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Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 15:31:58 Reply

First off, I understand why a mod would want to lock this thread. I hope it doesn't come to that. This type of thread can become a shitstorm and full of arguing and stupidity.

However, I was wanting to weigh some arguments between the two. One a belief, the other a truth with scientific evidence.

I do have intent on getting a civilized debate going, and hope the NG community can be polite enough(ENOUGH) to not be too vicious when arguing.

I do not believe in evolution. I understand why it's true, though. However, if someone thinks they can budge me or other people that understand why evolution is true I am opening the forum here.


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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 15:35:56 Reply

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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 15:35:58 Reply

Anyone with common sense would know the bible is such bullshit.


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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 15:36:05 Reply

There simply isn't a logical reason to believe in or accept creationism as truth over evolution.
If there's any creationists here be prepared to hear lies, exaggerations, and logical fallacies.

I've had this conversation with creationists before and they all either break down and say something like "I believe it because I want to believe it, okay?!" or spout nonsensical pseudoscience to no end.

I usually don't like to be this biased but in this case it's clear that one side has scientific backing while the other doesn't.

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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 15:36:06 Reply

At 2/21/13 03:31 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote:
I do have intent on getting a civilized debate going, and hope the NG community can be polite enough(ENOUGH) to not be too vicious when arguing.

That statement is more ridiculous than any religious debate could be.

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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 15:39:13 Reply

There is seriously nothing to weigh on creationism, there is no debate to have between evolution and creationism simply because they have nothing to do with each other.

Evolution is quantifiable, creationism is not. Experimentation can be applied to evolution, not the case for creationism. Furthermore evolution is scientific theory which is on it's way to graduating to scientific law, creationism isn't even a valid hypothesis.

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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 15:39:39 Reply

At 2/21/13 03:36 PM, Jester wrote:
At 2/21/13 03:31 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote:
I do have intent on getting a civilized debate going, and hope the NG community can be polite enough(ENOUGH) to not be too vicious when arguing.
That statement is more ridiculous than any religious debate could be.

I don't know. Seems to be going pretty well, so far. Guess it wasn't that ridiculous after all.


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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 15:41:17 Reply

I do have intent on getting a civilized debate going,

No you don't

Also the title is a red harring, people can believe in creation and evolution even if it doesn't make sense, that's why it's called a personal belief.


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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 15:43:59 Reply

What the fuck is the point on debating something as stupid as creationism.


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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 15:49:53 Reply

I recommend you remake this thread in Politics. The majority of responses here will be along the lines of:

"Hurr durr, religion is dumb, evolution! +1"


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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 15:51:37 Reply

I don't believe that any theories on this topic have been proven. I don't believe the majority of people accepting something as the fact makes it true. Eventually another answer will come along that people will cling on to. The good thing is that people will continue to keep themselves open to accept new theories and new evidence. The bad thing is most people will fight to protect the past standing in the way of progress.


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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 15:53:22 Reply

At 2/21/13 03:31 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote:
I do not believe in evolution. I understand why it's true, though. However, if someone thinks they can budge me or other people that understand why evolution is true I am opening the forum here.

Same here. I believe the Earth was created. I'm not sure how it was created, but it was.


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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 15:53:31 Reply

Darwin was (probably) a freemason. Enough said.

Don't want to trigger any flame war bomb here,I'm just kidding

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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 15:56:38 Reply

At 2/21/13 03:53 PM, Jester wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Et1qBCnv3c

Wow, that youtube video sure proved me wrong.

Just face it. Sometimes there's enough scientific evidence to completely rule out a certain belief from a logical standpoint, and creationism is one of them. I'm not being antagonistic I'm being 100% honest. If someone gets upset about it it's only because I've challenged their worldview and they don't want to reconsider it.

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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 15:58:12 Reply

To be honest, I don't mind who believes in what. Evolution is a fact, and it's good enough for me to know that. But I don't force it down some people's throats, unlike some dumbass atheist militant on the internet.

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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 15:58:30 Reply

At 2/21/13 03:56 PM, Entice wrote:
At 2/21/13 03:53 PM, Jester wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Et1qBCnv3c
Wow, that youtube video sure proved me wrong.

My point wasn't that you were wrong, it was that the OP's polite and unbiased debate wasn't very polite or unbiased. Frankly you were the most polite and unbiased of those I quoted.

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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 15:59:43 Reply

At 2/21/13 03:58 PM, Jester wrote: My point wasn't that you were wrong, it was that the OP's polite and unbiased debate wasn't very polite or unbiased. Frankly you were the most polite and unbiased of those I quoted.

Oh okay. I understand where you're coming from.

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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 16:04:07 Reply

I believe in evolution, because I find it hard to believe in creation. I'm not a religious person, but I'm not anti-religious either, I just find the concept of things becoming something without being developed to become something hard to embrace. It seems the same thing applies to everything, even ourselves growing up, or computers, or plants, or basically everything out there.

