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How To Request a Musician 2013-04-22 21:36:34 Reply

I'm gettin' tired of your shit, people looking for musicians.

Look. Sit. Listen for a moment. I've even organized this for you people.

Here it is:
GUIDELINES ON GETTING A MUSICIAN ON YOUR PROJECT TEAM.

1. DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS AND WHEN TO GET A MUSICIAN

Games

First off, you don't even need a musician until very late in the process of the game making most of the time, so if you're trying to make a flash game, don't get musicians right off the bat. That just makes things way harder for everyone, because you have to keep tabs on something that doesn't even matter yet, and we have to make something that you want with no prompt at all. So don't do that.

Animations

For this one you need them a bit earlier, but not by much. Before animation begins, all the voices, sound effects and music need to be put in, so this one is alright to ask for a musician early on.

Other Shit

This depends on your hopefully good judgment. Most of the time with other types of projects you don't even need music composed for you. You can just look in the audio portal for stuff, that's part of the reason why it's there. So use it.

2. GIVE THE MUSICIAN INFORMATION

Any sensible musician who is left in the dark will leave the project because you don't respect them enough to give them any damn information on it. If you want us to make something good, you have to give us background. If you put nothing in, you're not getting anything out.

If you're making a flash game, great! Let us see it.
If you're making an animation, great! Let us see the script.
You have to give us information so we can do our job.
It's like if you go and tell a graphic designer "Design a logo for _____!" and that's it, no former logos or ideas or guidelines or nothing. We don't work like that.

I feel that personally and abroad, we are left in the dark all too much, and this needs to stop. Even if it's something as simple as PONG, don't do this to us.

3. IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU GET, DON'T BE SHITTY WITH US.

You are getting free music for god's sake. If you aren't happy with it you can go somewhere else. Companies would pay thousands of dollars for some of the fantastic composers on this website to make them music, and you are getting it FOR FREE. Now I'm sure most musicians reactions would be to scrap it and start again, but seriously. You're getting free services to make whatever you're doing come to life. However, if you ARE paying a musician and aren't liking what they're giving, go ahead and be shitty, but be shitty nicely. This leads me to my next point.

4. RESPECT YOUR MUSICIAN.

This applies for everyone in the project, not just musicians, but besides coders I feel we get some of the worst of it. The people working on your project are not machines, they are human beings and have feelings and lives outside of the internet.

Being a musician isn't easy. Being a writer or a coder or an animator isn't easy either. EVERYONE MATTERS. The point of a project team is to combine the talents of a bunch of different people to make something awesome. That being said, treat everyone equally, and don't look down upon them because you don't think their job is hard or requires "talent." Say that what they do doesn't require talent to a coder, and I personally guarantee you aren't willing to write 10,000+ lines of code for your game in two weeks, or write you a working script in three days, or waste away four weeks making a one minute animation, or spending nine hours tweak-equalizing something that doesn't sound right.

As long as the person, no matter their skill level, is putting effort and passion into making what you are creating great, they deserve your respect.

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Thank you for taking the time to read. If this type of post doesn't belong here, I'm sorry.
If you have anything to add or corrections to be made to what I said, feel free to post it and I'll look at it.
Thanks so much!

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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-22 21:48:53 Reply

At 4/22/13 09:36 PM, Acrylia wrote: 2. GIVE THE MUSICIAN INFORMATION
You have to give us information so we can do our job. It's like if you go and tell a graphic designer "Design a logo for _____!" and that's it, no former logos or ideas or guidelines or nothing. We don't work like that.

This...

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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-22 22:00:11 Reply

At 4/22/13 09:48 PM, alternativesolution wrote: This...

I think I love you

accurate thread

;u; Thank you friend! I love you too. In a non-creepy sort of way.

