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At 4/25/13 10:19 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

so providing a service for money is corrupt? how full of shit are you? Colt Defense and DynCorp, Boeing all provide services for the Federal government AND THE MILITARY. are they "corrupt" too?

Yes the government and Military are corrupt because they have a monopoly on violence and they both initiate the use of violence as a means of subjugation and oppression.

At 4/25/13 07:04 PM, Kel-chan wrote: America invented fascism...

Fascism was not invented in America, Italy got to it first and then it spread to Germany, and we all know how that turned out.

The nazi's just picked it up and went one step further. You could already say we are facist. Since facism is the merger of state and corporate power.

WE ARE NOT A FASCIST STATE. How many times must I say this before it becomes true? This is nowhere near the fascism that was in Europe in the 1920's and '30s, especially considering that this came after WW1.

We're just in fascism lite but the iron grip closes tighter everyday.

No it's not. Contrary to popular opinion by the ignorant, your freedoms aren't being taken away for whatever bullshit reason. Stop living in a sensationalized world, and read between the lines, but I guess that too much to ask for.

NDAA,

Not against political opponents, this determines how much money the military and DoD gets.

Monsanto Protection Act,

Irrelevant, considering that this a small part of the bigger bill.

news propaganda.

Holy shit, Fox News and MSNBC has different opinions on something which they do on their free will, stop the fucking presses.

cult of personality,

There are a lot of people who hate the president, I don't think he would be worshiped if he was this hated. The closest person that had this in recent memory was Joe Paterno in Pennsylvania, and I think we know what happened there.

wage slavery,

Yes, because we hear stories of some dumbass being paid 5 cents an hour at Burger King. You do realize how those 2 words contradict each other? I'm going to say that you don't.

private prison industrial complex, military industrial complex. security industrial complex, secret prisons, habeus corpus that can be rescinded at will,

All of this is either nothing but empty left wing rhetoric that was used against Bush, or in the case of Habeas Corpus, they were in war situations where everyone had to be on the same page, otherwise the shit would hit the fan. Perhaps you should've known that HC could be taken away in times of rebellion {Civil War} or where Americans were in danger {WW2, War on Terrorism, etc.}

the lockdown of a major metropolitan area with 20,000 police armed with automatic rifles and conducting house to house searches for one lone 19 year old suspect.

Because he bombed the Boston Marathon and with nearly 200+ casualties to his credit. You can't take chances on a psychopath who could easily kill again, and to say otherwise is not only ignorant, but dangerous. I guarantee you if you were near or had someone you know in that blast got severely injured or worse, you would hope that the cops/National Guard move heaven and earth to find the bastard.

FOR GOD SAKES!

I USE CAPS LOCKS TO SOUND IMPORTANT!!!

What more do people need to realize we are already fascist? Apparently they expect regular police to put on nazi uniforms with swastikas.

For the final time, this is not a fascist state. America is simply not a ripe breeding ground for fascism. Real fascism is what Italy had in the 20's and Germany had a decade later with the total destruction of their economies after WW1 and the Great Depression soon after.

I swear, all you people who think that America is becoming fascist must've failed basic history in school.

I ask you all-

Just stop. You're wrong, and so is leanlifter and LemonCrush. If you had any idea on what real fascism is, I know that you will not find it here, and as soon as you get your heads out of your asses, then maybe you realize that I'm talking about, but I wouldn't bet on it.

At 4/25/13 10:45 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

the Federal government AND THE MILITARY. are they "corrupt" too?

Yes the government and Military are corrupt because they have a monopoly on violence and they both initiate the use of violence as a means of subjugation and oppression.

Apparently some folks seem to think we're not fascist enough yet to be called a fascist state....

so i guess we all need to sit an wait a little longer for the round up and pogroms to begin. Perhaps when dhs is patrolling the streets, or when NYC's stop and frisk is implemented in your town.

the whole idea is incrementalism

Lets suspend some civil liberties here and there and lets govern by crisis but do so gradually so that nobody will notice. Let's allow buisness and superpacs to write our legislation and if anybody has any objections they can be bankrupted going around in circles through the courts. If those don't work theres always executive orders. If the people complain we can just have thier protest infiltrated with agent provacteurs and arrest them all and tag them incase they decide to complain in the future.

Sounds good ya?

