Since Barry got in...

[Kel-chan]

National debt going to 17 trillion...we've now had ..our consulate drug through the streets of libya and murdered...an untold number of bizarre mass shootings...the Boston marathon bombed ....and threatened with "thermonuclear war" almost on a daily basis. Record number of ppl on foodstamps. Labor participation rates at all time lowes and DHS arming up with 2billion rounds of hollow point whilst demonizing lawful citizens from owning any weapon.

...just sayin'....

[Earfetish]

Are you 'just sayin' that these things would not have happened with McCain or Romney? Articulate reasons why. Thanks

[Kel-chan]

Adding to that a doubling down on bush policies , increase in the number and use of drones and proliferation, NDAA, continuation of afghanistan wars, operations in yemen, libya and syria and other countries moving away from the dollar as the reserve currency, doubling down on failed fed policy, refusal to prosecute anybody for any criminal malfeasance in the 2008 crisis, more banker bailouts. Sanctioned theft of customer funds at MF Global and PFG best. Implementation of an unapportioned tax of healthcare and the "monsanto protection act"

[Kel-chan]

At 4/17/13 06:00 AM, Earfetish wrote: Are you 'just sayin' that these things would not have happened with McCain or Romney? Articulate reasons why. Thanks

no that is not my point and i'm not shilling for the right wing- just stating things that have taken place

[Earfetish]

At 4/17/13 06:03 AM, Kel-chan wrote:

At 4/17/13 06:00 AM, Earfetish wrote: Are you 'just sayin' that these things would not have happened with McCain or Romney? Articulate reasons why. Thanks

no that is not my point and i'm not shilling for the right wing- just stating things that have taken place

yeah well I quit smoking since 'Barry' came in. GoBAMA! What's the point in mentioning Obama if you're not even discussing his policies, you're just listing 'things that happened in the last few years'?

[Sense-Offender]

At 4/17/13 06:03 AM, Kel-chan wrote:

At 4/17/13 06:00 AM, Earfetish wrote: Are you 'just sayin' that these things would not have happened with McCain or Romney? Articulate reasons why. Thanks

no that is not my point and i'm not shilling for the right wing- just stating things that have taken place

Then what's your point? Why did you make this thread?

Since I read your post, I got an itch on my balls. Just sayin'.

[Kel-chan]

don't be butthurt

[Camarohusky]

At 4/17/13 05:52 AM, Kel-chan wrote: ...just sayin'....

And? Your point?

[Kel-chan]

At 4/17/13 05:44 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 4/17/13 05:52 AM, Kel-chan wrote: ...just sayin'....

And? Your point?

if it was Bush people would all be raging and having marches and demonstrations about all this and you'd hear it on the news 24/7 about how evil he and the repubs are for mismanaging everything.

not a peep this time around however. Maybe its because everybody is on SSI disability, unemployment insurance, and foodstams and they dont wanna rock the boat.

I mean geez. Everybody bitches about what happened in cyprus but there was hardly anything about MFglobal and PFG best WHERE THE SAME DAMN THING HAPPENED. People can dismiss it as being isolated incidents but it also happened with Indy Mac and it set the precedent for Cyprus so that your bank accounts and 401ks and IRAs are NOT SAFE.

[Sense-Offender]

At 4/17/13 05:33 PM, Kel-chan wrote: don't be butthurt

Who's butthurt? We can't call you out for making a stupid thread and making absolutely no point?

At 4/17/13 06:08 PM, Kel-chan wrote:

At 4/17/13 05:44 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 4/17/13 05:52 AM, Kel-chan wrote: ...just sayin'....

And? Your point?

if it was Bush people would all be raging and having marches and demonstrations about all this and you'd hear it on the news 24/7 about how evil he and the repubs are for mismanaging everything.

Oh, so you're not "just stating things that have taken place". You're trying to insinuate something. What are you saying? That all of those things you mentioned are his fault? What?

[Kel-chan]

I just made my point in the post above yours

i guess you neglected to read it because youwere butthurt

[Kel-chan]

and no i'm not saying its one man's fault. Everything that happened under bush jr wasn't his fault, although his administration played a role.

