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Is it legal? 2013-02-14 14:30:36 Reply

Hey guys! I'm working on a new project using FL studio 10 and there's something bothering me. I'm using a sample from Toxic Biohazard software but I don't know if I can use it and upload the song here on newgrounds. So guys, can I?

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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 14:33:54 Reply

At 2/14/13 02:30 PM, DaftLucas wrote: Hey guys! I'm working on a new project using FL studio 10 and there's something bothering me. I'm using a sample from Toxic Biohazard software but I don't know if I can use it and upload the song here on newgrounds. So guys, can I?

Presets are not illegal.
However!
I recommend strongly against using them, for the sake of improving one's sound-design abilities and general understanding of synthesis and sound modification.


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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 14:40:40 Reply

At 2/14/13 02:33 PM, ATTW7-Envy wrote:
Presets are not illegal.
However!
I recommend strongly against using them, for the sake of improving one's sound-design abilities and general understanding of synthesis and sound modification.

LMAO, I would choke to death if majority of artists on here don't use presets. Omnisphere, anyone?

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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 14:40:55 Reply

At 2/14/13 02:33 PM, ATTW7-Envy wrote:
At 2/14/13 02:30 PM, DaftLucas wrote: Hey guys! I'm working on a new project using FL studio 10 and there's something bothering me. I'm using a sample from Toxic Biohazard software but I don't know if I can use it and upload the song here on newgrounds. So guys, can I?
Presets are not illegal.
However!
I recommend strongly against using them, for the sake of improving one's sound-design abilities and general understanding of synthesis and sound modification.

Well, a good sample now and then can save a LOT of time. I'm completely against any samples with "melody", but a quick sweep / bleep / whatever now and then can save a lot of time. :)
I already started making my own samples to save time when working on songs in the future.

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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 14:41:39 Reply

At 2/14/13 02:33 PM, ATTW7-Envy wrote: Presets are not illegal.
However!
I recommend strongly against using them, for the sake of improving one's sound-design abilities and general understanding of synthesis and sound modification.

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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 14:44:10 Reply

At 2/14/13 02:33 PM, ATTW7-Envy wrote:
At 2/14/13 02:30 PM, DaftLucas wrote: Hey guys! I'm working on a new project using FL studio 10 and there's something bothering me. I'm using a sample from Toxic Biohazard software but I don't know if I can use it and upload the song here on newgrounds. So guys, can I?
Presets are not illegal.
However!
I recommend strongly against using them, for the sake of improving one's sound-design abilities and general understanding of synthesis and sound modification.

Well, a good sample now and then can save a LOT of time. I'm completely against any samples with "melody", but a quick sweep / bleep / whatever now and then can save a lot of time. :)
I already started making my own samples to save time when working on songs in the future.

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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 14:44:47 Reply

At 2/14/13 02:40 PM, wandschrank wrote: Well, a good sample now and then can save a LOT of time. I'm completely against any samples with "melody", but a quick sweep / bleep / whatever now and then can save a lot of time. :)
I already started making my own samples to save time when working on songs in the future.

Samples are awesome, yeah! I make a ton of then when I'm bored or uninspired or procrastinating.
Toxic Biohazard isn't a sampling instrument though, and he was definitely referring to it's preset synth patches.

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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 14:52:38 Reply

Oh, okay. I did not look up what this Toxic Biohazard thing is, thought it was a sample pack.

Yes, make your own presets. Check the default ones for inspiration & to know how the synth works, then make some from scratch. :)

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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 15:01:23 Reply

At 2/14/13 02:52 PM, wandschrank wrote: Yes, make your own presets.

I can not recommend anything more to a new electronic musician. (Other than learn not to loudness war).

One good example of self-preset making, is that every time i get a new synth, I first learn where all the basic features are. Then I go through and make a clean bass, dirty bass, clean lead, dirty lead, clean pad, firty pa- .. you get it. I do all the things, saving the sounds as presets. I keep them generic, so that when I load them into the track I want, I can jump right into tweaking them exactly how I want them to be.

Here's an example of melodic self-sampling: have an MPD32, that I use for live performances with a band. I'll load u-He's ACE, and put a little sub in. Super simple, anyone can do it. Then I'll record some chords and covert them to audio files (Samples), when I'll then load into a sampler (Like Ableton's Drum Rack, or FL FPC) and drop the sounds on the pads, when can then be played and manipulated from the MPD however I want!

The possibilities are literally endless . . .

