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That "extra kick" Jan. 24th, 2013 @ 08:09 PM Reply

Alrighty, so essentially what I'm looking for is how to add that "extra" kick into a beat as an accent (see examples). I've been able to do it a few times by layering the kick sample, but results aren't consistent (more often it doesn't work than is successful). So I'm asking if anyone knows how to make it sound good, meaning audible but not as pronounced as the actual 4/4 kick pattern.
Example 1: "Fire Power" by Wolfgang Gartner (heard at 0:08-0:09)

Example 2: "Nazis" by Mr Oizo (heard at 0:19-0:20)


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Response to That "extra kick" Jan. 24th, 2013 @ 08:35 PM Reply

not a fan of the 4/4 kick pattern... way too easy, traditional, and not original. i know i didn't help with your question - i was just stating my opinion.


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Response to That "extra kick" Jan. 24th, 2013 @ 08:41 PM Reply

At 1/24/13 08:35 PM, DoxOfficial wrote: not a fan of the 4/4 kick pattern... way too easy, traditional, and not original. i know i didn't help with your question - i was just stating my opinion.

Thank you for your wonderful opinion.


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Response to That "extra kick" Jan. 24th, 2013 @ 08:50 PM Reply

At 1/24/13 08:41 PM, ReconCraftTheta wrote:
Thank you for your wonderful opinion.

:D always a pleasure lol


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Response to That "extra kick" Jan. 24th, 2013 @ 09:01 PM Reply

Find a suitable kick sample, lower the volume and pan slightly in one direction. If the tail of the main kick is clashing with the extra kick, high-pass the lows on the extra kick to taste.

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Response to That "extra kick" Jan. 24th, 2013 @ 09:34 PM Reply

You're going for that typical "over the top" dance kick I see.

Next, for the sound itself, you need something to get you started so try an electronic percussion VST (there are lots) and choose a drum kick that has the TONE you're looking for (not the impact, you can create that, but tone is more important at this stage). Once you have a sample you just have to mix it.
Well, sub woofers hit between 60 and 100 hz usually so boost around there for a start. Don't add reverb to kick drums EVER in this kind of music. Try using compression to make the kick ring out for longer but DO NOT kill the transients (make sure the compressor leaves at least 40-60ms attack for example).

The rest is experimentation.
I've never made this kind of sound myself since I don't need to, but the theory is all there.


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Response to That "extra kick" Jan. 24th, 2013 @ 09:54 PM Reply

At 1/24/13 08:09 PM, ReconCraftTheta wrote: Alrighty, so essentially what I'm looking for is how to add that "extra" kick into a beat as an accent (see examples). I've been able to do it a few times by layering the kick sample, but results aren't consistent (more often it doesn't work than is successful). So I'm asking if anyone knows how to make it sound good, meaning audible but not as pronounced as the actual 4/4 kick pattern.
Example 1: "Fire Power" by Wolfgang Gartner (heard at 0:08-0:09)

Example 2: "Nazis" by Mr Oizo (heard at 0:19-0:20)

Well in FL Maximus and the regular FL Compressor work VERY well with this type of kick (if not pretty much any type of kick.) In Compressor you can pretty much select the "Drums" preset and be done with it, in Maximus don't use ANY of them (because honestly they're all terrible.) Just learn to use Maximus correctly, it's like the Multiband Compressor just 100x better and a lot more specific.

Also sometimes sidechaning certain instruments can make the mastering load a bit lighter; I've had no problems doing this time and time again, honestly.

Good luck.


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Response to That "extra kick" Jan. 24th, 2013 @ 10:27 PM Reply

Next, for the sound itself, you need something to get you started so try an electronic percussion VST (there are lots) and choose a drum kick that has the TONE you're looking for (not the impact, you can create that, but tone is more important at this stage). Once you have a sample you just have to mix it.
Well, sub woofers hit between 60 and 100 hz usually so boost around there for a start. Don't add reverb to kick drums EVER in this kind of music. Try using compression to make the kick ring out for longer but DO NOT kill the transients (make sure the compressor leaves at least 40-60ms attack for example).

Thanks, a bit over informing but thanks. I'm not new to this, I just haven't really figured out the as you say "over the top" kick.


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Response to That "extra kick" Jan. 24th, 2013 @ 10:49 PM Reply

At 1/24/13 08:35 PM, DoxOfficial wrote: not a fan of the 4/4 kick pattern... way too easy, traditional, and not original. i know i didn't help with your question - i was just stating my opinion.

Trance is actually hard as fuck


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Response to That "extra kick" Jan. 24th, 2013 @ 10:55 PM Reply

He's talking about a the small kick fills lol.

Not the actual kick itself.

Just copy the kick, make the copy a bit shorter than the original. Pitch up or down if you want.

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Response to That "extra kick" Jan. 24th, 2013 @ 11:13 PM Reply

At 1/24/13 10:49 PM, Sequenced wrote:
At 1/24/13 08:35 PM, DoxOfficial wrote: not a fan of the 4/4 kick pattern... way too easy, traditional, and not original. i know i didn't help with your question - i was just stating my opinion.
Trance is actually hard as fuck

This man speaks the truth.


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Response to That "extra kick" Jan. 24th, 2013 @ 11:39 PM Reply

At 1/24/13 10:49 PM, Sequenced wrote:
At 1/24/13 08:35 PM, DoxOfficial wrote: not a fan of the 4/4 kick pattern... way too easy, traditional, and not original. i know i didn't help with your question - i was just stating my opinion.
Trance is actually hard as fuck

for the sake of argumentation,

not really.

but music isnt defined by how "hard" it is to make.

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Response to That "extra kick" Jan. 24th, 2013 @ 11:58 PM Reply

At 1/24/13 10:55 PM, jpbear wrote: He's talking about a the small kick fills lol.

Not the actual kick itself.

Just copy the kick, make the copy a bit shorter than the original. Pitch up or down if you want.

Simplicity, thank you.


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Response to That "extra kick" Jan. 25th, 2013 @ 02:41 PM Reply

At 1/24/13 11:39 PM, jpbear wrote:
At 1/24/13 10:49 PM, Sequenced wrote:
At 1/24/13 08:35 PM, DoxOfficial wrote: not a fan of the 4/4 kick pattern... way too easy, traditional, and not original.
Trance is actually hard as fuck
for the sake of argumentation,

not really.

but music isnt defined by how "hard" it is to make.

thank you.


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