At 4/25/13 11:10 PM, Kel-chan wrote: Apparently some folks seem to think we're not fascist enough yet to be called a fascist state....

so i guess we all need to sit an wait a little longer for the round up and pogroms to begin. Perhaps when dhs is patrolling the streets, or when NYC's stop and frisk is implemented in your town.

the whole idea is incrementalism

Lets suspend some civil liberties here and there and lets govern by crisis but do so gradually so that nobody will notice. Let's allow buisness and superpacs to write our legislation and if anybody has any objections they can be bankrupted going around in circles through the courts. If those don't work theres always executive orders. If the people complain we can just have thier protest infiltrated with agent provacteurs and arrest them all and tag them incase they decide to complain in the future.

Sounds good ya?

No it's not fascist enough. Lets bring back the Nazi SS insignia for all patriots of America to brandish with pride.
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At 4/25/13 11:27 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: You still haven't responded to my post.

Government and "The State" is corrupt no doubt about.

At 4/25/13 11:33 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 4/25/13 11:28 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 4/25/13 11:27 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: You still haven't responded to my post.

Government and "The State" is corrupt no doubt about.

That wasn't my question: does so providing a service for money is corrupt? Colt Defense and DynCorp, Boeing all provide services for the Federal government AND THE MILITARY make the companies all evil like Black Water?

Providing a service can be very corrupt absolutely. For example providing sex for money is very corrupt. Providing and Oil change to your friend/customer whom is an upstanding citizen family man and humanitarian is not. Lockheed Corporation providing WMDs to evil tyrants is corrupt.

At 4/25/13 11:49 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Providing a service can be very corrupt absolutely. For example providing sex for money is very corrupt. Providing and Oil change to your friend/customer whom is an upstanding citizen family man and humanitarian is not. Lockheed Corporation providing WMDs to evil tyrants is corrupt.

You're still not answering the question. It's a yes or no question, not on ethat requires a bunch of irrelevant lip flapping.

At 4/26/13 12:00 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 4/25/13 11:49 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

Lockheed Corporation providing WMDs to evil tyrants is corrupt.

Lockheed provides and contracts missile manufacturing (which does not fall under WMD) go to the following authorized users:

You think your cute trying to Missiles are not WMDs ? Once again "THE INITIATION OF VIOLENCE" in corrupt end of story.

No it's not fascist enough. Lets bring back the Nazi SS insignia for all patriots of America to brandish with pride.
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ah....well soon enough

At 4/26/13 01:03 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 4/26/13 12:45 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:
You think your cute trying to Missiles are not WMDs ? Once again "THE INITIATION OF VIOLENCE" in corrupt end of story.

9/11. We didn't start shit in the middle east. And the missiles made by Lockheed by international law don't fall into the category of WMDs but maybe to you Yuppie Canadians.

Missiles are weapons and they are capable of mass destruction.

9/11 remains unsolved so it was the USA that initiated force until proven otherwise.

At 4/26/13 04:22 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

9/11 Commission Report confirms that.

There no proof that 9/11 was not initiated and executed by the USA. In fact it's how war works. Who wrote the report and how many people even went to court ? It's bull shit propaganda and you know it.

At 4/26/13 11:49 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 4/26/13 04:22 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

There no proof that 9/11 was not initiated and executed by the USA. In fact it's how war works. Who wrote the report and how many people even went to court ? It's bull shit propaganda and you know it.

Why are there still people who think that the government did 9/11, when we have tons of indisputable evidence that 19 hijackers connected to Al-Qaeda were behind the attacks, and were hiding out in Afghanistan with the Taliban's help. These are absolute, indisputable facts, and to even challenge them is doing to disservice to those who died, but I guess you don't give a shit about them now do you?

America is not leaning towards a fascist state, {especially when you don't even know what true fascism is} and 9/11 was not an inside job, and they are no logical argument to say otherwise.

At 4/25/13 08:31 PM, Feoric wrote:

At 4/25/13 07:41 PM, morefngdbs wrote: Anyone bother to watch the Security proceedures used in the Watertown area looking for 1 skinny so called terrorist ?

You're seriously comparing the efforts of the BPD, SWAT, State Police etc in response to a domestic terror threat to Nazis? What the fuck is wrong with you?

