At 2/9/13 07:28 PM, Warforger wrote:
Yah I don't see gun control people doing anything remotely like that.
ooh wow you found, what 2 people and try to paint everyone with the same brush. hang on.
My point is that the ones on the Gun rights side are delusional and more insane.
I can only laugh at this. you find one or two conspiracy theorists and try to say everyone on the gun rights side is like that. Hate to break it to you, but you're very, very wrong. One thing the gun rights side can do that the gun control side can't. argue with cold, unemotional logic and win. about all I've heard from those wanting to ban 'assault weapons' is emotional arguments, mostly fear mongering, about why these guns are 'so dangerous' when the very bullets designed to go in these weapons are designed to not be lethal. BY DESIGN!
He's an elitist because people say he is apparently. He really isn't, it's just that whereas Obama is making gains in groups with higher incomes the Republicans are trying to crack into the people with low incomes and so painting him as an elitist helps them appeal to poorer people.
That's a better argument. I just wish the NRA and gun rights people talked like that alot more often instead of just throwing unrelated insults and offensive conspiracy theories.
they do, that information doesn't get much attention. this is a good article though I doubt it ever wound up on the front page of their website, nor did it ever end up in print. it's also a 4 part series of articles. be sure to read them all.
Also, let's examine the speech in which Feinstein announces her AWB bill.
let's look at the outright lies.
0:31 weapons designed by the military to kill large numbers of people in close combat.
utter and complete bull shit. military guns are not designed to kill, but to injure.
0:58 ... at gun shows with no questions asked.
those selling guns at gunshows are licensed dealers who have to perform background checks, same as those who sell guns in stores.
1:15 .. Columbine, Virginia Tech, Aurora, Tucson, Oak Creek. the common thread in these shootings is each gunman used a semiautomatic assault weapon or a high capacity magazine.
bull shit again. #1, what regulatory body set the standard for what a 'high capacity magazine' is? oh that's right. the gun grabbers when they did their first assault weapons ban. I can't find anything on any ACTUAL regulatory body setting a standard, only politicians using scare tactics. you would figure, i dunno, the ATF having a say on it.
Columbine shooting. the only rifle was a Hi-Point model 995 carbine rifle. it's not an assault weapon.
the Virginia Tech shooter used a pair of pistols. some of his clips were 15 rounds. however, it is to be noted he carried 19 clips in total. the number of bullets in each clip is kind of moot when you have that many clips on you. no assault weapons here.
Aurora: 1 point for Feinstein.
Oak creek: Springfield XD(M) 9-millimeter semi-automatic pistol. not an assault weapon.
out of all the examples she gave, ONE had an 'assault weapon' 2 if you count sandy hook. the aurora shooter used a 100 round drum with his rifle (dumbass) which makes the gun VERY heavy and unwieldly. a gun with a 100 round drum is about 10-11 pounds. hold something that weighs 10 pounds for a short time, and unless you're actively working out it's going to get heavy on you, quickly. there is a reason why the military doesn't use such large drums. they kill accuracy, tire out of the shooter, and they jam. often. It's also the reason why machine guns use belt fed guns. so yeah, Holmes was a dumbass and that probably saved more lives than the gun took.
1:33 military style assault weapons have but one purpose, and in my view it's a military purpose, to hold at the hip if possible, to spray fire, to be able to kill large numbers.
again. bull shit. no competent shooter is going to hip fire, even with a shotgun you don't hip fire, or spray. you only see that in movies and video games. I guess she watched a few war movies and think she's an expert on guns. Also, keeping control of any gun on full auto is damn near impossible if you just hold the trigger.
2:15 ... powerful military style weapons
a standard hunting rifle is more deadly, as is a shotgun.
2:57 these news models (of assault weapons) are more powerful, more lethal, and more technologically advanced.
a gun is only as powerful as the bullet it shoots. so.. yeah. bull shit.
this woman is popping off 2 full on lies a minute with a half truth tossed in. the rest of it is emotional drivel tossed in. 350 people died to 'assault' weapons in 10 years? more people die of the flu every year. more people die texting and driving every year. more people die from alcohol related deaths (wrecks, alcohol poisoning, etc) every year. more people die from alcohol related crashes every DAY. I would wager more people die to bow hunting accidents each year.