If Canada is better than America?

[GameChild214]

Why do people still live here in America then. My guess is probably due to Canada's strict immigration laws, unlike the U.S. were you might get citizenship but I heard Canada isn't lenient at all with that (which is good, what's illeagal is illegal). People also always say that Canadians are friendler, and have nicer communities, socialy and economically. So again, why do people live in America then? Is it uncommon for americans to move to Canada. Anyway I probably am, not out of cowardice or anything, it just seems like Canada's a better place, so I'll go there. Then again, America's southern border country is Mexico, Mexicans come in hordes to America looking for a better life, then are often ridiculed by Americans. My guess is if Americans come in hordes to Canada often, they feel the same way.

Anyway please don't do the hole "OH YOUR STUPID YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT POLITICS" or something, I think I know that otherwise I wouldn't be asking this question.

[leanlifter1]

Well in the Provence of Alberta which is where I live it is highly Americanized and allot like Texas. Even the people have changed we are not really Canadians anymore well I am but we are a dieing breed. We have been Americanized :-( Aside from the socioeconomic aspect I think to my knowledge Canada has better social programs which is good if your are of an average income level but bad if you are rich. Move to Vancouver it's the bomb and best place to live in North America IMO although it is expensive.

[GameChild214]

At 5/4/13 03:03 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: iMove to Vancouver it's the bomb and best place to live in North America IMO although it is expensive.

I'm from Vancouver, if Canada is like Vancouver I guess i'll stay situated

[leanlifter1]

At 5/4/13 03:06 PM, GameChild214 wrote:

At 5/4/13 03:03 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: iMove to Vancouver it's the bomb and best place to live in North America IMO although it is expensive.

I'm from Vancouver, if Canada is like Vancouver I guess i'll stay situated

No Alberta is completely different from B.C. Vancouver is laid back chillin but Alberta is an ugly province where people come from all over the world to rape and pillage the Oil patch. Alberta is like lil Texas but B.C = chillin and a great place to call home.

[Warforger]

At 5/4/13 02:51 PM, GameChild214 wrote: Why do people still live here in America then.

It's the same everywhere, it depends if people can find a job there or not or if they like what they have. Lots of Russians in Central Asia for example would love to move to Russia and away from the dictatorships which discriminate against them but they don't have any jobs or livelihood waiting for them there in Russia so they stay in Central Asia. Russia would also gladly accept them.

My guess is probably due to Canada's strict immigration laws, unlike the U.S. were you might get citizenship but I heard Canada isn't lenient at all with that (which is good, what's illeagal is illegal). People also always say that Canadians are friendler, and have nicer communities, socialy and economically.

What communities are nice or not isn't the country itself per se, it's more local than anything. Usually higher income area's have nicer communities, hell where I live it doesn't even matter if my door is unlocked when no one's home because there hasn't been an incident of theft in my neighborhood. Stores around here are open and are pretty lenient. Yet if I go down to some city outside from mine the doors on the stores are very hard to push, probably to slow down potential robbers, a burger joint had a sign which had "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" in bold print, alot of the windows have bars etc. Canada has a similar thing and in particular Quebec seems to draw alot of hatred for that.

So again, why do people live in America then? Is it uncommon for americans to move to Canada. Anyway I probably am, not out of cowardice or anything, it just seems like Canada's a better place, so I'll go there. Then again, America's southern border country is Mexico, Mexicans come in hordes to America looking for a better life, then are often ridiculed by Americans. My guess is if Americans come in hordes to Canada often, they feel the same way.

Not necessarily. Much of that is migrant work, Mexicans go up to the US during harvest season to work then come back down to their home towns where that money is worth alot more. Others are like how you say though. The problem again is that there is no permanent livelihood for people in Canada and there isn't much incentive to move.

Anyway please don't do the hole "OH YOUR STUPID YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT POLITICS" or something, I think I know that otherwise I wouldn't be asking this question.

It's like saying "hey Norway tops every category on every international ranking, why doesn't everyone just move to Norway?" It's not so simple since people don't have such freedom of mobility to live wherever they want.

[Camarohusky]

To each their own, but you're making one huge assumption: That Canada's standard of life is dramatically higher than the US's.

I will not address the actual question of whther or not Canada's SOL is higher than Americans, as the mere fact of that, were it true, is wholly irrelevant. Even if Canada's SOL is higher than the US, it is not by much. The US has some large dometic problems, but the standard of livingfor all but the extreme bottom (homeless and near homeless, plus a few other small groups) is very high. In order for economic based immigration to occur the SOL in Canada would have to be obscenely high, and my gut tells me that it would have to be higher than the highest SOL possible in the world today.

Uprooting is expensive not only for the one time cost, but for the future prosects as well. This is why you find immigrant doctors working at reail. Their education, connections, family, and such are laregly worthless the minute they immigrate. So the difference in conditions between the departure country and the arrival country needs to be large enough to ovrcome not only the lost money for moving but the loss of all of the other intangible things as well.

