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Favorite president and why? Jan. 29th, 2013 @ 10:57 PM Reply

Regardless of whether or not you were alive during any president's term, who is your favorite president?

For me hands down it's Teddy Roosevelt. Not only do I think he's the best president, but probably the most badass person who has existed. First naturalist president, established the first national park Yellowstone, explored and traveled the world. A true Republican.

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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 29th, 2013 @ 11:05 PM Reply

Good 'ole Honest Abe. Abolition FTW.

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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 29th, 2013 @ 11:58 PM Reply

Jefferson. Dealt with international conflicts peacefully, cut taxes, cut military spending, and reduced government power while letting go of unneeded staff. biggest things he used government for would have been Louis and Clark expedition and buying land from France... oh and that affair with one of his slaves thing... lol.


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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 12:45 AM Reply

It's a tie between George Washington and Abraham Lincoln....I don't want to choose between either of them....

...So I'll choose the next greatest president, in my opinion: Franklin D. Roosevelt. He may not have been a badass like his cousin Teddy, but he showed excellent leadership skills during the Great Depression and World War II and laid out a beautiful vision for a more interconnected world; he helped create the U.N. As flawed as that institution is, its goals are noble, and they are held because Franklin held them and stood by them.

FDR was awesome.


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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 02:21 AM Reply

George Washington had it right.

He was the only one that actually fully followed the Constitution. His vision for America, that is, equal liberties, non-interventionism, government leaving the people the fuck alone, is what should be today...

2nd would be Ike. The last good president we had. For one, he was actually smart. Secondly, he wasn't a self aggrandizing piece of shit liar. He had flaws too (Social security expansion), but his pros (non-interventionism, immigration policy, low national debt, and near-zero inflation, and of course, the interstate system) far outweigh his negatives or short comings.

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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 02:30 AM Reply

Better question would have been within X years (more recent ones)

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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 09:01 AM Reply

At 1/30/13 02:30 AM, Ceratisa wrote: Better question would have been within X years (more recent ones)

Meh then all the replies you would see would either be FDR or Reagan. Speaking of which I'm pretty surprised I haven't seen a Reagan post yet.

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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 09:04 AM Reply

Gotta say I am a big fan of Clinton, and I think it's very admirable what he's chosen to do outside of office with his charity work too.


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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 09:14 AM Reply

At 1/30/13 09:01 AM, Saen wrote:
At 1/30/13 02:30 AM, Ceratisa wrote: Better question would have been within X years (more recent ones)
Meh then all the replies you would see would either be FDR or Reagan. Speaking of which I'm pretty surprised I haven't seen a Reagan post yet.

Some republicans seemed to have a very warped memory of what Reagan was actually like. And seem to tactfully forget the fact that he did more damage to the deficit than any other president, believed ketchup was a vegetable, and sold a bunch of weapons to Iran and then lied about it. I can't decide which of the 3 is worse.

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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 09:30 AM Reply

At 1/30/13 09:01 AM, Saen wrote:
At 1/30/13 02:30 AM, Ceratisa wrote: Better question would have been within X years (more recent ones)
Meh then all the replies you would see would either be FDR or Reagan. Speaking of which I'm pretty surprised I haven't seen a Reagan post yet.

Ronald Reagan. A very true heroic Republican in my opinion, and while there's a lot of mixed opinions on him because of all the scandals his administration went through. But when Air Controllers went on strike which is against federal law, he said "that's nice now fuck you" and fired them all, replacing them with military pilots until new ones could come in. His presidency started off in the 80s recession after the horrid 70s and while I don't know much on financial politics I know he brought in several tax reforms and a year or two into the 80s the economy started to get back on track.

He really brought some kicks into the Cold War as well, showing off his anti-communism side and taking a new turn to tactics with the Soviets eventually bringing them down which would lead to their collapse in 1991. He accomplished many achievements within a few military interventions and he escalated the War on Drugs which I personally think is worth fighting for. He also reformed immigration something which apparently is going to happen very soon with Obama's administration.


