At 1/27/13 07:08 PM, Escalus wrote:
For one, you come in expecting people to work for nothing, not only that but you first say:
" if you consider yourself a decent BG artist, go on and ask whatever you feel like asking. I'll answer the best way I manage ^^"
Wrong from the start. I worked half my whole career as an illustration in exchange for promotion and opportunities to learn about my now chosen trade. Even more, I never said I wouldn't consider payment. I said that, if payment is required, it must be accessible, and the work must be worth it (40 U$D each BG becomes unaffordable for independant, non profit focused projects).
Nobody is forcing anyone to work under non desired conditions, so stop whining. If anyone doesn't like it, they can walk away without any problems. I don't hold hostages kid -.-
Okay great, someone who's "Decent" might come along and want to work for you, but what's this??
"But truth be told, unless some really friggin awesome BG artist that BLOWS MY MIND appears (which is really rare), I'm not in any position to offer a payment"
That throws out any credibility that you have as a person willing to work for, and it turns off any chances of you getting any "decent" background artist to work with you, because if a pro BG artist looked at this proposal, they will most likely laugh their asses off.
Wrong again. First of all, I'm not requiring professionals. I'm requiring people with enough skills. As I said, I'm working on a project without profit in mind. I'm sorry you only seem to care about money, but that's your choice. I really couldn't care less though. Each proposal is evaluated in terms of compatibility and quality. Again, you must be pretty easygoing with money, but I'm sorry, normal indie developers and artists have to keep their options realistic. I can't put money where I don't consider it's worth it.
But that's not the nail in the coffin here:
"paying high prices for BG is not really worth it since I can work my way out and create the BGs on my own with mixed techniques of Photoshop and SketchUp models."
If you could do it yourself, then there was no point in wasting other people's time And potential takers's time for your smut visual novel)
Wasting time? Well, you clearly are pretty free as to nitpick and complain over a request you're supposedly not interested in... besides, you know nothing of the project, so your attempts at qualificating it are just failed troll attempts. Better luck next time.
I've worked with people like you who waste the time of others only to brush them off later on because their work wasn't GOOD ENOUGH by your high standards. It's a fuckin' pain putting time and effort in something, only to hear someone say "You know what, I have the necessary skills to do it myself and you aren't needed anymore, you can forget about payment, thanks for wasting your time though"
No serious artist in his right mind would work IN ADVANCE kid. Who ever said anything like that!? Stop putting words I didn't say on my mouth... Goes to show your inexperience. I never mentioned that those interested would have to do the artworks, give them to me, and THEN IF I DECIDE THAT I LIKE THEM I AGREE OR NOT... that's just stupid, and anyone who considers that a viable way of doing a collaborative work is a newbie...
Let me explain how I've handled the proposals that came to me so far:
The artist contacts me via PM, I ask them were can I see samples of their work as to KNOW IF THEY'RE WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, and then, if their previous works convince me that it would complement the project on a positive way, ONLY THEN I ASK THEM FOR THEIR CONDITIONS AND REQUESTS (crediting, use limitations, payment, etc.). Once they answer me, I consider the pros and cons, and then answer back telling them if I'm ok with the conditions or if they exceed my posibilities.
So, to make things clear, I NEVER WASTE ANYONE'S EFFORT IF I'M UNSURE IF I'll BE ABLE TO MAKE GOOD USE OF THEIR SKILLS. I work as an independant illustrator since 2006 more or less, so I'm totally aware of the effort it takes to create each piece. I would never consider making someone work without being able to guarantee their efforts won't go to waste, nor would I drop them midway through... that's your just self deluded paranoia... I'm sorry you had to work with such douches, but don't put me on the same box because you know jack squat about me...
All this ramble about wasting other artists effort and such sounds like resentful whining. If you have choosen your previous work partners with a poor judgement, then that's your problem. Solve it on your own, but don't drag people you don't even know into your personal bad experiences.
your proposal is bullshit, and no self respecting background artist should have to put up with people like you/
Think whatever you want, I couldn't care less. People have mind of their own. Rest assured that if someone isn't interested in the proposal, they won't bother themselves with it and move on. Just pointing out that they don't need your enlightening guidance, so stop underestimating other artists and focus on gaining more experience yourself as one.
And please, if you're not interested in the proposal (not that I'd be interested in what you'd have to offer after such an ammount of disrespectful comments), move on with your life. I created this thread with productive outcomes in mind, not useless attempts at trolling.