;;;
WHAt's wrong with me ????????
WT F , wrong with you & Tony ?????

Here an American who came out also calling a spade a spade !

There's is definately somethign fucking wrong & its with you & Tony & all the rest of the imbecillic idiots of the USA who are completely BRAIN DEAD.

I'd call you morans , but I would then be insulting morons, who are much higher up the intelligent spectrum than any of you !

THE LINK

http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-gold-silver-liberty-was-
also-attacked-in-boston.aspx?article=4349185238G10020&redire ct=false&contributor=Ron+Paul

That you can actually believe, that this removal of your basic rights & freedoms was ok, is ludicris ....& any respect I may have had fo ryou & your opinion no longer exists.

At 4/29/13 10:03 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 4/25/13 08:31 PM, Feoric wrote:

At 4/25/13 07:41 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

WHAt's wrong with me ????????
WT F , wrong with you & Tony ?????

Atrocious grammar aside, the fuck is wrong with you?

Here an American who came out also calling a spade a spade !

What?

There's is definately somethign fucking wrong & its with you & Tony & all the rest of the imbecillic idiots of the USA who are completely BRAIN DEAD.

Oh yeah, cheap insults, how intelligent of you. We happen to have different opinions and yet you insult us like a 5 year old delinquent for having opinions that are not knee-jerk, sensationalized or simply wrong.

I'd call you morans , but I would then be insulting morons, who are much higher up the intelligent spectrum than any of you !

Read statement above.

THE LINK

http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-gold-silver-liberty-was-
also-attacked-in-boston.aspx?article=4349185238G10020&redire ct=false&contributor=Ron+Paul

Biased as hell, and hardly believable to begin with. Good Lord, it seems like every time something like this in America, people like you bitch about "freedoms being taken away" while you're on the sidelines. {Canada} Liberty was not attacked that day any more than the sky turned green, what do you not understand from that statement?

That you can actually believe, that this removal of your basic rights & freedoms was ok, is ludicris ....& any respect I may have had fo ryou & your opinion no longer exists.

Like you had any respect for different opinions in the first place. It's ironic that you piss and moan about dissenting opinions against a mythical 1984 American government {which we are not}, and yet you shun others for having different opinions of their own, and those that are more educated and unbiased as well.

At 4/29/13 10:03 PM, morefngdbs wrote: That you can actually believe, that this removal of your basic rights & freedoms was ok, is ludicris ....& any respect I may have had fo ryou & your opinion no longer exists.

Right, uh huh, so the government and the police exploited the fact that there was a domestic terrorist hiding in a Boston neighborhood with weapons and IEDs just to conduct searches for no other reason than to "violate liberties." Makes sense. Well at least you're confident in yourself, Dr. Paul and your multi-purpose gold website.

At 4/26/13 10:39 PM, orangebomb wrote:

Why are there still people who think that the government did 9/11

Because there are still some people that have the ability to execute critical thinking instead of taking what the main stream media reports as the gospel.

:when we have tons of indisputable evidence that 19 hijackers

Who went to court again ? 19 people says who the main stream media ? tons of evidence LOL where ? can the so called evidence even be considered concrete ? Cite the links please.

america is almost 100% fascist in this day & age . . . thanks obama

--supergandhi64

At 5/2/13 03:42 PM, supergandhi64 wrote: america is almost 100% fascist in this day & age . . . thanks obama

--supergandhi64

Funny how people use Fascism for anything they don't like, without actually taking a look at what Fascism is and is not. If you really think the Fascists of WWII Germany, Italy, and Span would feel at home in this country you're deluding yourself.

Here's what George Orwell has to say about Fascism

" ...the word âEU~FascismâEUTM is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers,shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else ... Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathisers, almost any English person would accept âEU~bullyâEUTM as a synonym for âEU~FascistâEUTM. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come."

You should think about this before you just throw the word Fascism around for anything you don't like.

At 5/2/13 03:53 PM, SuckMyBallsack666 wrote:

At 5/2/13 03:42 PM, supergandhi64 wrote: america is almost 100% fascist in this day & age . . . thanks obama

--supergandhi64

You should think about this before you just throw the word Fascism around for anything you don't like.

telling me how i should or shouldn't think is a very fascist thing to do & i won't take your authoritarian c*ck & bull just like that

--supergandhi64