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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 11:42 AM Reply

At 1/30/13 09:20 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: Reagan.
At 1/30/13 09:30 AM, tyler2513 wrote: Ronald Reagan. A very true heroic Republican in my opinion

Really?

In order for you to have that opinion you need to gloss over a lot of what he did, check out his documentary which includes interviews with his son, and plenty of high profile people in his administration.

I know it's long and you are lazy, so just check out the part at 1h:04:40. The 7-10 minutes there is all you really need to know.


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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 11:56 AM Reply

reagan was a hero

-supported anti-communist organizations
-economically crippled the USSR
- dropped inflation from the carter administration by 8% down to 4.4%
- survived a assassination attempt
- Approved the support of Afghans against the Soviet invasion

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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 12:07 PM Reply

At 1/30/13 12:45 AM, Light wrote: He may not have been a badass like his cousin Teddy

I take it that you've never seen FDR: American Badass?


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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 12:14 PM Reply

At 1/30/13 11:56 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: reagan was a hero

-supported anti-communist organizations
-economically crippled the USSR
- dropped inflation from the carter administration by 8% down to 4.4%
- survived a assassination attempt
- Approved the support of Afghans against the Soviet invasion

You even watch that link I sent you?
I don't think surviving an assassination attempt bears any relevance to how good his actual policies were.

- He raised taxes and is on the record for saying the 'homeless were homeless by choice'. He was strongly again
- He took too long to respond to AIDS.
- He gave amnesty to 2.6 million illegal immigrants.
- At the end of Reagan's term there were 33 Million people living below the poverty line in the US, 7 million More than when he took office.
- He tripled the deficit. We are still living with the repercussions of that today.
- He traded money and weapons to Iran for hostages, an act that he knew was illegal, and then lied about it. When it came out he weaseled out of any responsibility.
- He cut taxes on the richest in America, whilst raising them for the middle classes, and is on the record for saying the 'homeless were homeless by choice'.


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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 12:20 PM Reply

At 1/30/13 12:14 PM, Fim wrote: - He raised taxes and is on the record for saying the 'homeless were homeless by choice'. He was strongly again
- He cut taxes on the richest in America, whilst raising them for the middle classes, and is on the record for saying the 'homeless were homeless by choice'.

God I really need to proofread..

Also,

At 1/30/13 11:56 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: - Approved the support of Afghans against the Soviet invasion

I think what you mean to say was that he sent billions of dollars to terrorists agencies... "Prepping for a possible war with the Soviet Union, Ronald Reagan spent billions of dollars funding the Islamist mujahidin Freedom Fighters in Afghanistan. With billions of American dollars, weapons and training coming their way, the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden took everything they were given and gave it back to the United States over a decade later in the worst possible way imaginable."


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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 12:33 PM Reply

At 1/30/13 12:14 PM, Fim wrote: You even watch that link I sent you?

it wouldn't let me skip unless im on Youtube and im on my phone and it would take forever to load and stream something that big.

- He took too long to respond to AIDS.

OOOH AIDS who the fuck cares?

- He gave amnesty to 2.6 million illegal immigrants.

Obama did the same thing with the Dream Act.

- At the end of Reagan's term there were 33 Million people living below the poverty line in the US, 7 million More than when he took office.

and there was 40 Million after obama's first term your point?

- He tripled the deficit. We are still living with the repercussions of that today.

Bush's last day the deficit was 9 Trillion and now its 16 Trillion

- He traded money and weapons to Iran for hostages, an act that he knew was illegal, and then lied about it. When it came out he weaseled out of any responsibility.

and Obama had Fast and Furious to Drug Cartels.

- He cut taxes on the richest in America, whilst raising them for the middle classes, and is on the record for saying the

so has clinton and bush and obama.

