At 2/5/13 10:45 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
At 2/5/13 09:59 PM, OwnageGiy223 wrote:
To prevent 200,000 people from dying (or whatever the number is) over the course of a few days, we should let millions die in a ground war over the course of years. Makes sense.This is far from how it would have played out. Some of the greatest US generals ever, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Nimitz , Truman's Chief of Staff, and high up intelligence officers all say it wasn't necessary at all.
Yeah, but did the Kamikaze bombers know that, or the people who would rather commit ritual suicide than be captured by American forces? It's not a stretch to say that the invasion of the Japanese Mainland would have been easily been in the millions, a large amount of that due to ritual suicide, considering their twisted code of Bushido meant that death was better than surrender.
"The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan." Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet
Except that it did. While the Japanese brass as a whole had different opinions, it is assumed that most of them wanted to keep fighting because they thought that a mass invasion was coming. Thankfully, that didn't happen.
"The use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons...
You can't say that with 100% certainty, because they didn't surrender when they had several chances to do so before, and they scoffed at that. While it was a frightening sight for the folks of Hiroshima and Nagasaki when the bombs dropped, the leadership should've known that was coming, and the price had to be paid for their refusal.
We made them pay for their ignorance and arrogance, can't say that they didn't had it coming given the circumstances.
The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages.
Atomic warfare is an evil specter that has been around since the bombings, but in comparison to the Japanese brutality against the Chinese and others in occupied Asia, and their own hubris, the A-bombings was more than justified at the end of the day. Japan knew of the consequences of a nuclear weapon, and we're pretty damn lucky no one else had to as of today.