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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-22 22:00:14 Reply

Wow
Hit the Nail on the head
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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-22 22:03:29 Reply

In an ideal world, everyone would read this. Sadly it's not an ideal world and for that reason I foresee many, many days when I will rip my hair out, die a little inside, and reply to someone with these words: "So then... what exactly are you looking for?".
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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-22 22:08:59 Reply

At 4/22/13 10:03 PM, MetalRenard wrote: In an ideal world, everyone would read this. Sadly it's not an ideal world and for that reason I foresee many, many days when I will rip my hair out, die a little inside, and reply to someone with these words: "So then... what exactly are you looking for?".
u_u

yeah, i've been seeing a lot of the types of threads that say "hey i need music for this," but don't say anything else. i even got in an argument with one of them as to why we need more information, which is essentially what sparked this.

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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-22 22:13:34 Reply

At 4/22/13 10:03 PM, MetalRenard wrote: In an ideal world, everyone would read this. Sadly it's not an ideal world and for that reason I foresee many, many days when I will rip my hair out, die a little inside, and reply to someone with these words: "So then... what exactly are you looking for?".
u_u

That's how the world naturally filters out the bad projects from the good ones. Ideally, a musician is as connected to the project as its director, and the two of them are both meeting regularly to create the perfect sound of the project.

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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-22 22:19:41 Reply

OP just hope somebody would put this in the wiki. Sadly, this will never happen.

It's good that you are trying to help, but it's bad when offenders will never give a sh*t & just keep offending.

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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-22 22:20:50 Reply

At 4/22/13 10:19 PM, Elitistinen wrote: OP just hope somebody would put this in the wiki. Sadly, this will never happen.

It's good that you are trying to help, but it's bad when offenders will never give a sh*t & just keep offending.

well you can always send them the link to this thread if you think they need to learn something!

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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-22 23:03:33 Reply

At 4/22/13 10:20 PM, Acrylia wrote:
At 4/22/13 10:19 PM, Elitistinen wrote: OP just hope somebody would put this in the wiki. Sadly, this will never happen.

It's good that you are trying to help, but it's bad when offenders will never give a sh*t & just keep offending.
well you can always send them the link to this thread if you think they need to learn something!

I wrote 'will never give a sh*t & just keep offending' for a reason. There are threads like your bury deep in this forum.

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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-23 00:22:26 Reply

Good job on this. I made my own version of something like this a few weeks back, mostly aimed towards game music. It goes along the same lines as yours...

There's also a great rant/guide/post thing by SourJovis here that echoes the same sentiments you expressed with even more detail.

It would be nice if these resources were all bookmarked somehow, somewhere, but I don't think there's a way it can be done. These sorts of things really should be read by anyone interested in collaborating with a composer, but it's very hard to get to the "audience", persay, when most people poking their heads in here looking for people are either new to the site or new to the whole thing anyway (since most established developers/animators/etc. already have a good list of client composers they go to).


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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-23 01:15:53 Reply

At 4/22/13 09:36 PM, Acrylia wrote: 2. GIVE THE MUSICIAN INFORMATION
It's a secret to everybody!

Ah yes. Those wonderful projects where all you get is a note "make something groovy" and after that the point 4.

Much <3 for this thread!


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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-23 02:06:28 Reply

Those who cause a problem rarely read the solution.

Especially beforehand.

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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-23 02:49:45 Reply

At 4/22/13 09:36 PM, Acrylia wrote: 4. RESPECT YOUR MUSICIAN.
This applies for everyone in the project, not just musicians
The people working on your project are not machines, they are human beings and have feelings and lives outside of the internet.
EVERYONE MATTERS.
As long as the person, no matter their skill level, is putting effort and passion into making what you are creating great, they deserve your respect.

my favourite bits from this lovely thread
keeping the musicians in the loop is one thing, but respect for those involved is often overlooked too

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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-23 03:33:45 Reply

Someone get Tom to please please PLEASE pin this thread up somehow. Or at least put it in the FAQs.

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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-23 05:42:44 Reply

At 4/23/13 03:33 AM, HalcyonicFalconX wrote: Someone get Tom to please please PLEASE pin this thread up somehow. Or at least put it in the FAQs.

^ THIS.

Once this is put in the FAQs or enshrined somewhere, the people making these mistakes will have no excuse to make such gaffes anymore -- it'll be *almost like* committing an offence on the forums.


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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-23 07:35:22 Reply

At 4/23/13 03:33 AM, HalcyonicFalconX wrote: Someone get Tom to please please PLEASE pin this thread up somehow. Or at least put it in the FAQs.