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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 12:34 PM Reply

At 1/30/13 12:14 PM, Fim wrote:
At 1/30/13 11:56 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:
You even watch that link I sent you?

That was me you sent the link to actually, your getting usernames mixed up.


- He raised taxes and is on the record for saying the 'homeless were homeless by choice'. He was strongly again

While the economy may have had a wider gap in health and a larger number of people homeless, the economy was once again efficient and towards the end of his Presidency plenty more jobs were being created. Sure, while DURING his two terms homelessness was in vain, while afterwards the homeless numbers began to go down as a result of his Reaganomics.

- He took too long to respond to AIDS.

AIDS came around in the early 80s when there really was no sort of treatment that could even help the disease. There wasn't much he could do but at least he supported education studies about the disease.

- He gave amnesty to 2.6 million illegal immigrants.

Actually I'd say he reformed immigration very nicely. He required immigrants to show their immigration status to employers, made it illegal to hire anyone with no legal status, and those 2.6 million illegal immigrants that were granted legal status had to pay a fine, pay all taxes since due and admit guilt.

- At the end of Reagan's term there were 33 Million people living below the poverty line in the US, 7 million More than when he took office.

There was a drop in poverty and the tax cuts eventually would be passed on to the poor.

- He tripled the deficit. We are still living with the repercussions of that today.

I can't think of anything to say for this. You are right my good man and that is a true disappointment.

- He traded money and weapons to Iran for hostages, an act that he knew was illegal, and then lied about it. When it came out he weaseled out of any responsibility.

Actually he did appear on national television and accepted full responsibility for the affair and it started out as a strategic move and deteriorated as trading arms for hostages.

- He cut taxes on the richest in America, whilst raising them for the middle classes, and is on the record for saying the 'homeless were homeless by choice'.

While the majority weren't by choice, there were plenty of options as to where the homeless could have gone and what they could have done.


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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 12:46 PM Reply

At 1/30/13 11:56 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: - Approved the support of Afghans against the Soviet invasion

Read: "Reagan laid the ground work for the Taliban to support Bin Laden and facilitate the 9/11 Attacks."

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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 01:20 PM Reply

At 1/30/13 09:30 AM, tyler2513 wrote: Ronald Reagan. A very true heroic Republican in my opinion, and while there's a lot of mixed opinions on him because of all the scandals his administration went through. But when Air Controllers went on strike which is against federal law, he said "that's nice now fuck you" and fired them all, replacing them with military pilots until new ones could come in

That's nice, but considering he sold weapons to terrorists and expanded social engineering programs like Social Security, I'd say he can bite my ass.

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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 03:27 PM Reply

I'd have to say Teddy Roosevelt.

He loved nature. He fought the large companies to ensure the free market was actually free. He knew how to shut the hell up, yet still be strong when it came to foreign policy.

Finally, based on what I have read about him (a great deal) he was very much a genuine President, not a cog in the wheel President. He acted on what he thought was best, not based on what was the best strategy for his party.

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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 05:45 PM Reply

Reagan really had no effect on the collapse on the USSR at all, and a lot of the later comments by Soviet politicians about how important Reagan was and blah blah are mostly attempts to ingratiate themselves with the US. From about the time of Brezhnev's rule on, the Soviet economic system needed a significant change of course, and if it didn't get that, it would collapse over time. This happened to occur under Reagan's watch (or rather under George Bush's), but if Mondale had won this wouldn't have made any difference at all. The USSR fell for internal reasons, not external ones.

The one thing I will give Reagan credit for is modernizing and re-professionalizing the US military into being a definite threat to the Warsaw Pact. Everything else in his foreign policy was brinkmanship, fifties-style simplistic anti-Communism and support of crony dictators while giving lip service to American ideals. I've always been of the opinion that he was the recipient of the luckiest timing of any American president in history, and I doubt I'll change my mind.