What i'm complaining about is the lack of visibility these things seem to have now, where as everybody knew what bush was about.

Oh and Cispa passed

[LemonCrush]

At 4/17/13 05:52 AM, Kel-chan wrote:

...just sayin'....

Let's not forget the selling of guns to terrorists in Mexico

[LemonCrush]

At 4/17/13 06:00 AM, Earfetish wrote: Are you 'just sayin' that these things would not have happened with McCain or Romney? Articulate reasons why. Thanks

Nice try at a dodge, but let's get back to reality. We're living on a planet where Obama has been POTUS since 2009. Try to stay in THIS reality, please. Let's not deal in hypotheticals or imaginary speculation. Let's deal with the facts of this dimension, thanks.

[Kel-chan]

At 4/17/13 08:15 PM, LemonCrush wrote:

At 4/17/13 05:52 AM, Kel-chan wrote:

...just sayin'....

Let's not forget the selling of guns to terrorists in Mexico

yah i totally forgot about Fast and furious... also eric holder on mic saying they needed to make americans hate guns. When it was Alberto Gonzales as atty gen- everybody knew he was crooked and he was called out on it just like rice, rumsfeld and cheney. This time it seems nobody can do no wrong no matter how egregious the violations are

I'm not blaming one man but its quite clear that this administration just like so many others in the past is full of self serving crooks and ne'er do wells.

I actually kinda don't have a problem with that either because its nothing new.

What i DO have issue with is the total lack of anybody calling them out on it and the blind denial people are in. If you truly want an equal america then when your pet potus does something wrong call them out and demand better

[aviewaskewed]

People call him on it. Conservatives call him on shit that isn't even within his control. Liberals don't so much because, well, like conservatives, they hate to admit when one of their own fucks up...or is believed to have fucked up. The mainstream press doesn't criticize anyone or anything that their masters tell them is off limits, or that they think won't get them higher ratings. But you look around and Obama is certainly being attacked and sometimes even to the levels of a Bush.

Clinton still seems to be the President that's sacrosanct, the Reagan of the Democratic side. Even though neither he nor Regan deserve such considerations.

[Warforger]

At 4/17/13 06:08 PM, Kel-chan wrote: if it was Bush people would all be raging and having marches and demonstrations about all this and you'd hear it on the news 24/7 about how evil he and the repubs are for mismanaging everything.

Speaking of Bush we had the deadliest terrorist attack in history occur under his watch in the United States. He also started 2 wars, essentially lost the Afghan war because he decided instead of finishing off the Taliban he would invade Iraq and unleashed a storm of ethnic conflict in Iraq. He also incurred deficits from surplus and started this trend of large deficits. Again anyway, it was Reagan who started this whole trend of huge deficits.

not a peep this time around however. Maybe its because everybody is on SSI disability, unemployment insurance, and foodstams and they dont wanna rock the boat.

Maybe it's not....

I mean geez. Everybody bitches about what happened in cyprus but there was hardly anything about MFglobal and PFG best WHERE THE SAME DAMN THING HAPPENED. People can dismiss it as being isolated incidents but it also happened with Indy Mac and it set the precedent for Cyprus so that your bank accounts and 401ks and IRAs are NOT SAFE.

Wait Cyprus was just the EU dicking around, as far as I know nothing would have happened had the EU not forced a 9% tax on bank deposits. No one in the US including Senators in Congress who don't have a grasp of economics (no seriously you just need to watch any testimony given by the Federal Reserve Chairmen when senators from say Idaho are questioning him, it's quite pathetic seeing how little they understand) is stupid enough to do that.

[Dawnslayer]

*peeks outside the bomb shelter*

Aview didn't lock? Is it safe to post?

