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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-19 04:30:11

So far my list is:

1.) Changing 'Latin' to 'World'.
2.) Adding an 'Experimental' genre.
3.) Adding a 'Soundtrack' genre.
4.) Adding 'Solo Instrument'.
5.) Adding 'Fusion'.

@SourJovis I don't agree with adding Noise, Unavailable, Undefined, or Postmodern. The first can be thrown into Experimental if it's added, I don't see a problem with the second and third being thrown into Miscellaneous, and I can't see the fourth being used that much (even if it is used, it can still be categorised just fine in Experimental). However if many people are in favour of any of these genres being added then fair enough; I'll add them to the list.

@samulis Ethnic can go under World and Cinematic can go under Soundtrack, by the way. Or shall we change Soundtrack to Cinematic? In its strictest definition, soundtrack music is music made for games, movies, etc, rather than being its own genre, whereas cinematic music means having qualities of that kind of music, which makes more sense.


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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-19 04:40:26

At 4/19/13 04:30 AM, Step wrote: So far my list is:

1.) Changing 'Latin' to 'World'.
2.) Adding an 'Experimental' genre.
3.) Adding a 'Soundtrack' genre.
4.) Adding 'Solo Instrument'.
5.) Adding 'Fusion'.

1) YES! About high time!
2) Fair enough.
3) Tackling my response below.
4) That'll be welcome.
5) As will this, for people who blend genres a lot. I know a certain HFX will be pleased :D

Ethnic can go under World and Cinematic can go under Soundtrack, by the way. Or shall we change Soundtrack to Cinematic? In its strictest definition, soundtrack music is music made for games, movies, etc, rather than being its own genre, whereas cinematic music means having qualities of that kind of music, which makes more sense.

I would say whether or not the genre is called 'Soundtrack' or 'Cinematic' depends on the breakdown of submissions there are. Please get second opinions: my observation is that a lot of people, even newly scouted audio people, have submitted cinematic works, and oftentimes these things don't sound the least bit classical. Most soundtrack music, depending on what genre it's based on, can fit into the respective genres (video game, rock, even classical).

The naming is up to you guys (I'm personally for Cinematic).


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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-19 04:52:35

At 4/19/13 04:40 AM, TroisNyxEtienne wrote: (I'm personally for Cinematic).

Likewise.


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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-19 09:08:36

At 4/19/13 04:52 AM, Step wrote:
At 4/19/13 04:40 AM, TroisNyxEtienne wrote: (I'm personally for Cinematic).
Likewise.

Same. I think it describes the sound, while soundtrack is more of an identifier about what the music is to be used for... most music on Newgrounds is suitable for soundtrack, but only a little bit is cinematic.

I've seen a lot of these Cinematic composers, as Trois pointed out, who have to call their work Classical or Misc. My own music is more Cinematic in the sense that it's less like actual classical and more like that of a video game such as Age of Empires or Civilization (where I drew much of my early influence as a composer). I think a lot of composers enter this world likewise- listening to a film/game score and wanting to emulate- so I think Cinematic would be a good addition and the orchestral/classical counterpart of Video Game, which would clean up the crossover that exists with cinematic composers putting their work in Video Game, leaving that genre for traditional styles.


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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-19 12:59:46

Tbh, I have nothing against you guys adding less or more genres. In the end the decision comes from the admins who will decide the change, not any of us. So trolling you guys turn out to be quite useless (although I admit I had fun).

At 4/19/13 09:08 AM, samulis wrote:
At 4/19/13 04:52 AM, Step wrote:
At 4/19/13 04:40 AM, TroisNyxEtienne wrote: (I'm personally for Cinematic).
Likewise.
Same. I think it describes the sound, while soundtrack is more of an identifier about what the music is to be used for... most music on Newgrounds is suitable for soundtrack, but only a little bit is cinematic.

Cinematic will have some electronic elements in sometime right? It's going to be out of the genre's cover. Just my opinion...