To answer the question, I would have to say FDR because he's one of the few presidents that understood Keynesian economics, and I'm a big fan of Coolidge's wit.

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Response to Favorite president and why? Jan. 30th, 2013 @ 05:49 PM Reply

At 1/30/13 12:33 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:
At 1/30/13 12:14 PM, Fim wrote: You even watch that link I sent you?
it wouldn't let me skip unless im on Youtube and im on my phone and it would take forever to load and stream something that big.

Watch all of it then we'll talk. I guarentee you won't have the same opinion if you look at all the facts.

It's almost unbelievable how the myth of his presidency has been promoted, he did some pretty terrible things. And often the qualities that are attributed to him are completely false.

- He took too long to respond to AIDS.
OOOH AIDS who the fuck cares?

oh you meany ;'(

- He tripled the deficit. We are still living with the repercussions of that today.
Bush's last day the deficit was 9 Trillion and now its 16 Trillion

There is actually a very strong case for 'Reaganomics' being responsible for the extent of the problem with the US deficit today. I still think his biggest crime was saying that ketchup was a vegetable.

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At 1/30/13 05:49 PM, Fim wrote: There is actually a very strong case for 'Reaganomics' being responsible for the extent of the problem with the US deficit today. I still think his biggest crime was saying that ketchup was a vegetable.

Isn't it funny that, for YEARS, those on the left bashed trickle down economics, but under Obama it's the greatest thing since sliced bread?

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I don't get George Washington, he did little at all. He crushed a rebellion I guess but he also signed the Jay Treaty, an action that proved to be his most unpopular as it actually brought him criticism from a then unknown Representative from Tennessee Andrew Jackson (most other people attacked John Jay the negotiator and avoided Washington as he was too popular).

Anyway, I usually pick someone like Johnson or Truman or Wilson to spite people who downplay their achievements and overplay their failures. Anyways if I want a President who did what the Constitution was intended to do AND still manage to do anything good I'd pick Clinton, the reason i don't pick someone like FDR or Lincoln is because they pretty much had control of the government and thus they're doing what the Constitution was intended to do i.e. limit how much power one group could have (and in the case of Lincoln Jesus Christ did he go far). His foreign policy was more or less superb, stand up against genocide, respecting a nations sovereignty etc. etc. his domestic policy was all compromise, which is exactly what the Constitution intends to do (and is more or less how the Constitution was written anyway).

At 1/30/13 02:21 AM, LemonCrush wrote: George Washington had it right.

He was the only one that actually fully followed the Constitution. His vision for America, that is, equal liberties, non-interventionism, government leaving the people the fuck alone, is what should be today...

George Washington did not believe in most of that. In fact his financial policy started up a rebellion because his taxes were too high. He also created the first National Bank. In fact while he detested political parties he was leaning to the Federalists, who were pretty much for an aristocratic republic.

2nd would be Ike. The last good president we had. For one, he was actually smart. Secondly, he wasn't a self aggrandizing piece of shit liar. He had flaws too (Social security expansion), but his pros (non-interventionism, immigration policy, low national debt, and near-zero inflation, and of course, the interstate system) far outweigh his negatives or short comings.

Non-interventionism? HAHAHA! That was done by the time he took office all the isolationists were gone by that point and it ceased to be a relevant political issue. If anything he was even more interventionist, in fact he re-installed the Shah of Iran, that action led to the current Islamic Republic of Iran (if he hadn't had done that Iran would probably be a pretty stable Parliamentary Democracy right now and a good friend of the US). He bombed Guatemala and overthrew the government there because "it might be Communist" and replaced it with a bloodthristy dictatorship (this was the case with Iran, it really does not make the US government at the time look very bright). He also allowed South Vietnam not to participate in a unified election and began American intervention there. His one bright spot was when he literally could not make any connection with World Communism and the Egyptian takeover of the Suez Canal (whereas he could in the case with Iran and Guatemala) and stood up for Egypt. Truman by comparison had quite the better foreign policy in terms of how it would've been had Eisenhower not destabilized so many countries in an effort to stop Communism real or imaginary, he supported anti-colonial movements, supported Iran in its case against Britain, came to South Korea's aid when it needed it and when Korea was about to be fully Communist (although that didn't really end up very well).