Okay, Kei-chan, here's the thing: if I wanted a per-item list of everything Obama's administration has screwed up, I'd go find a blog about it. I come to a forum because I like to have a multi-directional conversation with people about such issues. You could have started this thread by saying something like, "I feel Barack Obama and his administration aren't being properly scrutinized for their actions. Here's a couple examples. Do you agree, and if so what should be done to rectify this?" Instead, it came off as yet another nonsensical tirade about how stupid everyone else but you is for not seeing his evil ways, when in reality a lot of us do see these things and are angered by them but are uncertain as to what course of action should or can be taken, on the part of ourselves or others. (Disempowerment has a funny way of making people quiet.)

In other words, kindly get off your high horse, you're not the only thinking person on the planet. Thank you.

[Kel-chan]

At 4/17/13 11:20 PM, Dawnslayer wrote: , "I feel Barack Obama and his administration aren't being properly scrutinized for their actions. Here's a couple examples. Do you agree, and if so what should be done to rectify this?" Instead, it came off as yet another nonsensical tirade about how stupid everyone else but you is for not seeing his evil ways, when in reality a lot of us do see these things and are angered by them but are uncertain as to what course of action should or can be taken, on the part of ourselves or others. (Disempowerment has a funny way of making people quiet.)

In other words, kindly get off your high horse, you're not the only thinking person on the planet. Thank you.

then why bother to post in this thread....

I started this thread so people would talk about this stuff or... I could've started a thread for each specific issue

[Camarohusky]

At 4/17/13 11:20 PM, Dawnslayer wrote: In other words, kindly get off your high horse, you're not the only thinking person on the planet. Thank you.

He's going the conservative rout toward debate: making a bold statement or action thus grabbing people's attention and getting their minds on the issue, often making those who disagree angry and thus look like the bad guy.

Limbaugh and FOX news have made bank on this sort of yellow journalistic type thinking.

[Sense-Offender]

At 4/17/13 07:56 PM, Kel-chan wrote: I just made my point in the post above yours

i guess you neglected to read it because youwere butthurt

My butt feels fine, bud.

So, what is your point, then? Obama doesn't face enough criticism? I hear people complain about him constantly. Most of the people I know complain about him, and the media jumps at every chance to talk shit about him.

At 4/17/13 07:59 PM, Kel-chan wrote: and no i'm not saying its one man's fault. Everything that happened under bush jr wasn't his fault, although his administration played a role.

So, what do the shootings or the Boston bombing have to do with this? Did the Obama administration "play a role"? Why would you bring those things up?

[Earfetish]

At 4/17/13 08:17 PM, LemonCrush wrote:

At 4/17/13 06:00 AM, Earfetish wrote: Are you 'just sayin' that these things would not have happened with McCain or Romney? Articulate reasons why. Thanks

Nice try at a dodge, but let's get back to reality. We're living on a planet where Obama has been POTUS since 2009. Try to stay in THIS reality, please. Let's not deal in hypotheticals or imaginary speculation. Let's deal with the facts of this dimension, thanks.

Uh I wasn't trying a 'dodge', I was just trying to drag a topic of debate out of the OP. Other posters seemed to recognise this and tried similar tactics with the OP. duh

[HibiscusMallow]

At 4/17/13 06:00 AM, Earfetish wrote: Are you 'just sayin' that these things would not have happened with McCain or Romney?

So what if something similar would have happened with the Republicans in power? Democrat or Republican, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

Articulate reasons why.

There is a left wing versus right wing false dichotomy going on and everyone throws a hissy fit whenever someone mentions the possibility of a third party. At the moment and all things considered, there is no viable multi-party political culture. However political parties do not spring out of thin air, they develop over many years as they grow government positions are gradually ceded to them and they learn from their experience, amending their previous positions. At the moment the libertarian/green/constitution party are full of nuts but if they suddenly developed a significant voting base that sees them as a potential for the future but is apprehensive about a minority of their more ridiculous supporters then the party will favor the general public over the nuts and make efforts to become a viable moderate mainstream party.

Thanks

You're welcome.

[NecroNympho]

At 4/19/13 05:07 AM, HibiscusMallow wrote: importance of third parties

agreed. Hey I'm not an Obama fan seriously, I was just trying to provoke conversation.

