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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 23rd, 2013 @ 01:00 PM Reply

At 2/22/13 10:38 PM, orangebomb wrote:
And if you think about it, the Wii U has been rather disappointing with it's promise of AAA third- party titles other than Arkham City, Assassin's Creed and a few others. Plus, there has been a defection of casual gamers {which the Wii took advantage of} towards iPhone/iPad games and the like, which only makes certain developers pull back on Nintendo, or at least make think twice.

Whatever advantage that the Wii U had, will soon be negated by the new Xbox console and the PS4 once they launch.

I'm not sure about this at all. The Wii U has had a slow start, but it is yet to be seen if that is because the console is weak, or if the influx of other casual gaming devices has shrunk the market in general. Until one of Microsoft or Sony have blown its sales out of the water, I don't think anyone can be certain it is a flop.

Part of me thinks the earlier release might be quite clever. The new Xbox and PS4 will release with likely high price tags, and a limited selection of games. Meanwhile at the same time Wii U will likely have a price drop and roll out a bunch of its first party big guns. That could majorly hurt the sales of their competitors. Current sales could be seen as a bonus headstart before the real battle commences- at the moment every console Nintendo sell is a console more than microsoft and sony in this generation, and a sale they will have to catch up on.

Also its too early to write off third party support- give third parties time to develop for the new hardware before declaring that they aren't going to support the console.


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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 23rd, 2013 @ 01:11 PM Reply

At 2/23/13 01:00 PM, Sentio wrote:

For anyone wondering about Wii U's graphics btw. Just thought I would throw this out there.

Can you guess which console this is from?

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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 23rd, 2013 @ 03:25 PM Reply

The PS4 FLOPS at a rate of 1.84 trillion times per seconds.

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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 23rd, 2013 @ 05:22 PM Reply

At 2/22/13 12:59 AM, Protagonist wrote: This is just like when everyone thought the Wii was going to flop. Sure the PS4 has some really REALLY forced social crap, but I think some of it sounds pretty neat, and a lot of people enjoy it when it comes around. Still though, no Backwards compatibility is pretty damn lame, It's a problem PS3 had too, unless you count the first versions of the PS3.

I guess my only question: What're we expecting price range when it comes out? Because if this is supposed to be the "massive upgrade from the ps3" they hype it out to be, I'm not about to spend... say... $500 up for a overhyped system, plus console gaming has taken a swan dive toward the ground lately too. Might just pick up computer gaming if it goes how i'm thinking.


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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 23rd, 2013 @ 05:34 PM Reply

At 2/23/13 12:12 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote: The Wii U has only been out half a year

You mean three months.

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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 23rd, 2013 @ 07:05 PM Reply

If the PS4 doesn't allow for USB Memory stick to the usb slot of the console than it will Flop. Lets see if Sony went the Nintendo route and is making the console only a console and not a media viewing device.


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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 23rd, 2013 @ 07:55 PM Reply

At 2/23/13 07:17 PM, Protagonist wrote: That didn't stop the Wii from flopping

Almost 100 million units is a flop to you?

And if you mean the Wii U, that's not a flop either. You can't call a system a flop when it's only been out for a couple months. Yeah, I said the same thing about the Vita, but at least the Wii U has more promising upcoming titles than that system.

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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 23rd, 2013 @ 08:35 PM Reply

You mean there's a possibility that it might happen?

How insightful.


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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 23rd, 2013 @ 09:57 PM Reply

At 2/23/13 12:12 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote:
At 2/22/13 10:38 PM, orangebomb wrote: Whatever advantage that the Wii U had, will soon be negated by the new Xbox console and the PS4 once they launch.
That Sony will fuck up there PS4 launch. With few games, rushed console, without the ability to be backwards compatible with PS3 games, which might ruin the holiday rush. Forced online marketing. PS3s are finally cheap bro, and have massive library's.