While that would be awesome, I don't think it would happen unless a bunch of people contact Purgatory to have him pin it or someone else who works at NG.

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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-23 10:21:11 Reply

At 4/23/13 05:42 AM, TroisNyxEtienne wrote:
At 4/23/13 03:33 AM, HalcyonicFalconX wrote: Someone get Tom to please please PLEASE pin this thread up somehow. Or at least put it in the FAQs.
^ THIS.

Once this is put in the FAQs or enshrined somewhere, the people making these mistakes will have no excuse to make such gaffes anymore -- it'll be *almost like* committing an offence on the forums.

See these? These? Are productive answers as opposed to just pointing out how useless this thread may be since people wouldn't read it beforehand. What's important is finding a way to make sure it's not just another futile attempt.

if we can't get it pinned up I say someone just take turns posting a reply every now and then to keep it at the top where people can see it. silly, but, you know.

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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-23 10:23:25 Reply

We should have pinned countless threads previously? Why this?

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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-23 13:09:19 Reply

At 4/23/13 07:35 AM, Acrylia wrote: While that would be awesome, I don't think it would happen unless a bunch of people contact Purgatory to have him pin it or someone else who works at NG.

We need to contact the Purgy?! I CAN DO THAT!!!! >:D

Purgy's gonna hate me. xD
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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-23 14:30:58 Reply

At 4/23/13 10:23 AM, Elitistinen wrote: We should have pinned countless threads previously? Why this?

Better late than never, bud.

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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-23 17:21:08 Reply

This applies to everything in life when dealing with musicians. This should be enshrined as the law of the internet


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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-24 16:16:36 Reply

At 4/23/13 10:23 AM, Elitistinen wrote: We should have pinned countless threads previously? Why this?

A wise man once said:
"Bettah late then nevers!"
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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-24 23:16:26 Reply

At 4/24/13 04:16 PM, Acrylia wrote: -Satan

Possibly the wisest of them all?

Or maybe it's because he's surrounded by idiots that he exploits?
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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-24 23:53:47 Reply

At 4/24/13 04:16 PM, Acrylia wrote:
At 4/23/13 10:23 AM, Elitistinen wrote: We should have pinned countless threads previously? Why this?
A wise man once said:
"Bettah late then nevers!"
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Did it get pinned?

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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-25 06:10:26 Reply

At 4/24/13 11:53 PM, Elitistinen wrote:
Did it get pinned?

'Twill be in a matter of time.


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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-27 17:40:14 Reply

Due to popular demand, let's see if this shit gets pinned.

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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-27 17:55:05 Reply

At 4/27/13 05:40 PM, Acrylia wrote: Due to popular demand, let's see if this shit gets pinned.

The best thing to do, to bring it to his attention, is to either PM them or make mention of it in a news post. PMing would be the better option. But of course, keep the link!


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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-30 18:48:02 Reply

At 4/27/13 05:55 PM, TroisNyxEtienne wrote:
At 4/27/13 05:40 PM, Acrylia wrote: Due to popular demand, let's see if this shit gets pinned.
The best thing to do, to bring it to his attention, is to either PM them or make mention of it in a news post. PMing would be the better option. But of course, keep the link!

I prefer not to go to a moderator and say "Hey look, this thing I made is awesome, you should pin it!" That's a little arrogant.

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Response to How To Request a Musician 2013-04-30 18:52:22 Reply

At 4/30/13 06:48 PM, Acrylia wrote:
At 4/27/13 05:55 PM, TroisNyxEtienne wrote:
At 4/27/13 05:40 PM, Acrylia wrote: Due to popular demand, let's see if this shit gets pinned.
The best thing to do, to bring it to his attention, is to either PM them or make mention of it in a news post. PMing would be the better option. But of course, keep the link!
I prefer not to go to a moderator and say "Hey look, this thing I made is awesome, you should pin it!" That's a little arrogant.

We can't pin/sticky topics anyways... and the chances of an admin doing it are slim to none. As good as the post is, nothing ever gets stickied on these forums, it's a design decision by the staff, and I doubt they're going to change their mind.


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