Now this idea above mostly accounts for the reguee style of immigrants. When it comes to the wealthy immigrants, Warforger (or, I believe it was him, too lazy to check again) already hit the nail on the head. Wealthy immigrants go to jobs already laid out. Canada is a puny country (in everything but size). A Country of 30 million people just does not have the economic power to attract masses of these sorts of immigrants. They could get some, but open the floodgates and America could easily double the population in a decade. Canada's economy isn't prepared for that.

[SuckMyBallsack666]

In some ways yes, in some ways no. Depends who you are, what you like, and what applies to you. I would guess that in general there are more people out there who would be more benefited by living in Canada vs. living in the US, but most of those people would never be able to get citizenship, so it is kind of a moot point. Canadian immigration is very much pay to play. If you have enough money, you can come.

[leanlifter1]

At 5/6/13 11:45 AM, Camarohusky wrote: To each their own, but you're making one huge assumption: That Canada's standard of life is dramatically higher than the US's.

Well in my experience Canada is much safer and much more chillin than the states. So in that respect I don't have gun toting moron rednecks with less brains than bullets running around looking to impose there will on anyone they deem weaker. SO yes Canada is better than US.

[Shade]

Time to go through this post and point out all the lies OP has been told

At 5/4/13 02:51 PM, GameChild214 wrote: People also always say that Canadians are friendler,

Quite the opposite, Canadians are assholes just like everyone else.

and have nicer communities, socialy and economically.

There are ghettos and other incredibly poor neighbourhoods here too.

Canada as a whole is like the US, but colder.

[Warforger]

At 5/6/13 12:40 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Well in my experience Canada is much safer and much more chillin than the states. So in that respect I don't have gun toting moron rednecks with less brains than bullets running around looking to impose there will on anyone they deem weaker. SO yes Canada is better than US.

So essentially your experience is looking at a couple of images on the internet and talking with other Canadians about how bad America is.

[ChloBro]

USA has way more cultural hotspots than Canada.
Canada has Toronto.
USA has LA, NYC, Miami, Seattle, Houston...

[leanlifter1]

At 5/6/13 09:33 PM, ChloBro wrote: USA has way more cultural hotspots than Canada.
Canada has Toronto.
USA has LA, NYC, Miami, Seattle, Houston...

Toronto is Canada's NYC but Canada also has Montreal and Vancouver is defiantly the best.

[thegarbear14]

Canada has leanlifter1

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[leanlifter1]

At 5/6/13 09:47 PM, thegarbear14 wrote: Canada has leanlifter1

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I am in the Cayman Islands right now so ...

[Cootie]

I would say that America and Canada aren't different enough to even warrant moving between.

[Dawnslayer]

At 5/6/13 11:18 PM, Cootie wrote: I would say that America and Canada aren't different enough to even warrant moving between.

Unless you ask the demographic of Americans who think Canada is socialist, in which case they wouldn't move anyway.

[orangebomb]

For some odd reason, people think that Canada is considered to be more progressive or tolerent of other people than America is, and frankly, I think that is rather skewed to say the least. For one thing, America's population is about 10 times as big as Canada is, with roughly two-thirds the size, {give or take} and that generally means that there are certain regions and groups of people that will have far different values, economics, philosophies and so on, and it's not often that they mesh together.

What some foreigners think of Americans varies, but it's mostly either a loud-mouth cowboy, bulking football player, a religious nutjob or some combination of the 3, when in reality, we are the most diverse country in the nation in terms of ethnicity and economically, and we certainly don't think alike, much less agree on much of anything. Yet even with all that, there are still a good many of people who come to this country for various reasons because America is the best place for an opportunity, and where the best of the best come here to learn.

Of course, other countries like Canada or Britain are similar in nature to what the USA has to an extent, but America has the most resources, technology and most diversity in the world, which is one of the reasons why foreigners study, find work or even live in America in which they can't really do in many other places. I don't know if it's jealousy or the fact that some other countries pass the blame on us instead of themselves for their problems, attempting to masquerade said problems by being smart-asses, but as far as I know, that doesn't really work.

[Cootie]

At 5/6/13 11:31 PM, Dawnslayer wrote:
Unless you ask the demographic of Americans who think Canada is socialist, in which case they wouldn't move anyway.

Canada being identified as a socialist nation is laughable.

[Sam-DeanWinchester]

America and Canada are equal. We both have our cons and pros, just like every other country.

[Sam-DeanWinchester]

At 5/8/13 06:00 PM, Sam-DeanWinchester wrote: America and Canada are equal. We both have our cons and pros, just like every other country.

and every country has agnorant people. It doesn't matter where you go or where you live. You will always meet people who hate a country or someone that's racist.

we are all human beings and we all live on planet earth.

