Be a Supporter!

About Vengeance sample packs...

  • 3,289 Views
  • 14 Replies
New Topic Respond to this Topic
bca
bca
  • Member since: Feb. 28, 2010
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 03
Blank Slate
About Vengeance sample packs... 2013-02-15 04:43:38 Reply

I'm very confused about the license of the Vengeance sound/sample packs. I searched through forums and some people says that the samples can be only used for non-commercial purposes only. Is it really true? It doesn't make any sense because you have to pay a lot to get those sample packs.

However, I found the licence of the Vengeance sample packs on their website and here is part of it:

"The enclosed samples in these downloadable packs are licensed to you, not sold to you, by Vengeance Sound. Ownership remains with Vengeance Sound. The one-shot samples and drum-loops may be reproduced in whole or in part within your original musical compositions/productions only. All melodies, melodic loops and compositions are licenced for non-commercial use only. All copying, lending, duplicating, re-selling or trading of this product or its content is strictly prohibited. Only the original purchaser of this product has the right to embody and reproduce the enclosed sound samples within their music compositions."

So does this mean that I can use drum-loops and one-shot samples like special effects, sweeps up and down and stuff like that freely on my songs for commercial use without doing anything and only samples with melodies can not be used for commercial purposes? I just want to be sure.

sorohanro
sorohanro
  • Member since: Jul. 9, 2006
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Supporter
Level 28
Musician
Response to About Vengeance sample packs... 2013-02-15 06:34:41 Reply

Seems to be like you got it. Loops not to be used commercially. Also, on Newgrounds is frowned upon.

Lich
Lich
  • Member since: Dec. 25, 2011
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Supporter
Level 01
Musician
Response to About Vengeance sample packs... 2013-02-15 10:29:20 Reply

I vaguely remember one of the mods around here stating that any tracks uploaded here using anything out of the Vengeance packs will be deleted. Plus like what it's stated in the agreement, it's not to be used commercially and yu are only 'licensed' to use it for something... say along the lines of a personal project.


| Music | News | Favorites | - Audio Destruction, Evolving One Track At A Time!

BBS Signature
BrokenDeck
BrokenDeck
  • Member since: Jun. 7, 2003
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Moderator
Level 39
Musician
Response to About Vengeance sample packs... 2013-02-15 10:48:32 Reply

The following Vengeance samples are explicitly considered duplo, and while not neccessarily unavailable for commercial use, are definitely against upload rules.

Future house (all volumes) 1, 2, 3 and 4.
Trance sensation vol.1,2 and 3
Dance explosion
Vengeance Dirty Electro Vol.1
Vengeance Dirty Electro Vol.2
Studio vocals (Recorded by Vengeance)
Total dance sounds vol.2
Ultimate fills vol.1

Do NOT use those Vengeance packs.

Thank-you for your attention.

As for the non-duplo vengeance packs, any of the ones available for commercial use are useable for uploads.

Chelnov
Chelnov
  • Member since: Sep. 12, 2012
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 01
Musician
Response to About Vengeance sample packs... 2013-02-15 12:59:16 Reply

i find this somehow weird and misunderstood...i see this kind of discussions all around internet about this sample packs.
One thing i cant really understand is that if its illegal to use this sample packs for commercial purposes howcome artists like Dodge and Fuski use this samples and promote this samples in their musics and youtube tutorials? This intrigues me...specially when we buy this samples. what would be their purpose if you cant use them freely?
its just stupid. Nowadays im not the kind of guy who likes to use samples to make music, i just dont want to use something that its not mine, but when i started doing music i used to use a lot of samples and i believe that theres a lot of good artists out there that currently use vengeance sample packs.
So thats why i dont understand this legal / illegal issue about sample packs that you actually buy... :s

gavkay21
gavkay21
  • Member since: Nov. 2, 2010
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 03
Musician
Response to About Vengeance sample packs... 2013-02-15 14:23:19 Reply

I use vengance sometimes. Just for the drum hits and stuff though

gavkay21
gavkay21
  • Member since: Nov. 2, 2010
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 03
Musician
Response to About Vengeance sample packs... 2013-02-15 14:25:12 Reply

At 2/15/13 02:23 PM, gavkay21 wrote: I use vengance sometimes. Just for the drum hits and stuff though

accidentally posted that to early ...

Bassicly it mean if you pirate them your original work is technically theirs if you use there samples.

DJVI
DJVI
  • Member since: Jan. 4, 2010
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 12
Musician
Response to About Vengeance sample packs... 2013-02-16 04:58:16 Reply

I've been wondering the same. It's really confusing


Newest song: Rippers

The-iMortal
The-iMortal
  • Member since: Aug. 30, 2008
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 04
Musician
Response to About Vengeance sample packs... 2013-02-16 05:06:31 Reply

Just stick to the percussion and you'll be alright. Many pros use Vengeance drums.

sorohanro
sorohanro
  • Member since: Jul. 9, 2006
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Supporter
Level 28
Musician
Response to About Vengeance sample packs... 2013-02-16 05:16:13 Reply

Vengeance packs policy is like prostitution.
You have something, you sell it and after you sell it it's still yours...

Ragamuffin
Ragamuffin
  • Member since: Feb. 12, 2013
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 03
Musician
Response to About Vengeance sample packs... 2013-02-16 07:02:20 Reply

At 2/16/13 05:16 AM, sorohanro wrote: Vengeance packs policy is like prostitution.
You have something, you sell it and after you sell it it's still yours...