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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 16:05:03 Reply

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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 16:06:17 Reply

At 2/21/13 03:56 PM, Entice wrote:
Just face it. Sometimes there's enough scientific evidence to completely rule out a certain belief from a logical standpoint, and creationism is one of them. I'm not being antagonistic I'm being 100% honest. If someone gets upset about it it's only because I've challenged their worldview and they don't want to reconsider it.

The idea that the Earth was created by some being instead of just a random event is a possibility but the exact story from the bible could easily be proven false and it has been.


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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 16:08:15 Reply

At 2/21/13 04:06 PM, JBK wrote: The idea that the Earth was created by some being instead of just a random event is a possibility

I agree.

but the exact story from the bible could easily be proven false and it has been.

That's what I meant.

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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 16:10:21 Reply

I believe in the evolution of creationism.


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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 16:14:15 Reply

The myth of creation as an argument to contradict Evolution is fallacious in the way it is most often taught. Creationism is the humanistic spiritual representation of the life of one individual, a tale passed on from generation to generation to help youth understand the consequences of their actions and the origin of their lives through the mother, father, and their ancestral line. The ideal approach to understanding the probability that life on Earth was created by a Higher Being is to separate it from your knowledge that you and your siblings were created through the love of your parents. Evolution is just one small component of the path your constituent particles have taken throughout the journey from the birth of the Sun to the present day. Accept that those beliefs are different, and that their seeming contradictions are a factor of your interpretation. You may begin to understand the grandiosity of this universe, and the divinity of nirvana.

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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 16:15:24 Reply

At 2/21/13 03:31 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: First off, I understand why a mod would want to lock this thread. I hope it doesn't come to that. This type of thread can become a shitstorm and full of arguing and stupidity.

However, I was wanting to weigh some arguments between the two. One a belief, the other a truth with scientific evidence.

I do have intent on getting a civilized debate going, and hope the NG community can be polite enough(ENOUGH) to not be too vicious when arguing.

I do not believe in evolution. I understand why it's true, though. However, if someone thinks they can budge me or other people that understand why evolution is true I am opening the forum here.

There is no debate to be had, even by your own admission. The theory of evolution is not a 'theory' in the more commonly used sense, but this word theory refers to it as a commonly understood truth substantiated by evidence, neigh, proof, of its functions (i.e. the theory of gravity which we all observe, but not like string theory which is one of many proposed theories to explain things).

To not believe in gravity and believe something like creationism just because you do is outrageous. What if you were born in the middle east, will you admit that would more likely make you Muslim? What if you were born in China, would you follow their religions instead? Religion is a belief, and that is why there can be no arguments. You cannot argue with someone who does not think using logic.


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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 16:20:11 Reply

Guys I swear to god, I'm publishing a Scientific theory this month that would just blow this debate to pieces. Seriously, I've been intensely studying the relationship between symmetry and the origin of life for 2 years now. I'm pretty obsessed with it.
I wanna post it so bad, but I know I can not :(

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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 16:22:50 Reply

At 2/21/13 04:20 PM, 372 wrote: Guys I swear to god, I'm publishing a Scientific theory this month that would just blow this debate to pieces. Seriously, I've been intensely studying the relationship between symmetry and the origin of life for 2 years now. I'm pretty obsessed with it.
I wanna post it so bad, but I know I can not :(

So evolutionary significance of radial, bilateral, penta-radial, and asymmetrical body structures?

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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 16:27:30 Reply

At 2/21/13 04:22 PM, Saen wrote:
At 2/21/13 04:20 PM, 372 wrote: Guys I swear to god, I'm publishing a Scientific theory this month that would just blow this debate to pieces. Seriously, I've been intensely studying the relationship between symmetry and the origin of life for 2 years now. I'm pretty obsessed with it.
I wanna post it so bad, but I know I can not :(
So evolutionary significance of radial, bilateral, penta-radial, and asymmetrical body structures?

Yes. Exactly. I've dissected its relevance down to the mechanisms of cyanobacteria. Maybe further. But that is all I can say for now.
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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 16:32:13 Reply

The most compelling argument I've ever heard AGAINST evolution is that God hid fossils just to fuck with us. That's why Evolution is definitely true.

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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 16:35:38 Reply

I'd just like to add that saying the Earth is created makes you just as fucking stupid as the people who think that the Earth is flat. Evolution is a tried and proven theory, Creationism is Stone Age bullshit.

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Response to Creation vs Evolution 2013-02-21 16:36:34 Reply

At 2/21/13 04:32 PM, Trillionaire wrote:
At 2/21/13 04:27 PM, 372 wrote:
At 2/21/13 04:22 PM, Saen wrote: So evolutionary significance of radial, bilateral, penta-radial, and asymmetrical body structures?
I've dissected its relevance down to the mechanisms of cyanobacteria. Maybe further. But that is all I can say for now.
So, nothing new or earth shattering.

Haha, yeah dude. I'm sure you can dismiss my work by those 4 sentences I wrote, you must be a pretty smart guy.