(i'm a Canadian)

[morefngdbs]

At 5/8/13 06:00 PM, Sam-DeanWinchester wrote: America and Canada are equal. We both have our cons

;;;;
For evey person alive in the Provice of Nova Scotia ,Canada .
The USA has 2 & 1/4 people in prison .
Seeing as we are surrounded by salt water with only a narrow strip of very soggy land attaching us to the mainland North America (called the tantramar marshes) The USA could easily take over Canada & ship us all out of here & use this Provice as a penal colony ~;b
Cause there's all kinds of space & you'd only need to guard a small access area

LoL

[TragediesStrikeUs]

There are a LOT of immigrants in Canada, mainly from Asian countries. When I was in Vancouver it was mostly immigrants from Japan or China there, as well as Canadians of Japanese or Chinese heritage. Same thing with Toronto, many immigrants from East Asian countries as well as Jamaica, and quite a lot from India too.

Canada is a lot more strict about illegal immigration, as you assumed. Here in the US, illegal immigrants are usually protected and don't get deported unless they commit a serious crime, or at least that is the case of where I live.

A lot of people still like the US because there are more jobs opportunities here and at least it's not freezing cold in certain parts. You can move to Florida or Southern California or Texas and not have to freeze your ass off in the winter.

[Camarohusky]

At 5/13/13 10:15 PM, TragediesStrikeUs wrote: at least it's not freezing cold in certain parts.

The massive influx of people from Turkey (great weather) to Germany and France (shit weather) shows that weather has about zero to do with actual immigration.

[leanlifter1]

At 5/14/13 08:26 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 5/13/13 10:15 PM, TragediesStrikeUs wrote: at least it's not freezing cold in certain parts.

The massive influx of people from Turkey (great weather) to Germany and France (shit weather) shows that weather has about zero to do with actual immigration.

It's because people that are forced into migration are doing so because they are fucking poor and are chasing an ideal they will never attain. People with money migrate no out of necessity but simple because warm tropical climates are an ideal place to live, work, play and procreate and that's putting socio political bullshit semantics aside.

[GhostPony750]

At 5/6/13 02:25 PM, Shade wrote: Time to go through this post and point out all the lies OP has been told

At 5/4/13 02:51 PM, GameChild214 wrote: People also always say that Canadians are friendler,

Quite the opposite, Canadians are assholes just like everyone else.

and have nicer communities, socialy and economically.

There are ghettos and other incredibly poor neighbourhoods here too.

Canada as a whole is like the US, but colder.

Have you ever been to Canada to say this?
You obviously have no idea of what you're talking about.
We have free healthcare! :D

[Shade]

At 5/18/13 11:15 AM, GhostPony750 wrote: Have you ever been to Canada to say this?

I live in Canada.

You obviously have no idea of what you're talking about.

See above.

We have free healthcare! :D

Actually, the healthcare is paid for by the taxpayers and thus, isn't free.

[Ceratisa]

At 5/18/13 02:09 PM, Shade wrote:

At 5/18/13 11:15 AM, GhostPony750 wrote: Have you ever been to Canada to say this?

I live in Canada.

You obviously have no idea of what you're talking about.

See above.

We have free healthcare! :D

Actually, the healthcare is paid for by the taxpayers and thus, isn't free.

SO its free if you are a burden to society!!

[GameChild214]

At 5/18/13 04:04 PM, Ceratisa wrote:

At 5/18/13 02:09 PM, Shade wrote:

At 5/18/13 11:15 AM, GhostPony750 wrote: Have you ever been to Canada to say this?

Actually, the healthcare is paid for by the taxpayers and thus, isn't free.

SO its free if you are a burden to society!!

exactly

[morefngdbs]

At 5/18/13 04:04 PM, Ceratisa wrote:

At 5/18/13 02:09 PM, Shade wrote:

At 5/18/13 11:15 AM, GhostPony750 wrote: Have you ever been to Canada to say this?

I live in Canada.

You obviously have no idea of what you're talking about.

See above.

We have free healthcare! :D

Actually, the healthcare is paid for by the taxpayers and thus, isn't free.

SO its free if you are a burden to society!!

remember (or is it learn) with our taxing of anything purchased (or just about anything) goods OR SERVICES , even if you are a drug dealer in Canada you pay taxes everytime you buy food, pay your rent, etc. You don't have to work even welfare recipients pay taxes to buy stuff ...~:D

With America having over 40 MILLION people on welfare aka the food stamp system, & Canada only having 35 Million people ...there are more people sucking the life out of the American economy ...than there are Canadians on the planet !

You wanna talk problems that's a HUGE one !

[KatMaestro]

At 5/18/13 11:15 AM, GhostPony750 wrote: Have you ever been to Canada to say this?
You obviously have no idea of what you're talking about.
We have free healthcare! :D

Healthcare isn't free, dreamer. Of course, unless you don't pay taxes and feed on welfares in ghetto.