You can't say that with 100% certainty that they will fuck it up at launch, but history has shown us that the PS had slow starts, but managed to get back on their feet quickly. I'll grant you this, I did jump the gun a little bit when the new Xbox and PS4 will overtake the Wii U at launch, but it will take about 6 months to a year after launch before either Microsoft or Sony gets ahead of Nintendo, especially if Nintendo can't deliver on the big name 3rd party titles they promised.

I promise you, mark my words. Nintendo is a sleeping giant. Wait till E3, and reserve your opinions until then.

I will, but I do know one thing right off the bat, if there is no major 3rd party support coming for the Wii U, then they will fall way behind, because they can't keep relying on purely 1st party and the scraps of 3rd party support forever, if they want to get ahead.

The beast, N. Will unleash Ragnarok..Nintendo has to go all out, they realize this. They will wow us with 1st 3rd and 2nd party. While the PlayStation 4 has yet to build a solid user base and boost Sony stock..., and Microsoft Unveils. In essence, Sony will be stuck and caught in the middle. While Nintendo and Microsoft move forward.

Once again, I'll have to see it to believe it, because the promises that they made when the Wii U was launched were pretty lofty, and if the Big N is what you say it is, {not to that hyperbole} they will deliver on that promise. They have the capability and the cache to do so, but will they do it is the key. We'll just have to wait and see.

They both know that the harsh reality is. Sony is bleeding money, what better way for two major video game/business company's to get ahead. Of which a plausible option could be, to strike it's rival....Sony. When it is financially at it's weakest.

Never underestimate Sony. Remember that even with the bumps and screwups that the PS3 had early on, they still managed to keep up with Microsoft and surpass Nintendo in terms of quality and games, and I would like to think that they knew where they screwed up with the PS3, and try to improve off of that.

Barring some major affliction/screwup with Sony that would decimate the PS4's chances, they will easily get back into the race in due time.


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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 24th, 2013 @ 08:00 AM Reply

At 2/23/13 07:55 PM, HikarutheHedgehog wrote:
At 2/23/13 07:17 PM, Protagonist wrote: That didn't stop the Wii from flopping
Almost 100 million units is a flop to you?

And if you mean the Wii U, that's not a flop either. You can't call a system a flop when it's only been out for a couple months. Yeah, I said the same thing about the Vita, but at least the Wii U has more promising upcoming titles than that system.

It does? I googled and lots of people are making fun of the lack luster and very few game titles coming out for both the Vita and Wii U. I'm a Vita owner and I regret buying this handheld. I've even tried to sell it on Craigslist and even tried trading for it and 0 replies or offers. No one wants this thing. It has a beautiful OLED screen for watching Youtube on it but its lackluster and weak games on it make it a poor gaming handheld.


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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 24th, 2013 @ 12:49 PM Reply

The PS4 is probably going to be less succesful or just as succesful as the PS3. In other words, I think it's going to do good but not spectacular or anything.

As for me, I'm not really interested in the PS4. I think I'll stick with the Wii U.

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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 24th, 2013 @ 02:44 PM Reply

It's just too soon to tell if the PS4 would flop. Just have to wait and see how this turns out in a couple more months.


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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 24th, 2013 @ 06:05 PM Reply

Call me crazy but I see the PS4 doing better than the PS3

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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 25th, 2013 @ 07:59 AM Reply

At 2/24/13 06:05 PM, JCking6 wrote: Call me crazy but I see the PS4 doing better than the PS3

Not gonna happen unless the PS4 has usb movie media support which I doubt it does.


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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 25th, 2013 @ 08:01 AM Reply

At 2/25/13 07:59 AM, TheKlown wrote:
Not gonna happen unless the PS4 has usb movie media support which I doubt it does.

Why does this even matter...?


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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 25th, 2013 @ 08:04 AM Reply

The controller has a share button, the PS4 cannot possibly flop!