Unless you're just a preset peruser, then you're limited to what your plugins come with, and what can be scrounged around on the internet.

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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 15:03:18 Reply

It's pretty much impossible to record your own orchestra samples. I don't see what's wrong with using a preset string section. Even the best composers on here use East West, Kontakt, Orchestral Tools, Cinesamples, etc. If you'd make that illegal you can delete over 99% of the songs uploaded here.
But even if you play all of the instruments yourself, you still haven't build them. And if you have build them you haven't invented them, or you planted the trees the wood for your instruments came from. Face it. No matter how much of a song you make yourself, you always depend on other people. And then I'm only talking about performance, not the theory behind the music. That's either cultural, human nature and most likely a combination. No single human being can create a culture, let alone (human) nature. I put human in brackets because we know very little about music perception in animals.


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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 15:10:28 Reply

At 2/14/13 03:03 PM, SourJovis wrote: It's pretty much impossible to record your own orchestra samples.

While you make a good point, we're not talking about sample libraries.
OP's inquiry is about synth presets.

And maybe not orchestra, but it's very, oh very so much realistic to get crazy with your sampler, and make instruments out of things you thought implausible.

Sample libraries are cool, tho.

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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 15:31:04 Reply

If it's a instrument preset, then it's fine to use.

if it's a preset of pre-made duplo loops, then that is not okay, and is actually a bannable offense, since it does not constitute as your own music.


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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 16:02:18 Reply

Preset - Sample - Loop, 3 different words meaning 3 different things. Learn the terms you use.

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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 16:39:36 Reply

At 2/14/13 03:10 PM, ATTW7-Envy wrote:
While you make a good point, we're not talking about sample libraries.
OP's inquiry is about synth presets.

The sound of orchestral libraries is just as much determined by others as a synth preset is.

And maybe not orchestra, but it's very, oh very so much realistic to get crazy with your sampler, and make instruments out of things you thought implausible.

The more you do yourself the better. But there isn't a strict line between what's your own and when it's borrowed from others. I think as song is never 100% original. It always contains thgings that have been done before.


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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 16:47:01 Reply

At 2/14/13 04:39 PM, SourJovis wrote: The more you do yourself the better. But there isn't a strict line between what's your own and when it's borrowed from others. I think as song is never 100% original. It always contains thgings that have been done before.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't think you understand me.
I never said

Oh no, don't use presets, that's wrong.

I said

I strongly recommend not using presets [in synths] so that you'll learn the mechanics of sound design.

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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 16:48:44 Reply

At 2/14/13 04:02 PM, sorohanro wrote: Preset - Sample - Loop, 3 different words meaning 3 different things. Learn the terms you use.

Sure they're different things. That being said, samplers often have presets, you can create loops out samples or with the use of synth presets, you can cut samples from a loop, load it in a sampler, tweak the settings and save it as a preset. Btw, if you're talking about banning the use of presets, you should think about what that means for the use of samples and or loops. Should they be abolished for the same reasons, or do the reasons to keep using samples also aply to the use of synth presets?


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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 17:01:50 Reply

At 2/14/13 04:48 PM, SourJovis wrote: Btw, if you're talking about banning the use of presets

No one is talking about this.


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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 17:05:15 Reply

At 2/14/13 04:47 PM, ATTW7-Envy wrote: I understand what you're saying, but I don't think you understand me.
I never said
Oh no, don't use presets, that's wrong.
I said
I strongly recommend not using presets [in synths] so that you'll learn the mechanics of sound design.

Yes I get what you mean. But the OP's question was "Is it legal?" (see topic). And to give a straight answer, "I don't make the rules here, but I think it should not be." For the reasons I've given. Also I think the presets are in the DAWs, synths or whatever to be used, and create new songs with. Of course you learn more by creating your own synth settings, so I agree with you. Also the less your sound is determined by others the more unique your song becomes. Those are all advantages of not using presets, or altering presets as much as you can. But I don't think the use of presets should be "Illegal", which is the question at hand. Composition, playing/singing skills, mixing, mastering etc have a value on their own. Every one has her/his own qualities. You don't have to be a synth wizzard to be a good musician.


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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 17:06:25 Reply

At 2/14/13 04:39 PM, SourJovis wrote:
At 2/14/13 03:10 PM, ATTW7-Envy wrote:
While you make a good point, we're not talking about sample libraries.
OP's inquiry is about synth presets.
The sound of orchestral libraries is just as much determined by others as a synth preset is.