For inflation, nope actually a big talking point for the Democrats in the period was the pretty high inflation, you can see it as the message of their campaign ads. And again that's not a fair talking point because inflation always occurs when you have a booming economy.

As for immigration policy what did he do? He kept the National Origins act, that racist piece of legislation passed during the peak of racism in the US (at least against other white people) which imposed quotas on nations based on their race, if they were Northern European they were allowed in at bigger numbers, Southern and Eastern European were limited and everyone else was pretty much banned aside from a few Mexicans in the South West. The Chinese Exclusion act was repealed by either FDR or Truman I can't recall which. But the guy who you're looking for who's responsible for the modern immigration system that wasn't racist as hell is Lyndon Baines Johnson, he repealed the National Origins act and let in the flood gates for Latin America and Asia. But god forbid he get credit for anything because uh VIETNAM! and uhh vietnam?

At 1/29/13 11:58 PM, Iron-Hampster wrote: Jefferson. Dealt with international conflicts peacefully, cut taxes, cut military spending, and reduced government power while letting go of unneeded staff. biggest things he used government for would have been Louis and Clark expedition and buying land from France... oh and that affair with one of his slaves thing... lol.

His foreign policy was shit. It solved absolutely nothing and made everything worse. Because of his embargo on both Britain and France the North East went into a depression and it had little effect on Britain and France from stopping what they were doing before (i.e. impressment). His cutting of military spending also left the nation vulnerable, in fact it had risen under Adams because they needed it to combat the French who were fighting America. His disastrous actions pretty much led to the War of 1812. His only good spot on Foreign policy was the war in Libya where he essentially sent a couple of Marines with a shitton of guns, got an army of mercenaries and burned Tripoli (this was the 2nd time they've gone to war, we're on the 3rd time).

At 1/30/13 11:42 AM, Fim wrote: In order for you to have that opinion you need to gloss over a lot of what he did, check out his documentary which includes interviews with his son, and plenty of high profile people in his administration.

I know it's long and you are lazy, so just check out the part at 1h:04:40. The 7-10 minutes there is all you really need to know.

Well his son Ron Reagan is actually pretty Liberal and hates his dad's policies, but he himself is still better than the Republicans we have today because he didn't let that get in the way of getting along. The guy stood up for gay rights when they were almost barred from teaching in California, the guy went on camera and said that the right to strike is a fundamental human right. If any Republican were to do that today on the national level they wouldn't get past the primaries even if they were an incumbent.


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Response to Favorite president and why? Feb. 1st, 2013 @ 09:46 AM Reply

At 1/30/13 05:45 PM, Feoric wrote:

:I'm a big fan of Coolidge's wit.

Hopefully that's all you praise him for lol.

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Response to Favorite president and why? Feb. 1st, 2013 @ 12:24 PM Reply

To actually reply to the OP Lincoln
Since WWII Reagan, just like the most recent poll..

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James K Polk

He was elected on one main principle - if Mexico tried to retake Texas, the USA would go to War. Mexico tried to retake Texas, Polk went to war with Mexico, thus making him the only president to keep all of his election promises.

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At 2/8/13 06:55 AM, Dogbert581 wrote: James K Polk

He was elected on one main principle - if Mexico tried to retake Texas, the USA would go to War. Mexico tried to retake Texas, Polk went to war with Mexico, thus making him the only president to keep all of his election promises.

Not true, there were plenty of Presidents who were elected on the platform of doing nothing (Coolidge, William Henry Harrison etc. ) and they did nothing.


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abraham lincoln - a legend or arnold schwarzenegger - the funny one