At 4/16/13 10:23 AM, Ganon-Dorf wrote:
if I find it funny that someone wants to say "I heard the Boston Marathon was a blast!" who's to say that I can't find it funny, or shouldn't? What about 9/11 jokes, are these by people lacking empathy?
Fine, okay, let me rephrase it. Finding those kinds of jokes funny doesn't necessarily mean you lack empathy, it could just mean you're stupid. "Humor" based solely around shock value is the cheapest, laziest, lowest form of humor there is. Fundamentally it's no different from a preschooler laughing at the mere mention of the word "poop," only in practice it's much worse because here it involves mean-spiritedly making light of other people's very real misery, not to mention that you're (presumably) an adult and you should know better.
Saying that something is ethically wrong is just an appeal to whatever system of ethics you happen to adhere to
Why don't we just cut through the pseudo-philosophical bullshit and get to the point? You have a family and friends, you live and function in a civil society, right? Zachary is totally right. You wouldn't fucking dare make, laugh at, or defend these kinds of jokes in public, in real life, and you know it, and you know why.
I want people to make all the politically incorrect jokes they can, if people would stop reacting and start engaging with things then maybe they might learn something about the situation at hand.
But this is the exact opposite of that. These jokes are a deliberate refusal to engage with what's happened, an immature attempt to keep it at arm's length so you don't have to deal with the gravity of the event.
Your further claim that people that make these kinds of jokes will "never amount to anything" is hilarious to me, as all I have to do is point out the careers of people like George Carlin, Tarantino, and Mitch Hedberg, who all have made livings off of the obscene.
That's totally different. The "obscene" humor of the likes of Carlin, Tarantino and Hedberg (was he really all that obscene?) is pointed and clever and subversive. They actually have something to say, not just "look at me! Look at how shocking I am!" This is why Louis C.K. can navigate certain comic minefields that Daniel Tosh can't.
But it's not a cut-and-dry, black-and-white thing. People just have to actually think before they speak and make a judgment call for themselves about what is and is not worth saying.
At 4/16/13 10:40 AM, Zachary wrote:
Now you'll probably say something along the lines of, "But I would say that in real life! I bench 350 pounds I don't care!", but the reality of the situation is you wouldn't because you'd be afraid to get your glass jaw rocked.
I'll actually give him the benefit of the doubt and say that guilt, respect, and basic politeness and awareness of social rules are probably factors in that too, not just fear of reprisal.
The Internet gives us a buffer zone of detached anonymity, but it's an artificial barrier. When it comes down to it, behind every avatar sits a real, flesh-and-blood human being. I try not to forget that when I'm writing my posts, and I'll readily admit that I'm not always successful, but especially in sensitive times like this I think it's important that we take a step back before we post and at least try.
There are probably quite a few people on here from Boston, and many more who have family or friends there. To brazenly dismiss their feelings for the sake of cheap shock humor is ignorant and selfish.
At 4/16/13 10:35 AM, FBIpolux wrote:
It seems to me that all you people are just looking for any excuse to jump at each other's throats
Y'know, I'll admit that to a certain extent you're probably right. Because these events make me sad and angry and confused and frustrated, and I honestly have no idea where to direct these feelings. But that's a real, human response to this kind of insanity, and a hell of a lot healthier than giggling like a fucking wannabe sociopath.