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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-19 13:05:58

Does anyone else find it extremely funny that cinematic orchestral music and insane jazz pieces can be called "easy listening", but ambient is apparently not easy listening?


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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-19 13:13:37

At 4/19/13 01:05 PM, SkyeWintrest wrote: Does anyone else find it extremely funny that cinematic orchestral music and insane jazz pieces can be called "easy listening", but ambient is apparently not easy listening?

Yeah, I think beforehand ambient was just "ambient" but now it's only listed under "electronic".... though really, most of the pieces found in that category tended to be at least somewhat electronic


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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-19 13:42:07

At 4/19/13 01:05 PM, SkyeWintrest wrote: Does anyone else find it extremely funny that cinematic orchestral music and insane jazz pieces can be called "easy listening", but ambient is apparently not easy listening?

I like the new ideas so far! My biggest problem is the cringing I go through every time I post a "classical" piece and have to plaster "Easy Listening" onto it. Some notable examples of stuff that Newgrounds considers "Easy Listening". I feel a renaming or reordering is called for here, just my two cents. The title is terribly misleading.

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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-20 14:25:38

umm I doubt easy listening needs sub genre's.


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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-20 14:56:25

At 4/20/13 02:25 PM, DJRAV3N wrote: umm I doubt easy listening needs sub genre's.

What, when EDM has TWELVE?
See the various posts above, and explain why you think otherwise.


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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-20 15:07:48

At 4/20/13 02:56 PM, TroisNyxEtienne wrote:
At 4/20/13 02:25 PM, DJRAV3N wrote: umm I doubt easy listening needs sub genre's.
What, when EDM has TWELVE?
See the various posts above, and explain why you think otherwise.

Id rather not read through all this shit. Instead im going to explain why. First EDM should just be EDM, sub genre's are Stupid. I mean really Do we have to Define and label every piece Of music we make or hear? Electronic Dance Music can it get more simple than that? Same goes for easy listening, You Know where im going with This....


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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-20 15:14:12

I think the sub-genres are not meant for "labelling" music as such a thing or another-- even though it tends to have that side effect -- but rather as a guide for people who may be looking for specific pieces of music to suit their needs. I believe sub-genres are pretty useful in this regard. It helps when sorting through all the electronic music, for example. Having just one "Electronic" category is really broad - there's not just one kind of style they share, you now? So I think this is rather important.


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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-20 15:16:51

At 4/20/13 03:07 PM, DJRAV3N wrote:
At 4/20/13 02:56 PM, TroisNyxEtienne wrote:
At 4/20/13 02:25 PM, DJRAV3N wrote: umm I doubt easy listening needs sub genre's.
What, when EDM has TWELVE?
See the various posts above, and explain why you think otherwise.
Id rather not read through all this shit. Instead im going to explain why. First EDM should just be EDM, sub genre's are Stupid. I mean really Do we have to Define and label every piece Of music we make or hear? Electronic Dance Music can it get more simple than that? Same goes for easy listening, You Know where im going with This....

No, you have absolutely no idea where you're going.

The reason why people put things in subgenres is because (as was the case in the early years of the AP) when everything is lumped into one big category, it makes it HARDER for people to find songs that they are looking for in Flash submissions. Not everyone uses the Audio Forums; some of them have to be searched through lists.

If I were looking for something courageous along these lines and I can't find the song I'm looking for, I have to go with the same old convoluted procedure of the Audio Forum threads, which in 99% of cases turn out to be no more than shameless portfolio advertising threads which don't give me the song I need. Don't believe me? Just look for yourself through the AP history for threads looking for particular songs.

Also, people have specific preferences. It's going to cause a lot of dissatisfaction if I happen to love trance (which I do) but despise dubstep, and everything's lumped into the EDM category.


