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At 5/9/13 02:40 PM, BumFodder wrote:

At 5/9/13 02:36 PM, Otto wrote: There's a lot of farms where I live and the things that go on are very saddening to see.

If I ever were it would firstly be a health gain (when my family indulges in meat, it is often and heavily, which I would like to opt out of sometimes but am always enticed). Secondly it would be a protest; not one with the aim of changing anything, but a protest to match my own ethics.

As it stands I am too much of a wussy meat lover to do it.

Well there are better places to get meat from, it just depends from place to place. And in europe there are stricter guidelines.

I know I know, but I live in the South West where all the supposedly local good home grown british free range etc. whatever good tag you want, we've still got lots of butchers who sell stuff they raise and kill. But I'm talking deeper bullshit than that.

Anyway like I said, I'm not even doing the vegetarian thing, so there is no sense quibbling with decisions I have slowly made for myself over a number of years.

Why does this forum create such a terrible air of getting the last word and being more right, even when it matters so little.

At 5/9/13 02:55 PM, kakalxlax wrote:

To actively remove something so saturated and forced upon people who avoid it, is very difficult. I just don't think I've got it in me to commit, despite what I feel I more and more believe.

or, you could see it as they wanting to raise attention by doing something uncommon as avoiding meat, and ranting about it

I feel every response you write reveals only that you read what you want to read. All I said was avoiding meat is hard. I wasn't saying anything about the people who actually do it; you just want to bring it up and whack it around.

Christ, let people not eat meat if they don't want to. If you hate snide vegetarians, then stop giving them a reason to argue by keeping shtum about it yourself. They'll stop talking if you stop replying.

The problem is that when anything becomes a means of differentiating yourself from other people, then loads of people start over-investing their self worth in the thing, and using it as a wall to hide their insecurities. Unless the thing has strong in-built checks to stop that from happening. Then only a slightly smaller number of people over-invest their self worth in it.

At 5/9/13 10:45 AM, Earfetish wrote:

At 5/9/13 09:56 AM, BasedBubbus wrote:

At 5/9/13 09:16 AM, Earfetish wrote:

If plants and animals are equivalent, then I should bury you in the ground and piss on you

i dont know whats stopping you

because animals and plants are not equivalent. One has a central nervous system, for instance.

i dont see how thats stopping you from burying and pissing on me

If plants and animals are equivalent, then I should bury you in the ground and piss on you

i dont know whats stopping you

because animals and plants are not equivalent. One has a central nervous system, for instance.

i dont see how thats stopping you from burying and pissing on me

read all quoted posts in this post and bask in the logic

There is a difference between the two you know!

I'm a vegan but I don't go flaunting it around and shoving it in people's faces.

The only reason the saying goes "don't worry they'll tell you" or whatever is because food is such a common topic, and people don't realize it because we're so used to talking about food on a daily basis, it never comes up that somebody is vegan because it isn't a super common thing to hear, so when it does happen, people get that 'bad taste' in their mouths about the person for even mentioning it.

I try to keep it to myself now, but people often want to grab food while hanging out, and it can be a difficult time trying to find somewhere to go that is vegan-friendly, so yeah, the topic of food is so common, you can't blame a vegan for saying that they're vegan when we talk about the subject of food on a daily basis.

Either way, I think I want to start eating meat again kind of, I do miss burgers, but the more I do research on stuff, the less appealing it really is, despite how good it may taste.

At 5/9/13 10:45 AM, Earfetish wrote:

At 5/9/13 09:56 AM, BasedBubbus wrote:

At 5/9/13 09:16 AM, Earfetish wrote:

If plants and animals are equivalent, then I should bury you in the ground and piss on you

i dont know whats stopping you

because animals and plants are not equivalent. One has a central nervous system, for instance.

That clearly. And also the biggest thing being that if you want to reduce suffering it's worst to eat plants and animals and least bad to eat just plants. I really don't understand how people don't see those two huge flaws with that retort but I suppose they are all equally stupid. The ONLY legitimate reason for eating meat is because you like to. The reasons for not eating it all make sense and they are healthy as or healthier for eating that way. People act like there are facts about it but really it's more opinion whether you think you should eat meat or not.