I never thought about it that way, and you're actually right. :o

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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 17:12:03 Reply

At 2/14/13 05:01 PM, ATTW7-Envy wrote: No one is talking about this.

Banning and not legalizing are essentially the same thing. So yes, we're all talking about this.


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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 17:13:37 Reply

At 2/14/13 05:05 PM, SourJovis wrote: But I don't think the use of presets should be "Illegal", which is the question at hand. Composition, playing/singing skills, mixing, mastering etc have a value on their own. Every one has her/his own qualities. You don't have to be a synth wizzard to be a good musician.

You're still disagreeing with me when what you're saying is exactly what I'm saying.
We've already established that it's not illegal, and there's nothing morally wrong with it.
Please stop repeating what's already been discussed.


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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 17:18:44 Reply

At 2/14/13 05:13 PM, ATTW7-Envy wrote: You're still disagreeing with me when what you're saying is exactly what I'm saying.

It was you who said I disagree with you. I just want to say disagree with that.


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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 17:21:39 Reply

At 2/14/13 05:18 PM, SourJovis wrote:
At 2/14/13 05:13 PM, ATTW7-Envy wrote: You're still disagreeing with me when what you're saying is exactly what I'm saying.
It was you who said I disagree with you. I just want to say disagree with that.

Is English your first language?
Are you on alcohol or something?
You are astoundingly difficult.

Anyways, I've said my peace.


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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 17:22:51 Reply

At 2/14/13 05:21 PM, ATTW7-Envy wrote:
At 2/14/13 05:18 PM, SourJovis wrote:
At 2/14/13 05:13 PM, ATTW7-Envy wrote: You're still disagreeing with me when what you're saying is exactly what I'm saying.
It was you who said I disagree with you. I just want to say disagree with that.
Is English your first language?
Are you on alcohol or something?
You are astoundingly difficult.

Relax guys, I love you both. :)

(And I'm not wearing any pants right now.)

(Excuse me if this causes misunderstandings, but English is not my first language..!)

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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 17:38:36 Reply

At 2/14/13 05:22 PM, wandschrank wrote:
At 2/14/13 05:21 PM, ATTW7-Envy wrote:
At 2/14/13 05:18 PM, SourJovis wrote:
At 2/14/13 05:13 PM, ATTW7-Envy wrote: You're still disagreeing with me when what you're saying is exactly what I'm saying.
It was you who said I disagree with you. I just want to say disagree with that.
Is English your first language?
Are you on alcohol or something?
You are astoundingly difficult.
Relax guys, I love you both. :)

(And I'm not wearing any pants right now.)

(Excuse me if this causes misunderstandings, but English is not my first language..!)

Haha okay. Love you both too. English isn't my first language either (not that I see why that would matter.)
Anyway I too said my piece... Peace.


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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 17:42:07 Reply

Okay guys! After everything I read here I decide not to submit the song on NG, but I'll keep it for practicing. Thank you very much guys. (and sorry for start a discuss among you. ^^''')

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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 17:49:37 Reply

Legalize it!

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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 17:55:17 Reply

At 2/14/13 03:01 PM, ATTW7-Envy wrote: I can not recommend anything more to a new electronic musician. (Other than learn not to loudness war).

I like presets, as a way of seeing what the synth can do. Of course I mess around with it, but I like to hear some things the developers could do with it.


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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 18:32:05 Reply

Loops - not always legally to use on NG, not always allowed to be used in commercial tracks and sometimes by using those, your track gets automatically under a license controlled* by the creator of the loops.

Samples - sometimes "one hit" or instruments sampled note by note. Those are used to re-create an instrument that is not always accessible to everybody.
Some might use the term "samples" for loops or snippets of pre-recorded tracks.

Presets - well, that is a saved configuration of knobs twisted and turned on a virtual device. Can be a synth, a rompler/ sampler or even a effect. You can see the presets on FL Studio compressors or EQ.

1-Using loops is maybe useful to learn, but generally speaking that's music made by other people, so calling it "my song" is inaccurate.
2-Using presets is helpful to understand HOW things were made. Also, depends on the goal and focus. If you're focusing to composition, then do that and make your music. If you're focusing on sound design, you'd better learn your synth and do things from scratch.
Nobody really go against classical composers that they were writing music for violins and piano and they didn't design the instruments from scratch.
3-* the word "controlling" contains in it "trolling", so be careful with that.

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Response to Is it legal? 2013-02-14 19:30:45 Reply

If using the presets in synths were "illegal" then we would never have the great Avicii.


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