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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-20 15:22:20

At 4/20/13 03:16 PM, TroisNyxEtienne wrote:
At 4/20/13 03:07 PM, DJRAV3N wrote:
At 4/20/13 02:56 PM, TroisNyxEtienne wrote:
At 4/20/13 02:25 PM, DJRAV3N wrote: umm I doubt easy listening needs sub genre's.
What, when EDM has TWELVE?
See the various posts above, and explain why you think otherwise.
Id rather not read through all this shit. Instead im going to explain why. First EDM should just be EDM, sub genre's are Stupid. I mean really Do we have to Define and label every piece Of music we make or hear? Electronic Dance Music can it get more simple than that? Same goes for easy listening, You Know where im going with This....
No, you have absolutely no idea where you're going.

Actually I know EXACLY where im Going.

Obviously labeling a genre of a genre, the system is flawed. How well has it worked for NG?

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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-20 15:26:01

At 4/20/13 03:22 PM, DJRAV3N wrote:
At 4/20/13 03:16 PM, TroisNyxEtienne wrote:
At 4/20/13 03:07 PM, DJRAV3N wrote:
At 4/20/13 02:56 PM, TroisNyxEtienne wrote:
At 4/20/13 02:25 PM, DJRAV3N wrote: umm I doubt easy listening needs sub genre's.
What, when EDM has TWELVE?
See the various posts above, and explain why you think otherwise.
Id rather not read through all this shit. Instead im going to explain why. First EDM should just be EDM, sub genre's are Stupid. I mean really Do we have to Define and label every piece Of music we make or hear? Electronic Dance Music can it get more simple than that? Same goes for easy listening, You Know where im going with This....
No, you have absolutely no idea where you're going.
Actually I know EXACLY where im Going.

Obviously labeling a genre of a genre, the system is flawed. How well has it worked for NG?

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Quite well, in fact, that often new submissions in the particular genres have been featured in Flash submissions getting from Daily Fifth to Daily First. Mine aren't the only examples, but the point is that people look for specific genres because they get more sophisticated over time.

You should have been here long enough to realise that these things do happen, and to see it from a Flash artist's point of view....... unless you're unlucky enough to have not been featured even once.


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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-20 15:45:05


Quite well, in fact, that often new submissions in the particular genres have been featured in Flash submissions getting from Daily Fifth to Daily First. Mine aren't the only examples, but the point is that people look for specific genres because they get more sophisticated over time.

You should have been here long enough to realise that these things do happen, and to see it from a Flash artist's point of view....... unless you're unlucky enough to have not been featured even once.

I doubt that.

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No, I dont really come here often at all anymore. Been busy with labels and stuff behind the scenes, Living life.

You make it seem like being featured on a newgrounds video that only NG people are going to see is important. Like O.M.G!


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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-20 15:47:59

At 4/20/13 03:45 PM, DJRAV3N wrote:

Quite well, in fact, that often new submissions in the particular genres have been featured in Flash submissions getting from Daily Fifth to Daily First. Mine aren't the only examples, but the point is that people look for specific genres because they get more sophisticated over time.

You should have been here long enough to realise that these things do happen, and to see it from a Flash artist's point of view....... unless you're unlucky enough to have not been featured even once.
I doubt that.

Live by the Genre, Die by the Genre.

No, I dont really come here often at all anymore. Been busy with labels and stuff behind the scenes, Living life.

You make it seem like being featured on a newgrounds video that only NG people are going to see is important. Like O.M.G!

If you don't like it leave.

You clearly have some grudge against NG, probably because you didn't get the attention you wanted here.
Plenty other websites for you to troll and dick about on.

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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-20 15:51:41


You clearly have some grudge against NG, probably because you didn't get the attention you wanted here.
Plenty other websites for you to troll and dick about on.

Your funny I like you!

BTW: Im not trolling im telling the truth

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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-20 15:53:24

At 4/20/13 03:47 PM, LazyBucks wrote:
At 4/20/13 03:45 PM, DJRAV3N wrote:

Quite well, in fact, that often new submissions in the particular genres have been featured in Flash submissions getting from Daily Fifth to Daily First. Mine aren't the only examples, but the point is that people look for specific genres because they get more sophisticated over time.