At 5/9/13 02:11 PM, Otto wrote:

At 5/9/13 01:31 PM, kakalxlax wrote:

At 5/9/13 01:23 PM, Otto wrote: I wish I had the lack of balls to be a vegetarian.

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Hohoho how incredibly clever that was! No, do not deny, in a western society, that it is harder to not eat meat than it is to just eat it. To actively remove something so saturated and forced upon people who avoid it, is very difficult. I just don't think I've got it in me to commit, despite what I feel I more and more believe.

Once I went veg I thought I'd never go back ever. I was slowly worn down for years until after 8 I stopped. Living in Wisconsin was no help either. Everyone's a farmer and we love beer cheese and brats. I'm sure if I lived somewhere in California or something I'd still be going strong. But all the crap from people was giving me too much mental anguish. I still eat lots of stuff I ate as a vegan. I'm more of a social meat eater lol.
I think what annoys me the most about that is I AM QUIET. It was more that people figured out I didn't eat meat by noticing a pattern and questioning me about it. I never put anyone down for their diet or asked them about it. Just because I eat differently than you doesn't make it appropriate for you to interview me about it!

I wish those extremely militant kinds of vegans would realize that there's nothing wrong with eating meat. It's not immoral, nor is it unhealthy.

At 5/9/13 06:53 PM, Earfetish wrote:

If plants and animals are equivalent, then I should bury you in the ground and piss on you

i dont know whats stopping you

because animals and plants are not equivalent. One has a central nervous system, for instance.

i dont see how thats stopping you from burying and pissing on me

read all quoted posts in this post and bask in the logic

is this supposed to be a joke like the first line? if the only thing stopping you from killing me is the fact that i have a central nervous system theres a problem

are you one of those people who cares more about homeless animals than people because people are bad or something
do you wish you could live with the dolphins?

But...why eat meat and dairy if I can live perfectly fine and much live much cheaper without it?

Honestly? If it makes them happy, I'm in full support.
However, I don't necessarily agree with their logic. Studies suggest more and more that plants are complex beings, feeling pain and maybe even emotion. So the idea is essentially a more inclusive version of anti-cannibalism. We rule out beings even remotely similar to us, and only stop when they seem significantly different. It's racist, I tell you!

But in all seriousness, we have to get sustenance somehow, which means something will always die for the well being of another. At this point, we've created an equilibrium, and it would be illogical to try and alter it. We'll only disrupt the food web.

Also, in the realm of things such as bovine milk: I've noticed a number of vegans claiming that cows only need to produce excess milk because cultivators artificially inseminate them. But this is completely unfounded. It's true that farmers attempt to hasten the process by which the milk is created, but cows produce milk whether its for offspring or not.

This was probably due to domestication, I will admit, but its an irreversible evolutionary process.

Ultimately, I really don't agree with the vegan lifestyle in particular, but I have no issue with either persuasion.
Like I said, if it makes you happy, and no one is harmed... All the power to you.
All I ask is that you respect that your belief system is simply that, as is mine. It is not inherently wrong to eat meat. It's in our nature. Defy it if you will, but do not condemn me for it.

At 5/9/13 11:31 PM, Himynameisjacob wrote: Also, in the realm of things such as bovine milk: I've noticed a number of vegans claiming that cows only need to produce excess milk because cultivators artificially inseminate them. But this is completely unfounded. It's true that farmers attempt to hasten the process by which the milk is created, but cows produce milk whether its for offspring or not.

This was probably due to domestication, I will admit, but its an irreversible evolutionary process.

Woah wait what??? I'm all for small farm and local stuff. Factory farms suck. But even putting that aside WHAT?? How the whatssss got a link or something I'm so confused.

Mammals produce milk for their young. Dairy cows are bred, their calves go on to be made into veal or future dairy cows and their milking time is prolonged for human consumption rather than giving it to their own calves.

Here's my opinion: If I know you're a vegetarian or vegan and I know this for any reason other than me going to get you something with meat in it and you politely declining, odds are you're a fucking cunt

I'm a vegetarian. I am now going to be a cunt to everyone I met because of this post. Good job.

