Boston bombing

[LordJaric]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/15/17764747-explosio ns-rock-finish-of-boston-marathon-2-killed-and-at-least-23-h urt-police-say?lite

Just going to repost what I post in the comments on the site.

Let's not jump to conclusions we don't know much about what happened so before we start the blame game and start screaming terrorist and point fingers between the republicans and democrats lets wait for more information. For all we know this was the act of a nut case, not a terrorist group.

[Demonbrunch]

At 4/15/13 04:18 PM, LordJaric wrote: Let's not jump to conclusions

Such a crazy world we're living in.

[Camarohusky]

Well, by its very nature the bombings are an act of terrorism, by whom and to what ends remains to be seen.

[Ceratisa]

Just not enough details, yet.

[RacistBassist]

Facebook, at least the asshats on mine, is already blowing up with some people claiming it's a tax day protest done by a right wing fanatic, and the other people talking about how of course this is muslim extremists. Granted, there is a Saudi Arabian national in custody, but god damn, did they have to immediately jump to that conclusion and stand firm with it?

[Ceratisa]

At 4/15/13 06:47 PM, RacistBassist wrote: Facebook, at least the asshats on mine, is already blowing up with some people claiming it's a tax day protest done by a right wing fanatic, and the other people talking about how of course this is muslim extremists. Granted, there is a Saudi Arabian national in custody, but god damn, did they have to immediately jump to that conclusion and stand firm with it?

I get really sick of the political mud slinging that immediately follows these events in the social media nowadays.

[RydiaLockheart]

At 4/15/13 06:47 PM, RacistBassist wrote: Facebook, at least the asshats on mine, is already blowing up with some people claiming it's a tax day protest done by a right wing fanatic, and the other people talking about how of course this is muslim extremists. Granted, there is a Saudi Arabian national in custody, but god damn, did they have to immediately jump to that conclusion and stand firm with it?

Apparently that report is false. Though if they did grab a Saudi Arabian, it could be because he was brown and nearby. Though anyone who was too close to those bombs would probably be in several pieces if they were detonating them by hand.

[Blue-SilverDragon]

At 4/15/13 07:04 PM, Ceratisa wrote: I get really sick of the political mud slinging that immediately follows these events in the social media nowadays.

I agree with you on political mud slinging- on any level.

[Thecrazyman]

At 4/15/13 05:58 PM, Demonbrunch wrote:

At 4/15/13 04:18 PM, LordJaric wrote: Let's not jump to conclusions

Such a crazy world we're living in.

The world is a dangerous place, even before such an event took place, it always has been and always will be a dangerous place, more or less matters not.

Only thing that matters so is to find the perpetrators responsible for the Boston Marathon Bombings and make them answer for such horrific crime.

[aviewaskewed]

At 4/15/13 06:47 PM, RacistBassist wrote: Granted, there is a Saudi Arabian national in custody, but god damn, did they have to immediately jump to that conclusion and stand firm with it?

Of course they did. Because it's clearly not racism when you declare a brown person from the middle east is a terrorist, everybody knows they all are! *eye roll at america*

[Korriken]

well here's my take on it. Someone set off the bombs on purpose. Someone with an agenda. If it turns out to be muslim jihadists, I won't be surprised. Question is, WHO, other than Jihadists would want to set off bombs at such an event?

Guess we'll just have to wait and find out.

[Warforger]

At 4/16/13 12:51 AM, Korriken wrote: well here's my take on it. Someone set off the bombs on purpose. Someone with an agenda. If it turns out to be muslim jihadists, I won't be surprised. Question is, WHO, other than Jihadists would want to set off bombs at such an event?

Guess we'll just have to wait and find out.

Because people are crazy. It could be anyone from Neo=Nazi's to Jihadists to Radical Christian terrorists as far as we know, it might even be some random crazy guy who wants to draw attention to himself and create a rather spectacular story. It's sad to say but Jihadists may not even be the first guess when it comes to terrorist attacks.

[Feoric]

I'm looking at all the past domestic terror incidents we've had in this country and I, too, am struggling to think of any person or organization that could have done this which does not have radical Islamic views.

