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The current Hot Topic in the Politics forum is a thread about Family Guy. I'm not sure how I feel about this.

At 3/19/13 10:12 PM, Feoric wrote: The current Hot Topic in the Politics forum is a thread about Family Guy. I'm not sure how I feel about this.

it's about par for the course for this forum.

meh, i'm alright with it...it's a comedy show, just relax a bit.

i think its funny when people take things like family guy seriously

At 3/19/13 09:23 AM, poxpower wrote: Then realize you're using all the exact same arguments that morons use to link violence in media with school shootings.

Yes, that's moronic because that never happens. Nor has the FBI found this to be a common link in a quarter of school shootings. (NOTE: this is roughly how common rifles of any type are used in shooting sprees...and yet we have Senators, liberal pundits, and several state legislatures going after assault rifles.)

At 3/18/13 03:35 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

2: racial prejudice or discrimination

But because of this.

The inference that all Muslims are terrorists (yes, the ONLY Muslim Peter ever really spends time with being a terrorist is pretty suggestive of this point.)

But it is an inference that is specifically dispelled at the end when they mention that the majority of middle-class Muslims who are not terrorists in the community will now be scrunitized. Oh...then there is also the plot point that they are using Peter because since he is white they will be able to get past security who uses a color swab sample of skin color to let him pass.

So the overall point may actually be about racially charged overreactions to Muslim extremism.

True. He does. But what I think makes this different than South Park is the how. Family Guy makes their offensive jokes in a on eliner format, and rarely takes any such thing longer than that (though it has happened). ... The repurtations make a difference here too. While both shows have the reputation of being edgy, South Park was built 100% of pushing as many envelopes as far as they possibly could and in extremely in your face manner. Family guy is more known for shotgunning inane humor that sometmes contains an offensive joke and rarely an offensive line of jokes.

They have done this on several occassions with hot-button topics such as:
* Anti-semetism, where they have used Jewish stereotypes to make fun of anti-semetic racists.
* Abortion.
* When Cleveland was on the show, he was perhaps the most stable and least flawed character between Peter and his friends. Peter is a buffoon. Quagmire is the sex-crazed single dude. Joe is the aggressive cop with a chip on his shoulder.

So while yes, most of FG's style is shotgunning political humor in non sequitors into the plot...they have tackled political issues as the main plot before. So I think this point fails because while not their predominate MO...it is something they have a history of tackling.

I think there is a difference between things that should honestly be offensive and things that are based in humor and even people just trying to communicate.

There shouldn't be a difference, as if we made such a difference the latter would lose much of its value. South Park has been largely dulled by the incessant offensiveness, but every now and then the show gets people talking, which is exactly what Stone and Parker want. They want to not only mock their target, but expose it and put it in the spotlight. If we take out the offensiveness when we know it's done for humor, we end up robbing the spotlight and the exposition of the topic, leaving only mocking which takes away much of the point.

And I think FG tries to do that. Furthermore, that they do these occassional episodes in which something like abortion, anti-semetism, and now Muslim stereotypes...they can be a little more effective since not every show tries to carry a message like SP does.

In the end, if we try to stamp out things that are offensive then we just end up living in a society ruled by the Thought Police.

Oh no Family Guy was racist? Doesn't Family Guy have or say something racist or, at the very least, exploit racial stereotypes for comedic value about every episode? It's been a while since I watched it.

At 3/20/13 09:17 AM, LafyKid wrote: Oh no Family Guy was racist? Doesn't Family Guy have or say something racist or, at the very least, exploit racial stereotypes for comedic value about every episode? It's been a while since I watched it.

I'll put it like this.

If people think the things shown on Family Guy or South Park is racist, they should be boycotting Nintendo altogether over their 'horribly racist' video game series, "Punch-Out!!"

why? Because it stars a 'normal' white guy beating up on a bunch of non whites (along with a few whites) and of course, all of them are stereotypes.

At 3/20/13 06:35 AM, TheMason wrote: But it is an inference that is specifically dispelled at the end when they mention that the majority of middle-class Muslims who are not terrorists in the community will now be scrunitized. Oh...then there is also the plot point that they are using Peter because since he is white they will be able to get past security who uses a color swab sample of skin color to let him pass.

I've never been a fan of the "bless your little heart" defense. You how down south you can be extremely vicious and verbally attack someone, but so long as you end the sentence with "bless your little heart" it will all be absolved? (example: Why aren't you the stupidest person I have ever seen, bless your little heart.") I call completel bullshit on it. Some little tiny "oh we don;t actally mean this" stuffed under the rug at the end is NOT a way to absolve the rampant racism before it. It seems, to me, like nothing other than a cop out so they can claim they weren;t racist, even though they know they were.

So the overall point may actually be about racially charged overreactions to Muslim extremism.

No. If that were true they would have made a bigger point of it and sprinkled it (at least) throughout the entire episode, not just put in the FCC "we don't mean any of this" stamp at the end.

