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At 1/24/13 02:55 PM, Urban-Champion wrote: I know, and i'm doing it intentionally to prove a point. While the issue is different as a whole, the manner people are wanting to address this issue is no different than telling someone they have the wrong sexual disposition, race, or religion. I think a better comparison on my behalf would be to use smokers as an example. People who go out of their way to tell them that it's unhealthy are fucking blind. Clearly these people know their addiction is bad for their health. It's no one's business but theirs what they choose to do to their body, regardless of how "self destructive" the behavior may be. Same goes for fat people.

When I meet a fat person that is happy with their body I'll let you know. Smoking is un-healthy but those people are choosing pleasure over health. What plusher do you get from being fat? Again, You're confusing a lazy lifestyle to being fat. If you want to sit on your ass all day and eat crap that's cool if that's really want you want to do. But it's up to maintain your body weight. Is not doing that the fat lifestyle? Ignoring heath concerns? You can do whatever do want but it's laziness and you're fucking yourself over in the long run with health and social issues.

As much as i'd like to take this as a fact i think it's too much of a generalization to call every fat person hyper sensitive. I agree it's not a choice but it's also not our business to concern ourselves with someone else's lifestyle.

Some people like being lazy. Nobody likes being fat, they accept it. Some take it a lot harder than others. Being fat is as much of a lifestyle choose as being hungry is to not eating. It's an unhealthy bi-product of treating your body without respect. Sure it's a generalisation. I'm willing to admit that only because I have not meet every fat person in the World and sat down to have a conversation with them but every fat person I has complained about being fat.

So does that mean we should go up to her, tell her she's a fat fucking waste of life and she needs to change herself? Sign me up!

Sign yourself up, fatty. Do you really think of yourself as a fat fucking waste of life? Because I don't see my Mum as that. I see her as a nice woman who has suffered relentless her entire life from being overweight and I feel bad for her. Don't tell me she's happy with being overweight you fucking idiot. I can tell you aren't. The thing is she's just like you. No matter how nicely I try to help her to lose weight and feel better about herself she takes it as an insult. Do you know how sad it is to hear your Mother talk about how being over weight has fucked over her life and her confidence then when you try to help her she calls you a evil little asshole? Fuck off hypocrite.

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At 1/24/13 03:10 PM, Travis wrote: I took so long because I was busy with real life you dumb twat. This is so ironic. Maybe it's you who needs to go outside?

Damn you are so fucking stupid.

Wait a minute.

At 1/24/13 02:04 PM, Travis wrote: You realize I'm a part time troll right?

'bye.

And thanks for plastering me all over your sig. I can see my handsome face every time you spew your filth on here.

At 1/24/13 02:04 PM, Travis wrote: You realize I'm a part time troll right?

'bye.

And thanks for plastering me all over your sig. I can see my handsome face every time you spew your filth on here.

I'm going to have to come back and read this at some point.

Being a lard-ass is not a mental or health condition, it's a lifestyle choice. Some people will accept it and some people won't. That's your problem. Grow up and deal with it. And don't blame it on society. You shoveled those twinkes down your mouth, and you can work them off with good eating and exercise. I just lost 10 pounds in a week and all I did was some exercises and only had a small amount of food a day (mostly fruit). It's not that fucking hard.

At 1/24/13 12:36 PM, orangebomb wrote: Next thing we're going to do, we'll be shunning beer drinkers and masterbaters.

Well, there's a bit of a difference here.

"Discrimination" is not an issue, as they're being excluded based on choices, not something out of their control, like gender or race.

Also, beer drinkers and masturbators do affect others

At 1/24/13 03:22 PM, BPremo wrote: Unless the person is your child or something why should you really care if someone is fat?

I posted this point once but it got lost in a sea of two 15 year olds having an argument in this thread.

A fatter population means healthcare costs will go up. Think about how many illnesses people have that could have probably been prevented with a health lifestyle. Type 2 diabetes, heart disease, etc. These are largely preventable conditions, yet probably billions are spent in the US alone treating them. It's a waste of time and money for society to have to deal with an overly obese population.