[Korriken]

At 4/16/13 01:09 AM, Warforger wrote:

Because people are crazy. It could be anyone from Neo=Nazi's

When was the last time Neo Nazis did anything but shave their head and bitch?

to Jihadists

I'd almost be willing to bet this is the product of evolution in Jihadist thinking.

to Radical Christian terrorists

This isn't Ireland.

as far as we know, it might even be some random crazy guy who wants to draw attention to himself and create a rather spectacular story.

Random Crazy Guy would be my second guess. Feels too coordinated to be a random crazy guy though. perhaps a random crazy group.

It's sad to say but Jihadists may not even be the first guess when it comes to terrorist attacks.

As far as I can tell, this looks a lot like the MO seen in other countries. predictable crowds of people? bomb them. Also, given that today is Patriot's day, it would be the perfect time to 'attack America'

Either way, we'll just have to wait and find out.

[Dimitrilium]

The new world order zionists did it.

[aviewaskewed]

The fact that no one took credit yet makes me feel less like it's a jihadist group and more likely a home grown crazy with an ax to grind. Usually this stuff happens and jihadists have a hand, their pretty quick to get to a safe place and then start bragging. I really think this is home grown terror. For me I'd like to know why again we're still paying for Homeland Security and something like this can still happen.

[Feoric]

At 4/16/13 03:18 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: For me I'd like to know why again we're still paying for Homeland Security and something like this can still happen.

Because it's literally impossible to stop terrorism, no matter what the budget is.

[tyler2513]

My main concern is what the motivation may have been. Also I'm enjoying the legitimate chats about this issue before insensitive assholes start flooding the 'net with their conspiracies.

[Angry-Hatter]

At 4/16/13 01:15 AM, Korriken wrote: When was the last time Neo Nazis did anything but shave their head and bitch?

Wade Michael Page.

to Radical Christian terrorists

This isn't Ireland.

Hutaree.

as far as we know, it might even be some random crazy guy who wants to draw attention to himself and create a rather spectacular story.

Random Crazy Guy would be my second guess. Feels too coordinated to be a random crazy guy though. perhaps a random crazy group.

Anders Behring Breivik. I was initially worried that the bombing in Boston was modelled after Breivik's attack - setting off explosions meant as distractions for the police and EMT's, allowing the assailant to go after his real target. Enough time has passed that this scenario is no longer too likely, but still, Breivik was a lone nut who acted alone. There's no reason why the same couldn't be the case in the Boston bombings.

As far as I can tell, this looks a lot like the MO seen in other countries. predictable crowds of people? bomb them. Also, given that today is Patriot's day, it would be the perfect time to 'attack America'

My gut tells me that Jihadists feel wrong for this. For one, it's not targetting a government building or institution, but rather the crowd at the Boston Marathon, a major point of pride for Massachusetts and Boston. If the bomber had wanted to target a government building, there would have been plenty of targets availiable just around the corner.

Targetting civilians like this seems more personal somehow, like someone has a grudge against Mass in particular, which tells me that this is a Massachusetts native with some kind of axe to grind.

I might be wrong, obviously, and this is just speculation. You're quite right that we'll just have to wait and see.

[Korriken]

At 4/16/13 10:26 AM, Angry-Hatter wrote:

Anders Behring Breivik. I was initially worried that the bombing in Boston was modelled after Breivik's attack - setting off explosions meant as distractions for the police and EMT's, allowing the assailant to go after his real target. Enough time has passed that this scenario is no longer too likely, but still, Breivik was a lone nut who acted alone. There's no reason why the same couldn't be the case in the Boston bombings.

Perhaps.

My gut tells me that Jihadists feel wrong for this. For one, it's not targetting a government building or institution,

but rather the crowd at the Boston Marathon, a major point of pride for Massachusetts and Boston.

exactly why it would be a prime target for Jihadists. the idea is to instill fear in the enemy.

If the bomber had wanted to target a government building, there would have been plenty of targets availiable just around the corner.

They didn't hit the WTC simply because it was a government building. no, they hit the WTC because it was a symbol of American power. The Boston Marathon has been around since 1897. It's a point of pride for Americans. perfect reason to hit it.

Targetting civilians like this seems more personal somehow, like someone has a grudge against Mass in particular, which tells me that this is a Massachusetts native with some kind of axe to grind.

