Tearing down Abu Ghraib

[Gobo718]

So, how I understand it...

The building was the problem! It's like the Shining! No work and no play makes soldiers dull boys! REDRUM! REDRUM!

How will this solve a damn thing?

[Earfetish]

It's mindless destruction of history.

It's an act, for no reason.

[JMHX]

Iraqis say leave it, we say tear it down.

Guess which side is going to win?

[Gobo718]

Is our attitude that we're in power until June 30th, so we gotta go by our will until then... fuck your historical landmarks. We're making them pay twice for our same mistake?

[Der-Ubermensch]

They hope that if they destroy the symbol of their blunder, it will all go away... Why doesn't someone try that with Bush?

[RedSkunk]

I haven't heard the exact reasoning behind keeping the prison. Many notorious prisons have been torn down throughout the years - the Bastille, for instance. The BBC story I read gave no suggestion of wide-spread opposition to tearing down Abu Ghraib, personally I would be more outraged if the Americans kept it, renovated it to show the Iraqi's their new-found freedom, and opened a gift shop within it.

[Zalbun]

It's Surprising we didn't.

[FUNKbrs]

Tearing down Abu Graib is a PR masterstroke. It's like destroying a gun used in a murder, or burning someone's death bed. It might not serve any material purpose, but a very poignant symbolic one: We really wished we had never been there.

[Samuel-HALL]

At 5/25/04 07:19 PM, JudgeSkvnkFUNK wrote: Tearing down Abu Graib is a PR masterstroke. It's like destroying a gun used in a murder, or burning someone's death bed. It might not serve any material purpose, but a very poignant symbolic one: We really wished we had never been there.

am i the only one who thinks it's a little...shallow? As you said...it's like destroying a gun used in a murder. The prison isn't some living thing...sitting around going 'YEEEESSS...finally....some more abuse. It's about goddamn time.'

And for the record...you're anology brings this to my mind:

A courtroom full of people...and on the witness stand...a handgun. The lawyer is screaming 'We KNOW mr.smith fired you in the process of the murder. Just admit it.'

[RedSkunk]

It's symbolic.

[bombkangaroo]

they should turn it into a brothel or something.
i'd pay good money for that chick to tie me up, beat me, and drag me round the floor on a leash.

[FUNKbrs]

At 5/25/04 09:23 PM, Damien3003 wrote: am i the only one who thinks it's a little...shallow? As you said...it's like destroying a gun used in a murder. The prison isn't some living thing...sitting around going 'YEEEESSS...finally....some more abuse. It's about goddamn time.'

I agree. However, we're fighing a war based on emotion, not logic. Logic in war is for tactics, which are good at killing, and not much else. It's emotion and symbolism that truly end wars, just as they start them. Attacking Iraq wasn't a logical response to 9-11, and 9-11 wasn't a logical responce to US oppression.

And for the record...you're anology brings this to my mind:

A courtroom full of people...and on the witness stand...a handgun. The lawyer is screaming 'We KNOW mr.smith fired you in the process of the murder. Just admit it.'

But they also wouldn't leave the gun in the widow's house, either. Although that is a great analogy that I totally agree with.

[Earfetish]

At 5/26/04 12:51 AM, RedSkvnk wrote: It's symbolic.

It's only symbolic of America's shame of fucking up so bad, and they're attempts to bury this and hope that Iraq forgets that the US had no qualms about torturing Arabs in Abu Graib.

They should tear down Guantanamo too, and then tear down the White House, and then shoot Bush and Rumsfeld for war crimes.

[FUNKbrs]

At 5/26/04 03:20 PM, Earfetish wrote:
It's only symbolic of America's shame of fucking up so bad, and they're attempts to bury this and hope that Iraq forgets that the US had no qualms about torturing Arabs in Abu Graib.

They should tear down Guantanamo too, and then tear down the White House, and then shoot Bush and Rumsfeld for war crimes.

There's a lot of punk bands out there that agree wholeheartedly with that course of action. However, it's one thing for me to beat someone with a baseball bat in the street, or in my home. It's quite another to beat someone with a baseball bat in their own home, with their own bat, and then shove it through the wall as a reminder.

[TheWakingDeath]

At 5/26/04 02:32 PM, bombkangaroo wrote: they should turn it into a brothel or something.
i'd pay good money for that chick to tie me up, beat me, and drag me round the floor on a leash.

i wouldn't, considering she looks like lou diamond phillips. bleh.

They're not just tearing it down, they're planning to replace it with a new and improved prison.

How does this accomplish anything? ghdsghdsgfhsg