Without obesity doctors and researchers could spend more time finding cures for less-preventable diseases (cancer, HIV, etc.).

At 1/24/13 03:28 PM, FattyWhale wrote:

At 1/24/13 03:22 PM, BPremo wrote: Unless the person is your child or something why should you really care if someone is fat?

I posted this point once but it got lost in a sea of two 15 year olds having an argument in this thread.

What, like a discussion? Why do I even bother anymore? My posts never get read and nothing ever changes.

At 1/24/13 03:16 PM, TheColourAwesome2 wrote:

At 1/24/13 02:55 PM, Urban-Champion wrote: I know, and i'm doing it intentionally to prove a point. While the issue is different as a whole, the manner people are wanting to address this issue is no different than telling someone they have the wrong sexual disposition, race, or religion. I think a better comparison on my behalf would be to use smokers as an example. People who go out of their way to tell them that it's unhealthy are fucking blind. Clearly these people know their addiction is bad for their health. It's no one's business but theirs what they choose to do to their body, regardless of how "self destructive" the behavior may be. Same goes for fat people.

When I meet a fat person that is happy with their body I'll let you know. Smoking is un-healthy but those people are choosing pleasure over health. What plusher do you get from being fat?

Gluttony for one... But the others are a bit "taboo" so to speak ;D

Again, You're confusing a lazy lifestyle to being fat.

No i'm not

If you want to sit on your ass all day and eat crap that's cool if that's really want you want to do. But it's up to [you to] maintain your body weight.

FUCKING EXACTLY. It's up to the INDIVIDUAL and NO ONE ELSE. Glad you agree.

Is not doing that the fat lifestyle? Ignoring heath concerns? You can do whatever do want but it's laziness and you're fucking yourself over in the long run with health and social issues.

But how come it has to be our responsibility to pick up for their misdoings? Hint: It's not

As much as i'd like to take this as a fact i think it's too much of a generalization to call every fat person hyper sensitive. I agree it's not a choice but it's also not our business to concern ourselves with someone else's lifestyle.

Some people like being lazy. Nobody likes being fat, they accept it. Some take it a lot harder than others. Being fat is as much of a lifestyle choose as being hungry is to not eating. It's an unhealthy bi-product of treating your body without respect. Sure it's a generalisation. I'm willing to admit that only because I have not meet every fat person in the World and sat down to have a conversation with them but every fat person I has complained about being fat.

So you're admitting that all evidence you've used in your argument is mostly anecdotal. Go figure.

So does that mean we should go up to her, tell her she's a fat fucking waste of life and she needs to change herself? Sign me up!

Sign yourself up, fatty. Do you really think of yourself as a fat fucking waste of life? Because I don't see my Mum as that. I see her as a nice woman who has suffered relentless her entire life from being overweight and I feel bad for her. Don't tell me she's happy with being overweight you fucking idiot.

Find the part in any of my posts where i said "people are happy with being overweight". I don't want to debate with people who twist words.

I can tell you aren't.

uh-huh that's nice rescue ranger

The thing is she's just like you. No matter how nicely I try to help her to lose weight and feel better about herself she takes it as an insult. Do you know how sad it is to hear your Mother talk about how being over weight has fucked over her life and her confidence then when you try to help her she calls you a evil little asshole? Fuck off hypocrite.

Maybe you haven't found the correct way to truly address this issue you have with your mother. But I'm no psychologist and i never claimed to be. And again, generalizations, anecdotal...

i already shame them with my cold hard steve austin looks

At 1/24/13 03:56 PM, Gagsy wrote: You're not helping anyone.

Actually you help everyone if you read my post above.

At 1/24/13 12:48 PM, jjjkuk wrote:
Truth hurts. These twats that managed to become obese have a mental problem and need force to help themselves.

Being overweight is a physical condition, not a mental one. There are some psychological conditions that may contribute to becoming obese however.

If your argument is that they need force to help themselves. Now they wouldn't really be losing weight on their own initiative now would they?