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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 25th, 2013 @ 09:03 AM Reply

At 2/24/13 08:00 AM, TheKlown wrote:
It does? I googled and lots of people are making fun of the lack luster and very few game titles coming out for both the Vita and Wii U. I'm a Vita owner and I regret buying this handheld. I've even tried to sell it on Craigslist and even tried trading for it and 0 replies or offers. No one wants this thing. It has a beautiful OLED screen for watching Youtube on it but its lackluster and weak games on it make it a poor gaming handheld.

Here's the thing though; Unlike Sony's Vita, which is still in the toilet and probably won't ever get out of it, Nintendo actually did something to pull the 3DS, which was in the toilet, out of the toilet. Nintendo decreased the price of the 3DS, and released a lot of First Party games on the system (Legend of Zelda, Mario 3D Land, Star Fox, Mario Kart 7, Nintendogs+Cats). That Boosted the sales of the 3DS to what they are today (Around 30 Million Units in over 1 Year). This has brought back and even increased 3rd party support for the handheld.

Now, the WiiU has promised some amazing 1st and 3rd Party games to come out within the fallowing year: Pikmin 3, Lego City, Monster Hunter 3, Need For Speed, The Walking Dead, Game and Wario and the Wonderful 101 all come out In March. Watch_Dogs, the upcoming Ubisoft Game is coming to the WiiU on release date, and Bungie's Destiny has been hinted as coming to the WiiU. A Mario Kart, a Mario Platformer, A LoZ: Wind Waker Remake and Possibly even the next Super Smash Bros are coming out around the launch of the PS4. If the WiiU is having trouble enticing 3rd parties now (Which by the looks of it, it doesn't have as serious a problem as it had on the Wii), it won't be having those troubles by the beginning of next year.

OT: Yeah, I have a bad feeling the PS4 isn't gonna do well either. It's gonna be to costly, it doesn't have anything I like, and the lack of backwards compatibility is really gonna hurt the system. All I know is, if Sony fails here, then they cannot be in the Video Game market anymore (Heck, they might end up declaring bankruptcy if they fail here).

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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 25th, 2013 @ 05:09 PM Reply

At 2/25/13 09:03 AM, DingoWalleyStudio wrote: All I know is, if Sony fails here, then they cannot be in the Video Game market anymore (Heck, they might end up declaring bankruptcy if they fail here).

Nintendo will go bankrupt before Sony does, you're out of your mind.


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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 25th, 2013 @ 05:18 PM Reply

At 2/25/13 09:03 AM, DingoWalleyStudio wrote:

Pretty much how I feel.

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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 25th, 2013 @ 08:21 PM Reply

At 2/25/13 05:09 PM, simon wrote:
At 2/25/13 09:03 AM, DingoWalleyStudio wrote: All I know is, if Sony fails here, then they cannot be in the Video Game market anymore (Heck, they might end up declaring bankruptcy if they fail here).
Nintendo will go bankrupt before Sony does, you're out of your mind.

Right; Nintendo, who has reported only 1 Financial Loss in their entire lifetime, have hoarded money since the early days of the NES, made a killer profit on the Wii (Which always sold at a profit), have legions of fans who love them, and who recently had their Stocks grow after the announcement of a certain console, will totally go bankrupt before Sony, a company with 7 years of Consecutive Losses, a Credit Rating of "Junk", the slowest selling Console of the 7th Generation, which didn't turn up a profit until 2010, which was the same with their first handheld, while their second handheld is selling diddly squat (Seriously, 1 year out on the market, and the WiiU is almost passing them already), and had their stocks drop after announcing the PS4, does.

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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 25th, 2013 @ 08:55 PM Reply

At 2/25/13 05:09 PM, simon wrote:
At 2/25/13 09:03 AM, DingoWalleyStudio wrote: All I know is, if Sony fails here, then they cannot be in the Video Game market anymore (Heck, they might end up declaring bankruptcy if they fail here).
Nintendo will go bankrupt before Sony does, you're out of your mind.

Did you read the Sony credit report I posted?

DingoWalley is right though, Nintendo does have a golden chest stashed away. Which really amazes me.

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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 25th, 2013 @ 09:23 PM Reply

OPs grammar is godawful, I'm unable to take anyone seriously who is older than me that can't use English properly.