Most people with an axe to grind show up with a gun and start shooting. Whoever did this did it to terrorize people and cause as much pain as suffering as possible.

[Angry-Hatter]

At 4/16/13 10:37 AM, Korriken wrote: They didn't hit the WTC simply because it was a government building. no, they hit the WTC because it was a symbol of American power. The Boston Marathon has been around since 1897. It's a point of pride for Americans. perfect reason to hit it.

No, the intended attack on the White House was more of a symbolic move than WTC, but even that one had a purpose. They specifically targeted buildings that would help cripple the US; the Pentagon, to cripple the US military leadership; the White House, to cripple the Executive; and the WTC, to cripple the economy. Harming civilians was a secondary concern at best and far from their primary concern.

With the Boston bombing, killing civilians (specifically, the spectators of the Boston Marathon) was the main goal of whoever is responsible. But if you wanted to REALLY cause maximum damage, why target the Marathon? As someone who lives in Boston, I can tell you that all you'd have to do is plant and set off a bomb on a couple of trains and/or buses during rush hour and you could easily take out several dozen people and injure many more. Setting your bombs off at the finish line of the Boston Marathon was a seriously inefficient way of doing it, especially considering that there would already be tons EMT's and police nearby that could help people.

Blowing up a train on any random day would inspire even greater panic since trains run all the time and everyone uses them everyday, but the Boston Marathon only comes once a year. This tells me that the bomber valued the symbolism of blowing up the Marathon finish line more than causing fear and spreading terror. Since when was Jihadists more concerned about showmanship than actual results? The London Underground bombings is a prime example of how such a bombing would be carried out.

Most people with an axe to grind show up with a gun and start shooting. Whoever did this did it to terrorize people and cause as much pain as suffering as possible.

Different strokes for different folks, by which I mean, the guy who sets off a bomb to kill people is a completely different animal from the kind of guy who walks into a crowded place and starts shooting people in the face. Bombers are (generally) cowards. They don't have the guts to put themselves in harms way or to look their victims in the eye. The spree shooter or the suicide bomber type have quite a bit more "courage", if that word may be used in this context, either through some reckless disregard for his own life or through some intense conviction in a cause greater than themselves.

It should be telling that the bombs were remote controlled; this to me suggests that it was a traditional bomber rather than a religious or political fanatic willing to die for a cause.

[Korriken]

So, how long do you think it will be before people come up with insane conspiracy theories?

because, you know, this was an inside job by the Obama administration to get people's attention and distract them from... something else... according to someone. *shrug*

Let the Boston Bombing Truther movement commence, because for every event, there's a conspiracy theory.

[Angry-Hatter]

At 4/16/13 01:56 PM, Korriken wrote: So, how long do you think it will be before people come up with insane conspiracy theories?

Try, less than 10 hours.

[tyler2513]

At 4/16/13 02:30 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote:

At 4/16/13 01:56 PM, Korriken wrote: So, how long do you think it will be before people come up with insane conspiracy theories?

Try, less than 10 hours.

Unbelievable, my friend attempted to bring up something about the Obama administration knowing of this device before it's explosion and he was immediately told to shut the fuck up. America's modern day "Conspiracy Culture" really pisses me off. 99.99% of the conspiracies are shitty and just based around the fact that people need to feel "that the media is lying to them" all the time.

[aviewaskewed]

At 4/16/13 03:39 AM, Feoric wrote: Because it's literally impossible to stop terrorism, no matter what the budget is.

I'm aware it's not possible to stop every instance, but the finish line of a marathon is a place where there should be all kinds of security and yet the perpetrator(s) were able to plant these bombs into trashcans only yards away. If we're going to keep spending billions on prevention, why didn't somebody think a major event like this could use some more security.

[LordJaric]

It appears that a poisoned letter was attempted to be mailed to a Senator.It appears that a poisoned letter was attempted to be mailed to a Senator.

There is not much to go on with this short article, even it is stating more testing needs to be done. For this to happen a day after the bombing seems to much to be a coincidence. Odds are they may be connected.

[Warforger]

At 4/16/13 01:15 AM, Korriken wrote: When was the last time Neo Nazis did anything but shave their head and bitch?

