At 1/24/13 04:05 PM, BPremo wrote:
But there is a gray area between an obese person who is by choice, is only slightly overweight, someone who is overweight but no history of illness, using body mass index as the official judge of being fat, or an obese person who is obese due to genetic vulnerability or other medical reasons and how to very cleanly and exactly define it and label it without people crying discrimination.
Genetic problems will be discovered and addressed as time goes on. Current research shows that only about 6% of morbidly obese children and adults have a gene that causes them to poorly regulate their food intake.
Should healthcare or insurance deny me treatment because I was born with a heart condition and it would cost them too much to treat me?
I haven't done much research on the subject, so I'm not the best source here. It is my understanding though, that most patients who are refused medical care for whatever condition they have are refused because of risk involved with treating them, not direct cost. Doctors/Hospitals are concerned that if a high-risk surgery or treatment results in death, they could be held liable. Insurance is another issue, of which I have little knowledge.
At 1/24/13 04:02 PM, Gagsy wrote:
About healthcare cost?
Oh my bad. Its ok to bully fat people because they MIGHT end up needing treatment that is related to their obesity.
Before I go and find sources to prove you wrong... is your point that the trend between increasing obesity rates and the increase in preventable diseases is negligible?
At 1/24/13 04:14 PM, Gagsy wrote:
If we're going to bully and stop medical treatment for those that are fat then surely we need to do the same for alcoholics. AA meetings which try to help that person? No no. They're a dirty drunk and we should tell them that right, not try to support them.
Surely obese people will need support in losing weight. The problem is that obese people today (most) aren't convinced to lose weight due to their dramatically shortened lifespan, so societal changes need to happen. Sadly, obesity is just accepted, and people make up excuses for why they don't lose weight. Being an alcoholic is frowned upon, but that doesn't mean you can't get support for this problem.
And fuck if they need a new liver or get one of the very damaging long term effects caused by consuming too much alcohol over a long period. They brought it onto themselves by not choosing to live a healthier life right.
In terms of organ transplants, absolutely. Donor organs are in extreme shortage, and someone who has a genetic reason to need a new liver should absolutely get it before an alcoholic with sclerosis.