I don't get George Washington, he did little at all. He crushed a rebellion I guess but he also signed the Jay Treaty, an action that proved to be his most unpopular as it actually brought him criticism from a then unknown Representative from Tennessee Andrew Jackson (most other people attacked John Jay the negotiator and avoided Washington as he was too popular).
Anyway, I usually pick someone like Johnson or Truman or Wilson to spite people who downplay their achievements and overplay their failures. Anyways if I want a President who did what the Constitution was intended to do AND still manage to do anything good I'd pick Clinton, the reason i don't pick someone like FDR or Lincoln is because they pretty much had control of the government and thus they're doing what the Constitution was intended to do i.e. limit how much power one group could have (and in the case of Lincoln Jesus Christ did he go far). His foreign policy was more or less superb, stand up against genocide, respecting a nations sovereignty etc. etc. his domestic policy was all compromise, which is exactly what the Constitution intends to do (and is more or less how the Constitution was written anyway).
At 1/30/13 02:21 AM, LemonCrush wrote:
George Washington had it right.
He was the only one that actually fully followed the Constitution. His vision for America, that is, equal liberties, non-interventionism, government leaving the people the fuck alone, is what should be today...
George Washington did not believe in most of that. In fact his financial policy started up a rebellion because his taxes were too high. He also created the first National Bank. In fact while he detested political parties he was leaning to the Federalists, who were pretty much for an aristocratic republic.
2nd would be Ike. The last good president we had. For one, he was actually smart. Secondly, he wasn't a self aggrandizing piece of shit liar. He had flaws too (Social security expansion), but his pros (non-interventionism, immigration policy, low national debt, and near-zero inflation, and of course, the interstate system) far outweigh his negatives or short comings.
Non-interventionism? HAHAHA! That was done by the time he took office all the isolationists were gone by that point and it ceased to be a relevant political issue. If anything he was even more interventionist, in fact he re-installed the Shah of Iran, that action led to the current Islamic Republic of Iran (if he hadn't had done that Iran would probably be a pretty stable Parliamentary Democracy right now and a good friend of the US). He bombed Guatemala and overthrew the government there because "it might be Communist" and replaced it with a bloodthristy dictatorship (this was the case with Iran, it really does not make the US government at the time look very bright). He also allowed South Vietnam not to participate in a unified election and began American intervention there. His one bright spot was when he literally could not make any connection with World Communism and the Egyptian takeover of the Suez Canal (whereas he could in the case with Iran and Guatemala) and stood up for Egypt. Truman by comparison had quite the better foreign policy in terms of how it would've been had Eisenhower not destabilized so many countries in an effort to stop Communism real or imaginary, he supported anti-colonial movements, supported Iran in its case against Britain, came to South Korea's aid when it needed it and when Korea was about to be fully Communist (although that didn't really end up very well).
For inflation, nope actually a big talking point for the Democrats in the period was the pretty high inflation, you can see it as the message of their campaign ads. And again that's not a fair talking point because inflation always occurs when you have a booming economy.
As for immigration policy what did he do? He kept the National Origins act, that racist piece of legislation passed during the peak of racism in the US (at least against other white people) which imposed quotas on nations based on their race, if they were Northern European they were allowed in at bigger numbers, Southern and Eastern European were limited and everyone else was pretty much banned aside from a few Mexicans in the South West. The Chinese Exclusion act was repealed by either FDR or Truman I can't recall which. But the guy who you're looking for who's responsible for the modern immigration system that wasn't racist as hell is Lyndon Baines Johnson, he repealed the National Origins act and let in the flood gates for Latin America and Asia. But god forbid he get credit for anything because uh VIETNAM! and uhh vietnam?
At 1/29/13 11:58 PM, Iron-Hampster wrote:
Jefferson. Dealt with international conflicts peacefully, cut taxes, cut military spending, and reduced government power while letting go of unneeded staff. biggest things he used government for would have been Louis and Clark expedition and buying land from France... oh and that affair with one of his slaves thing... lol.
His foreign policy was shit. It solved absolutely nothing and made everything worse. Because of his embargo on both Britain and France the North East went into a depression and it had little effect on Britain and France from stopping what they were doing before (i.e. impressment). His cutting of military spending also left the nation vulnerable, in fact it had risen under Adams because they needed it to combat the French who were fighting America. His disastrous actions pretty much led to the War of 1812. His only good spot on Foreign policy was the war in Libya where he essentially sent a couple of Marines with a shitton of guns, got an army of mercenaries and burned Tripoli (this was the 2nd time they've gone to war, we're on the 3rd time).
At 1/30/13 11:42 AM, Fim wrote:
In order for you to have that opinion you need to gloss over a lot of what he did, check out his documentary which includes interviews with his son, and plenty of high profile people in his administration.
I know it's long and you are lazy, so just check out the part at 1h:04:40. The 7-10 minutes there is all you really need to know.
Well his son Ron Reagan is actually pretty Liberal and hates his dad's policies, but he himself is still better than the Republicans we have today because he didn't let that get in the way of getting along. The guy stood up for gay rights when they were almost barred from teaching in California, the guy went on camera and said that the right to strike is a fundamental human right. If any Republican were to do that today on the national level they wouldn't get past the primaries even if they were an incumbent.