Neo-Nazi's are like Crips, you may not take their lifestyle seriously but they are in fact criminals who go out and kill people. Now to varying degree's I guess, Timothy McVeigh wore a shirt that said white power before at a KKK rally and he had a copy of the Turner Diaries which was a Neo-Nazi book about a fantasy where the Neo-Nazi's take over the government and destroy Israel. In it there was a fictional account of the main hero's blowing up an FBI building....something which McVeigh emulated to nearly every detail in his actual attack.

I'd almost be willing to bet this is the product of evolution in Jihadist thinking.

Yes when there are plenty of other terrorist groups around your first guess is Jihadists.

This isn't Ireland.

You're right, it's just a place where Christian terrorist bomb civilians.

Random Crazy Guy would be my second guess. Feels too coordinated to be a random crazy guy though. perhaps a random crazy group.

Considering that's often the case I don't see why it isn't your first guess.

As far as I can tell, this looks a lot like the MO seen in other countries. predictable crowds of people? bomb them. Also, given that today is Patriot's day, it would be the perfect time to 'attack America'

The MO seen in other countries is attacks on government buildings, not killing civilians.

[GamerColyn117]

This is a very sad proof that people are just wanting to watch others hurt and die. I am deeply saddened by what our world has come to. There are many theories still and no one needs to jump to conclusions here.

There was one thing that I heard about today that angered me beyond belief:

The police and some FBI agents had a Saudi Arabian man in custody in the hospital. Upon hearing this I was enraged at the way even the government was jumping to conclusions. Just because there was a Saudi Arabian man injured and at the race, doesn't mean that he was the terrorist/culprit. Like for real?!?! Seeing that man as an automatic suspect and going as far as to detain him as a "possible criminal" just because he was from Saudi Arabia is a complete violation of US rights.

The news said that although the police are supposed to read the Miranda Rights, the situation at hand called for a different use of the rights. That is all crap! No matter the situation, all people in the United States are allowed rights. Just because there was a bombing and there was a Middle Eastern man injured and on the scene doesn't give the authorities the right to detain him.

I am not bashing the police who did this, or the thought process of the government officials that allowed it. I am bashing the media, because once again they overreact about these situations and blow them way out of proportion. If the media wasn't allowed the access to information like this, I think that many situations like this wouldn't distort the views of Americans towards other countries like Saudi Arabia in this case.

I am very sad that any person; no matter race, religion, or sex would want to hurt a large group of people like this for any reason. My thoughts and prayers are with the families of those injured or lost in this tragic event.

[orangebomb]

At 4/16/13 01:56 PM, Korriken wrote: So, how long do you think it will be before people come up with insane conspiracy theories?

Give it time. I just know a few users here {won't give out their names} who are more than willing to create a conspiracy theories out of their ass.

Let the Boston Bombing Truther movement commence, because for every event, there's a conspiracy theory.

It makes me wonder why do people make this kind of stuff up, even when all the evidence says that a terrorist group did it and claimed responsibility soon after. Granted, there has been no suspects of the Boston bombings as of now, but you just know that conspiracy theorists will still make up some type of scapegoat and pin it on the government.

[Camarohusky]

At 4/16/13 09:29 PM, GamerColyn117 wrote: The news said that although the police are supposed to read the Miranda Rights, the situation at hand called for a different use of the rights. That is all crap! No matter the situation, all people in the United States are allowed rights.

First off, no. Not all people in the US are allowed rights. The US Constitution only applies to citizens, any extensions of those rights and privilages to others is a gift, not a requirement.

Second, the nature of terrorism turns civilian criminal law on its head. In no place in civilian law was there the possibility of hundreds or thousands of people being injured instantaneously. The main goal of civilian criminal justice is to create deterrence and incapacitation through convitions. The main goal of terrorism criminal justice is to stop another attack from happening asap. The pure volume of carnage with which terrorism can strike means there is avery high level of exigency. That exigency renders the very slow moving civilian criminal justice process highly obstructive.

I am very sad that any person; no matter race, religion, or sex would want to hurt a large group of people like this for any reason.

Very true, but before I make any conclusions on the issue, even the overly maudlin (thus feeling forced and faked) 'boston solidarity' that is out there, until I hear more about the who and the why.