So while yes, most of FG's style is shotgunning political humor in non sequitors into the plot...they have tackled political issues as the main plot before. So I think this point fails because while not their predominate MO...it is something they have a history of tackling.

But in the stories above they never actually did anything racist. They played on the racism that is out by trying to seem racist without actually doing anything racist at all. This episode they changed it and actually put up a very racist concept without adequate poking at it.

In the end, if we try to stamp out things that are offensive then we just end up living in a society ruled by the Thought Police.

I don;t want to stamp it out. I don;t care. They can be racist or offensive every second of every show. All I want is for people to stop lying to themselves and see what they're doing for what it really is.

At 3/20/13 12:01 PM, Korriken wrote:

Okay sure whatever.

The politics forum never ceases to amaze.

It's either Atheists preaching, Theists preaching or shit like this

At 3/20/13 04:44 PM, Shade wrote: The politics forum never ceases to amaze.

It's either Atheists preaching, Theists preaching or shit like this

Thanks for your input. Now do you have anything real to say?

At 3/20/13 05:46 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 3/20/13 04:44 PM, Shade wrote: The politics forum never ceases to amaze.

It's either Atheists preaching, Theists preaching or shit like this

Thanks for your input. Now do you have anything real to say?

Sure.

I don't get why people always get so pissed off when shows like Family Guy pull this. The show is essentially attempting to get these responses with every episode, it's the same formula shows like South Park use to garner viewers.

At 3/20/13 12:54 PM, LafyKid wrote:

At 3/20/13 12:01 PM, Korriken wrote:

Okay sure whatever.

General forum is that way

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Did you guys know that Mexican isn't a race, nor is American. Gay, Christian, Muslim etc. aren't races, either.
People keep using that term racism, I do not think it means what they think it means.

At 3/21/13 09:30 AM, IGreenI wrote: Did you guys know that Mexican isn't a race, nor is American. Gay, Christian, Muslim etc. aren't races, either.
People keep using that term racism, I do not think it means what they think it means.

And you fail to post a picture of Inigo Montoya...

Yes we know that racism involves doing so because of a different race of people. We don't really have suh a term for religious discrimination, so we are just using the word racism as a filler, because it means the same thing. Also, seeing as the vast super majority of muslims are a different race than the vast supermajortiy of Americans, the traditional meaning of racism can still apply.

At 3/21/13 11:54 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

And you fail to post a picture of Inigo Montoya...

Yes we know that racism involves doing so because of a different race of people. We don't really have suh a term for religious discrimination, so we are just using the word racism as a filler, because it means the same thing. Also, seeing as the vast super majority of muslims are a different race than the vast supermajortiy of Americans, the traditional meaning of racism can still apply.

Oh my, that's probably the most insulting blanket statement I've ever read. I've give you Montoya, though.

At 3/21/13 02:33 PM, IGreenI wrote: Oh my, that's probably the most insulting blanket statement I've ever read. I've give you Montoya, though.

What? The true statement, that the vast (I mean near entirety) majority of Muslims are either, Arab, Central Asian, African, or South East Asian, where as most Americans are of caucasian or latin american descent? Facts insult you?

At 3/17/13 09:23 PM, Breathe-0ut wrote: Also like some Family Guy episodes and a two part South Park episode, I have a good feeling it's going to start something.

The "South Park" creators have actually stated those episodes are more notorious for how they make fun of FG than the thing about Muhammad. Seth Macfarlane, unlike Parker and Stone, is completely against religion, so if he gets death threats, he deserves it.

At 3/18/13 12:58 AM, Warforger wrote:

At 3/18/13 12:05 AM, Korriken wrote:

At 3/17/13 09:23 PM, Breathe-0ut wrote: ...is 'totally' racist.

oh boo hoo fucking hoo.

"oh noes, thats racist! Oh noes thats sexist! Oh noes, that insults my religion!"

You wanna know why this is even an issue? because people whine and cry about it. If people weren't so weak and easily offended things like this wouldn't even exist because it would have no shock value.

If you don't like it, vote with your remote. simply change the channel when the offending show comes on.

Wow you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. When this kind of stuff is on television kids see it, they in turn take it in and then you start to see video's like this pop up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY39fkmqKBM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10345282

And what do you see? People who think like you bullying these people even more for even expressing anger or feelings of being offended when it's clear THEY FUCKING SHOULD! I mean christ going by this same logic we should allow minstrel shows on television as well as Sambo.

When this kind of stuff comes on TV, kids should have parents that supervise them or don't let them watch it at all.

It's so sad that superiors have to constantly watch over us over the most minuscule of things, like an episode of a TV show, because we are no longer a nation with any balls or common sense. Kids shouldn't be watching Family Guy, but that's fucking obvious...It's adult humor clearly, and therefore it's the responsibility of the parents/guardians to tell them right from wrong. An entire fanbase shouldn't have to pay a price like taking something off the air just because some kids don't have parents who give a fuck what they watch.