Anyway, the tall and short of it is that it's most likely PS4 and the new Xbox will be released around the same time so they'll be starting on an equal footing. No 12 month head start for Microsoft this time, so it should be interesting to see how long it takes for it to fall behind when the dreaded RRoD makes it's highly anticipated return.

Also Microsoft if you're listening, (they aren't, too busy counting money) I'd do away with the ejecting disc tray, it's hard for your customers to keep replacing their copies of CoD and Fifa on just pocket money. Having them pay to just use the thing online is all good and well but warped discs is unacceptable. Maybe you could stop making all your games on those really cheap discs that cost next to nothing as well, cheers.


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At 2/25/13 09:23 PM, Quinny wrote: OPs grammar is godawful, I'm unable to take anyone seriously who is older than me that can't use English properly.

Anyway, the tall and short of it is that it's most likely PS4 and the new Xbox will be released around the same time so they'll be starting on an equal footing. No 12 month head start for Microsoft this time, so it should be interesting to see how long it takes for it to fall behind when the dreaded RRoD makes it's highly anticipated return.

Also Microsoft if you're listening, (they aren't, too busy counting money) I'd do away with the ejecting disc tray, it's hard for your customers to keep replacing their copies of CoD and Fifa on just pocket money. Having them pay to just use the thing online is all good and well but warped discs is unacceptable. Maybe you could stop making all your games on those really cheap discs that cost next to nothing as well, cheers.

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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 26th, 2013 @ 04:44 PM Reply

At 2/25/13 09:23 PM, Quinny wrote: OPs grammar is godawful, I'm unable to take anyone seriously who is older than me that can't use English properly.

Everyone is a English major these days.

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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 26th, 2013 @ 04:57 PM Reply

At 2/21/13 10:03 PM, Sekhem wrote: sony stocks hit a 32 year low in 2012 after the flop of the vita

ps4 predictions aren't looking good either

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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 26th, 2013 @ 06:17 PM Reply

At 2/22/13 10:50 PM, GrizzlyOne wrote:
without Mario you probably wouldn't have video games, or at least to the point where they weren't as advanced today.

I think you may have meant Donkey Kong, because that's what turned Nintendo from a trading card company into a video game software/hardware developer. Mario could have been any character in a brightly colored uniform and served just as well as a company mascot, really.

I don't know if the topic of this thread is a conversation worth having at this point in time, seeing as the amount of information revealed to us at Sony's press conference amounted to some quick peaks at what the front end of the PSN service will look like followed by some non-representative gameplay footage, some of which wasn't even running on the hardware in question, with absolutely zero indication of price points, third party hardware support etc etc. Anybody arguing one way or the other right now runs the risk of looking like a Sony fanboy or an angry console warrior with a bone to pick.

That is, unless you want to broaden the conversation to "PS4/XB/Steam Box could flop", because then I think you'd be touching on the bigger issue at large here. With the amount of capital invested into these huge hardware cycles and AAA software titles, I do think it's inevitable the gaming market will see another crash, albeit it not on the scale of the one that happened decades ago. It's not out of the question that one of the major players at the moment might go the way of SEGA and end up retiring their legacy of hardware development and go the way of pure third party game development, but when the only information available to us about the next cycle of hardware is some vague images and corporate ramblings, I don't see it as a safe assumption to focus on one hardware specifically.


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PS4 man. The future of video games. Its gonna blow everyone chairs off the floor. Just you wait man.


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Response to PS4 could flop Feb. 26th, 2013 @ 09:38 PM Reply

At 2/26/13 09:04 PM, PotHeadParadise wrote: PS4 man. The future of video games. Its gonna blow everyone chairs off the floor. Just you wait man.

The chairs I am sure will be pretty cheap. Blowing them over will mean rustic materials. Such as the way the PS4 will melt over into retro history. But probably not in a good way.

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Any console can flop, it just depend on how many people is excited about the new PS4.


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