Kind of a great analogy, actually.


BBS Signature
stratkat
stratkat
  • Member since: Oct. 10, 2005
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 16
Musician
Response to About Vengeance sample packs... 2013-02-16 13:01:52 Reply

At 2/15/13 04:43 AM, bca wrote: I'm very confused about the license of the Vengeance sound/sample packs. I searched through forums and some people says that the samples can be only used for non-commercial purposes only. Is it really true? It doesn't make any sense because you have to pay a lot to get those sample packs.

However, I found the licence of the Vengeance sample packs on their website and here is part of it:

"The enclosed samples in these downloadable packs are licensed to you, not sold to you, by Vengeance Sound. Ownership remains with Vengeance Sound. The one-shot samples and drum-loops may be reproduced in whole or in part within your original musical compositions/productions only. All melodies, melodic loops and compositions are licenced for non-commercial use only. All copying, lending, duplicating, re-selling or trading of this product or its content is strictly prohibited. Only the original purchaser of this product has the right to embody and reproduce the enclosed sound samples within their music compositions."

So does this mean that I can use drum-loops and one-shot samples like special effects, sweeps up and down and stuff like that freely on my songs for commercial use without doing anything and only samples with melodies can not be used for commercial purposes? I just want to be sure.

Basically when you buy a vec pack, you bought sound, which is music right?
They don't want you selling their sounds, they want you to create sound using their sounds only as a tool. Otherwise you'd just be reselling what they created. I think that's what they're trying to accomplish with this license, otherwise their packs would be worthless.

"The one-shot samples and drum-loops may be reproduced in whole or in part within your original musical compositions/productions only. "

Seems like a green light for commercial use.

Poniiboi
Poniiboi
  • Member since: Mar. 1, 2012
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 17
Musician
Response to About Vengeance sample packs... 2013-02-16 22:55:02 Reply

At 2/15/13 10:48 AM, BrokenDeck wrote: The following Vengeance samples are explicitly considered duplo, and while not neccessarily unavailable for commercial use, are definitely against upload rules.

Future house (all volumes) 1, 2, 3 and 4.
Trance sensation vol.1,2 and 3
Dance explosion
Vengeance Dirty Electro Vol.1
Vengeance Dirty Electro Vol.2
Studio vocals (Recorded by Vengeance)
Total dance sounds vol.2
Ultimate fills vol.1

Do NOT use those Vengeance packs.

Thank-you for your attention.

As for the non-duplo vengeance packs, any of the ones available for commercial use are useable for uploads.

Dag, do people use Vengeance so much that it has to be banned?? I knew they were popular but not that popular.


no, really...DON'T CLICK THE PIC

BBS Signature
Poniiboi
Poniiboi
  • Member since: Mar. 1, 2012
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 17
Musician
Response to About Vengeance sample packs... 2013-02-16 23:03:12 Reply

At 2/15/13 04:43 AM, bca wrote: I'm very confused about the license of the Vengeance sound/sample packs. I searched through forums and some people says that the samples can be only used for non-commercial purposes only. Is it really true? It doesn't make any sense because you have to pay a lot to get those sample packs.

However, I found the licence of the Vengeance sample packs on their website and here is part of it:

"The enclosed samples in these downloadable packs are licensed to you, not sold to you, by Vengeance Sound. Ownership remains with Vengeance Sound. The one-shot samples and drum-loops may be reproduced in whole or in part within your original musical compositions/productions only. All melodies, melodic loops and compositions are licenced for non-commercial use only. All copying, lending, duplicating, re-selling or trading of this product or its content is strictly prohibited. Only the original purchaser of this product has the right to embody and reproduce the enclosed sound samples within their music compositions."

So does this mean that I can use drum-loops and one-shot samples like special effects, sweeps up and down and stuff like that freely on my songs for commercial use without doing anything and only samples with melodies can not be used for commercial purposes? I just want to be sure.

Oh and by the way, I checked a lot of forums and they said the part where you "can't" use the sounds in commercial releases is a mistype. I'd check though, but it seems pointless to sell packs for $100 a pop if they can't be used in commercial recordings. Only pros would spend that kind of money.


no, really...DON'T CLICK THE PIC

BBS Signature
Ectohelix
Ectohelix
  • Member since: Jul. 30, 2012
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 01
Musician
Response to About Vengeance sample packs... 2013-02-18 11:23:48 Reply

At 2/16/13 01:01 PM, stratkat wrote: "The one-shot samples and drum-loops may be reproduced in whole or in part within your original musical compositions/productions only. "

Seems like a green light for commercial use.

This. Which basically sounds like once you've bought it, you've got it, unlike the rest. As far as Newgrounds policy, it would seem a little unfair to crack down on people using 1 shots & drum loops split up into a completely different arrangement, but it does make me wonder where the line is drawn.

I, like many, use the drums (not the loops/sweeps/etc) and do wonder where the line is drawn. If ANYTHING from the packs is considered duplo, ... then I want to know for sure. I can switch out kits for the version I post on Newgrounds... granted it wouldn't always sound entirely genuine and 'belonging' to the mix.


Find me on: Facebook, Twitter, or Soundcloud.