You should have been here long enough to realise that these things do happen, and to see it from a Flash artist's point of view....... unless you're unlucky enough to have not been featured even once.
I doubt that.

Live by the Genre, Die by the Genre.

No, I dont really come here often at all anymore. Been busy with labels and stuff behind the scenes, Living life.

You make it seem like being featured on a newgrounds video that only NG people are going to see is important. Like O.M.G!
If you don't like it leave.

You clearly have some grudge against NG, probably because you didn't get the attention you wanted here.
Plenty other websites for you to troll and dick about on.

First of all, @DVRav3n, I thought I told you to piss off, you're bringing exactly nothing constructive to this debate and you're quite obviously trolling.

Secondly, @Lazybucks, that's a really bad argument. I agree about your base argument, but the "don't like it, don't use it" argument is total and utter bullshit. Constructive criticism is the building block to any successful venture, and you can't simply block criticism like that.

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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-20 15:56:49


First of all, @DVRav3n, I thought I told you to piss off, you're bringing exactly nothing constructive to this debate and you're quite obviously trolling.

Secondly, @Lazybucks, that's a really bad argument. I agree about your base argument, but the "don't like it, don't use it" argument is total and utter bullshit. Constructive criticism is the building block to any successful venture, and you can't simply block criticism like that.

Fair enough but to be honest there are too many trolls hitting up this thread and the last thing I want is the thread derailed and undermined by some pathetic trolls.

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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-20 16:00:32

First of all, @DVRav3n, I thought I told you to piss off, you're bringing exactly nothing constructive to this debate and you're quite obviously trolling.

Secondly, @Lazybucks, that's a really bad argument. I agree about your base argument, but the "don't like it, don't use it" argument is total and utter bullshit. Constructive criticism is the building block to any successful venture, and you can't simply block criticism like that.

First of all im not trolling. If I remember correctly you all attacked me. I was just sharing some knowledge. Dont Get Mad because I exposed newgrounds audio portal as the Circle Jerk it is. I like how your telling me to piss off like you own this website?


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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-20 16:10:59

At 4/20/13 04:00 PM, DJRAV3N wrote:
First of all, @DVRav3n, I thought I told you to piss off, you're bringing exactly nothing constructive to this debate and you're quite obviously trolling.

Secondly, @Lazybucks, that's a really bad argument. I agree about your base argument, but the "don't like it, don't use it" argument is total and utter bullshit. Constructive criticism is the building block to any successful venture, and you can't simply block criticism like that.
First of all im not trolling. If I remember correctly you all attacked me. I was just sharing some knowledge. Dont Get Mad because I exposed newgrounds audio portal as the Circle Jerk it is. I like how your telling me to piss off like you own this website?

I don't even know what you're blathering on about, who you are, or where you came from. How about you go back to your little indie "label" or whatever you call it and only make suggestions if you're going to participate in the end result (i.e. are a person who presently writes "easy listening" and submit your work gladly to Newgrounds and participate in the Audio Portal community regularly and constructively).

Back on topic...

So what is our final list for submission to the higher authority? Anyone want to piece it together so we can send it in to Tom or whomever is needed? I'd really like to see this going soon. Maybe then we can get that Zans Himmer thing going. :3


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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-20 16:15:18

I don't even know what you're blathering on about, who you are, or where you came from. How about you go back to your little indie "label" or whatever you call it and only make suggestions if you're going to participate in the end result (i.e. are a person who presently writes "easy listening" and submit your work gladly to Newgrounds and participate in the Audio Portal community regularly and constructively).

Back on topic...

So what is our final list for submission to the higher authority? Anyone want to piece it together so we can send it in to Tom or whomever is needed? I'd really like to see this going soon. Maybe then we can get that Zans Himmer thing going. :3

Its ok I have no idea who you are and why you are talking to me. I could make this personal and talk about your music but im not going to do that. No the label is by far not indy.


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Response to More "easy Listening" Sub-genres 2013-04-20 17:40:24

This is why "add more genres" threads don't work out.

RIP thread.