[HibiscusMallow]

At 4/19/13 05:22 AM, NecroNympho wrote:

third parties

agreed. Hey I'm not an Obama fan seriously, I was just trying to provoke conversation.

That's right, people assume if you oppose something it means you support the opposite.

I suppose another solution is you could try and change one of the 2 major parties. It depends on which has more chance of success, growing a small party or changing a major party.

[poxpower]

Yes I agree.
But that may be because all I watch on the News is TYT and the Daily Show. So far though they have proven to be far better sources than the mainstream media, which isn't so much media as propaganda at this point.
CNN, Msnbc, Fox... Just garbage. From the number of times I see people post misguided reports about things like this online.. It's staggering. The only thing these people are able to report seems to be puppy hug conventions and black people drug crimes.

If anyone watches TYT, you'll have a healthy dose of hatred for Obama by now. Truly the least partisan news show probably ever and hosted by real people who don't have to cater to sponsors and politicians nonstop to keep being on the air. The boss of the network doesn't take any shit from the politicians and bosses who usually tell news anchors what to say and what to report. He got fired from msnbc right quick because of that.

I've seen nothing in the last 4 years to convince me that Obama isn't a shill. Yeah he's charismatic and says reasonable things but when it comes time for him to actually do what he says, he folds like a lawn chair every time. He's a bitch. The weakest leader of all time. He's the kind of guy who listens to credit card insurance pitches from telemarketers for half an hour before telling them he's not interested.

What a weiner.
http://www.wolf-pac.com/

[Ericho]

At 4/19/13 11:00 AM, poxpower wrote: The weakest leader of all time.

Going to have to disagree with you on that one. What about President John Tyler? The guy had his entire cabinet quit except for one person and he had rocks thrown at the White House. The fact that you barely know anything about him just shows how incompetant he was. I give Obama credit for passing health care reform and promoting gay rights more than any President in history.

[Korriken]

At 4/20/13 10:38 AM, Ericho wrote:

Going to have to disagree with you on that one. What about President John Tyler?

The guy had his entire cabinet quit except for one person and he had rocks thrown at the White House. The fact that you barely know anything about him just shows how incompetant he was.

Given how many of Abraham Lincoln;s cabinet ditched him, I don't see your logic.

I give Obama credit for passing health care reform and promoting gay rights more than any President in history.

you mean the fluke after he got elected where his party had a large enough majority to steamroll the competition on absolutely anything and STILL failed to get anything done except Obamacare? Had he not had such a massive majority, he wouldn't have even gotten THAT handled. It took many closed door meetings and more arm wrenching and sweeteners and I've ever seen in politics to get it done.

Also, Obama was against gay marriage until his reelection, then suddenly came out in support, after Biden did. Of course, no one in the media is going to call him out on it.

[Kel-chan]

At 4/20/13 10:38 AM, Ericho wrote:

At 4/19/13 11:00 AM, poxpower wrote: The weakest leader of all time.

Going to have to disagree with you on that one. What about President John Tyler? The guy had his entire cabinet quit except for one person and he had rocks thrown at the White House. The fact that you barely know anything about him just shows how incompetant he was. I give Obama credit for passing health care reform and promoting gay rights more than any President in history.

If there weren't superPAC's and bribery and non-enforcement of the law today i wonder how many people would've quit .Also considering if you threw a rock at the WH today you'd have about a million SS on your ass in 2 seconds so the comparison is moot.

[LemonCrush]

At 4/17/13 10:53 PM, Warforger wrote:

Speaking of Bush we had the deadliest terrorist attack in history occur under his watch in the United States. He also started 2 wars, essentially lost the Afghan war because he decided instead of finishing off the Taliban he would invade Iraq and unleashed a storm of ethnic conflict in Iraq. He also incurred deficits from surplus and started this trend of large deficits. Again anyway, it was Reagan who started this whole trend of huge deficits.

Clearly, the correct fix is started 3 more wars, sending more troops to our existing wars, and even more deficit spending, right? i mean, that's what you're saying here right? The best way to fix a fuckup is keep doing it?