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At 2/4/13 12:37 AM, saqwert wrote: We should bomb everything that is Africa, India and generally areas where the people are brown

I hope you're just taking the piss!

At 2/4/13 12:29 AM, GrizzlyOne wrote: what is your opinions on nucealr bombs? should they be used against other countries or not?

Man, I miss the good old times when the cool guys still fought with swords. No, nuclear weapons should never be used, because that would eradicate all life on the planet. Although I'd bet you Americans would be crazy enough to do that if you had the chance and a good excuse. Now I understand what the Vikings meant with "Ragnarok".

At 2/4/13 11:24 AM, Saen wrote: Geesh does your insanity or stupidity inhibit you from reading the 2nd amendment? Next thing we know you'll be ranting about how the constitution says nothing about machine guns and si rifles!! If I'm not allowed to keep every weapon ever created in my trailer home then Amurica, it's time for another revolution!!!

You're kind of not too bright, huh?

At 2/4/13 11:35 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
You're kind of not too bright, huh?

I love my country.

They're the bomb.
Holy fuck I'm hilarious.

At 2/5/13 10:10 AM, Saen wrote:

At 2/4/13 11:35 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
You're kind of not too bright, huh?

I love my country.

Then I'll send you an nuclear bomb, now bai!

At 2/4/13 12:32 AM, Xenomit wrote: I wait for the day when America develops a nuke that doesn't have a massive radioactive fallout

So we can just carpet nuke anyone who threatens us

And then colonize their demolished countries and build up a one-world order

Neutron bombs?

At 2/5/13 11:29 AM, ZeroAsALimit wrote:

At 2/4/13 12:32 AM, Xenomit wrote: I wait for the day when America develops a nuke that doesn't have a massive radioactive fallout

So we can just carpet nuke anyone who threatens us

And then colonize their demolished countries and build up a one-world order

Neutron bombs?

Post Apocalypse?

At 2/5/13 10:10 AM, Saen wrote: I love my country.

But don't love it's citizens enough to respect their right to defend themselves and those around them.

At 2/5/13 02:41 PM, LemonCrush wrote:

At 2/5/13 10:10 AM, Saen wrote: I love my country.

But don't love it's citizens enough to respect their right to defend themselves and those around them.

That's exactly the point I was arguing for! Families need nukes and radioactive ammunition to have enough firepower to defend themselves! How are families going to protect themselves with nukes if the radioactive ammunition is limited to 10 tons!? How can I protect my family if I can't launch nukes at an automatic or semi-automatic rate of fire!!???

YALL VIALATIN' MAH CONSTITOOTION!!

At 2/5/13 03:42 PM, Saen wrote: YALL VIALATIN' MAH CONSTITOOTION!!

You can't love in America without having faith in the constitution. The constitution is the entire backbone of the nation.

At 2/5/13 03:56 PM, Xenomit wrote:

At 2/5/13 03:42 PM, Saen wrote: YALL VIALATIN' MAH CONSTITOOTION!!

You can't love in America without having faith in the constitution. The constitution is the entire backbone of the nation.

God you are such a buzzkill.

At 2/5/13 03:42 PM, Saen wrote: YALL VIALATIN' MAH CONSTITOOTION!!

Again, nuclear weapons are not mentioned in the Constitution, nor are they something that can even be used for self-defense in the first place.

A gun on the other hand (at least ones available to civilians), is solely made for self-defense purposes/

Your nuke/gun analog doesn't make any sense.

At 2/5/13 04:39 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
Again, nuclear weapons are not mentioned in the Constitution, nor are they something that can even be used for self-defense in the first place.

A gun on the other hand (at least ones available to civilians), is solely made for self-defense purposes/

Your nuke/gun analog doesn't make any sense.

Who are you to interpret the constitution loosely!? The right to bear arms!! Owning any weapon I want is a fundamental American right!

At 2/5/13 04:42 PM, Saen wrote:

:Owning any weapon I want is a fundamental American right!

Show me where the Constitution says that.

At 2/4/13 09:18 AM, Ganon-Dorf wrote:

In another note, I don't think they should ever be used, I'm even against Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

To prevent 200,000 people from dying (or whatever the number is) over the course of a few days, we should let millions die in a ground war over the course of years. Makes sense.

At 2/4/13 12:30 AM, Sekhem wrote: only on israel

thread should have ended here tbh

At 2/5/13 09:59 PM, OwnageGiy223 wrote: To prevent 200,000 people from dying (or whatever the number is) over the course of a few days, we should let millions die in a ground war over the course of years. Makes sense.

This is far from how it would have played out. Some of the greatest US generals ever, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Nimitz , Truman's Chief of Staff, and high up intelligence officers all say it wasn't necessary at all.

"The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan." Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet

"The use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons... The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children." Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to President Truman

At 2/5/13 10:45 PM, LemonCrush wrote:

At 2/5/13 09:59 PM, OwnageGiy223 wrote: To prevent 200,000 people from dying (or whatever the number is) over the course of a few days, we should let millions die in a ground war over the course of years. Makes sense.

This is far from how it would have played out. Some of the greatest US generals ever, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Nimitz , Truman's Chief of Staff, and high up intelligence officers all say it wasn't necessary at all.

Yeah, but did the Kamikaze bombers know that, or the people who would rather commit ritual suicide than be captured by American forces? It's not a stretch to say that the invasion of the Japanese Mainland would have been easily been in the millions, a large amount of that due to ritual suicide, considering their twisted code of Bushido meant that death was better than surrender.

"The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan." Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet

Except that it did. While the Japanese brass as a whole had different opinions, it is assumed that most of them wanted to keep fighting because they thought that a mass invasion was coming. Thankfully, that didn't happen.

"The use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons...

You can't say that with 100% certainty, because they didn't surrender when they had several chances to do so before, and they scoffed at that. While it was a frightening sight for the folks of Hiroshima and Nagasaki when the bombs dropped, the leadership should've known that was coming, and the price had to be paid for their refusal.

We made them pay for their ignorance and arrogance, can't say that they didn't had it coming given the circumstances.

The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages.

Atomic warfare is an evil specter that has been around since the bombings, but in comparison to the Japanese brutality against the Chinese and others in occupied Asia, and their own hubris, the A-bombings was more than justified at the end of the day. Japan knew of the consequences of a nuclear weapon, and we're pretty damn lucky no one else had to as of today.