.

Part of me doesn't care about building or designing. It's mainly abstract thinking that interests me. Unfortantly such a job in those theotorical areas involves that you have to be REALLY smart.

I might get stuck behind a computer monitor somewhere collecting data. It will fit prefectly with my laziness. :p