At 5/11/13 01:57 AM, TheColourAwesome wrote: I'm a vegetarian. I am now going to be a cunt to everyone I met because of this post. Good job.

would you throw red paint on me if i came through your city with 100% chinchilla chinos

At 5/11/13 02:01 AM, BasedBubbus wrote: would you throw red paint on me if i came through your city with 100% chinchilla chinos

nah, would probably give you a hand shake or fist bump or something.

At 5/11/13 02:18 AM, TheColourAwesome wrote:

At 5/11/13 02:01 AM, BasedBubbus wrote: would you throw red paint on me if i came through your city with 100% chinchilla chinos

nah, would probably give you a hand shake or fist bump or something.

hopefully youd give more than a fist bump

At 5/11/13 02:31 AM, BasedBubbus wrote:

At 5/11/13 02:18 AM, TheColourAwesome wrote:

At 5/11/13 02:01 AM, BasedBubbus wrote: would you throw red paint on me if i came through your city with 100% chinchilla chinos

nah, would probably give you a hand shake or fist bump or something.

hopefully youd give more than a fist bump

damnit

At 5/11/13 01:57 AM, TheColourAwesome wrote: I am now going to be a cunt to everyone I met because of this post. Good job.

Including your fellow vegetarians?

At 5/11/13 02:46 AM, T1ttyK1tty wrote: Including your fellow vegetarians?

Yes.

anyone heard of onision?

I wouldn't mind that guy dying

he is just so messed in the head...I can forgive Chris Chan because what he does his hilarious and doesn't do too much harm but onision just poisons people and he is a hypocritical cunt with a really backwards way of thinking

At 5/11/13 05:32 AM, Halberd wrote: anyone heard of onision?

Nope.

At 5/9/13 11:19 PM, BasedBubbus wrote: is this supposed to be a joke like the first line? if the only thing stopping you from killing me is the fact that i have a central nervous system theres a problem

Yes, I feel empathy and therefore guilt when causing harm to things with a central nervous system. Do you not? Then we have a problem. Is it ok to torture and kill things with central nervous systems? Is pulling a dog's leg off the same as pulling a leaf off a tree?

are you one of those people who cares more about homeless animals than people because people are bad or something
do you wish you could live with the dolphins?

No, you are a moron. I support animal testing for medical purposes because humans are more important than animals.

it has no health benefits but more delicious animals for me to eat

At 5/11/13 09:59 AM, captainlolz wrote: it has no health benefits but more delicious animals for me to eat

Great comic. Something somewhere will die in any out come so why even try. Very positive.

At 5/11/13 10:13 AM, TheColourAwesome wrote:

Great comic. Something somewhere will die in any out come so why even try. Very positive.

they're still indrectly killing animals which is why vegans vegetarians don't eat meat

At 5/11/13 09:38 AM, Earfetish wrote:

At 5/9/13 11:19 PM, BasedBubbus wrote: is this supposed to be a joke like the first line? if the only thing stopping you from killing me is the fact that i have a central nervous system theres a problem

Yes, I feel empathy and therefore guilt when causing harm to things with a central nervous system. Do you not? Then we have a problem. Is it ok to torture and kill things with central nervous systems? Is pulling a dog's leg off the same as pulling a leaf off a tree?

well my thoughts on killing things dont really come because they have a central nervous system, i just dont feel good taking away someone's life. if i asked someone why they think killing is wrong id expect something about the harm and grief they'd cause to that person's family and the fact that they cant enjoy life anymore, not something about central nervous systems. and no, pulling a leg off a tree isn the same, but taking down a tree probably has more impact overall than putting down a dog

are you one of those people who cares more about homeless animals than people because people are bad or something

do you wish you could live with the dolphins?

No, you are a moron. I support animal testing for medical purposes because humans are more important than animals.

do you wear the lipstick you support they test to mock these animals

At 5/8/13 07:53 AM, T1ttyK1tty wrote: and try to make you feel guilty about how you're causing global warming and a death of "thousand" animals along with some insults.

yet at the same time they're probably eating fruits/vegetables that came from exploited labour forces, for example, like from mexico, or have been genetically modified to grow faster. And how do you think we have the land to grow food in some areas... Someone had to deforest something to make room for that land, in some cases. It's not really a completely honest industry, with of course some obvious exceptions.

They're just like those Christians who goes door to door to promote their religion.

Mormons?