When I teach people how to play golf and swing a club properly, I don't yell or ridicule them if they make a mistake, I don't get frustrated with them, nor do I tell them that their swing is just atrocious. I encourage them, praise their progress and uniqueness, and stay patient and keep a cool head. In my opinion as well as most others, that method of teaching is much more effective than the first, or what psychology labels as "negative reinforcement."

At 1/24/13 04:05 PM, BPremo wrote: But there is a gray area between an obese person who is by choice, is only slightly overweight, someone who is overweight but no history of illness, using body mass index as the official judge of being fat, or an obese person who is obese due to genetic vulnerability or other medical reasons and how to very cleanly and exactly define it and label it without people crying discrimination.

Genetic problems will be discovered and addressed as time goes on. Current research shows that only about 6% of morbidly obese children and adults have a gene that causes them to poorly regulate their food intake.

Should healthcare or insurance deny me treatment because I was born with a heart condition and it would cost them too much to treat me?

I haven't done much research on the subject, so I'm not the best source here. It is my understanding though, that most patients who are refused medical care for whatever condition they have are refused because of risk involved with treating them, not direct cost. Doctors/Hospitals are concerned that if a high-risk surgery or treatment results in death, they could be held liable. Insurance is another issue, of which I have little knowledge.

At 1/24/13 04:02 PM, Gagsy wrote: About healthcare cost?

Oh my bad. Its ok to bully fat people because they MIGHT end up needing treatment that is related to their obesity.

Before I go and find sources to prove you wrong... is your point that the trend between increasing obesity rates and the increase in preventable diseases is negligible?

At 1/24/13 04:14 PM, Gagsy wrote: If we're going to bully and stop medical treatment for those that are fat then surely we need to do the same for alcoholics. AA meetings which try to help that person? No no. They're a dirty drunk and we should tell them that right, not try to support them.

Surely obese people will need support in losing weight. The problem is that obese people today (most) aren't convinced to lose weight due to their dramatically shortened lifespan, so societal changes need to happen. Sadly, obesity is just accepted, and people make up excuses for why they don't lose weight. Being an alcoholic is frowned upon, but that doesn't mean you can't get support for this problem.

And fuck if they need a new liver or get one of the very damaging long term effects caused by consuming too much alcohol over a long period. They brought it onto themselves by not choosing to live a healthier life right.

In terms of organ transplants, absolutely. Donor organs are in extreme shortage, and someone who has a genetic reason to need a new liver should absolutely get it before an alcoholic with sclerosis.

At 1/24/13 04:31 PM, Otto wrote:
Actually being overweight is a physical result of a mental condition i.e. the addiction and constant desire for the short-term relief and happiness that eating brings you. Eating releases endorphins, which is the main part that anyone goes back to anything. Same reasons anyone gets addicted to anything - the ups and the downs and the way the brain is shaped around them after exposure to that pattern.

I mean condition with a lower-case c here.

By that argument you should also be able to say that all people who are not addicted to eating food are not overweight. Obviously that is not the case at all. Environment (food), genetics, psychological conditions all contribute to obesity, to tackle all of those issues with just a social change driven by negative reinforcement is not the answer nor a sole solution.

That's why obesity is an issue, which at first glance may be quite similar, but indeed very different than smoking.

Have you ever seen A Clockwork Orange?

Nope.

Everyone has their vices; fat people can live how they please.

At 1/24/13 04:45 PM, Gagsy wrote:
It had been proven time and time again that the most effective way of helping people to lose weight long term is through support.

You're exactly right. As much as I dislike the subject, the field of psychology has already done research and explained the concepts of the effectiveness of positive reinforcement.

At 1/24/13 04:45 PM, Gagsy wrote: It had been proven time and time again that the most effective way of helping people to lose weight long term is through support.

Either by them losing weight/getting fitting with a friend, attending weight loss meetings, logging with one of the numerous weight tracking sites, visiting a dietitian. Whatever It has proven to work better than someone going it alone.

I don't think we're on the same page here. The physical act of losing weight is certainly easier in a social environment. That has been proven, yes. The impetus to lose weight is just not there currently.