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Response to Make fat people feel ashamed 2013-01-24 16:41:06 Reply

At 1/24/13 04:31 PM, Otto wrote:
Actually being overweight is a physical result of a mental condition i.e. the addiction and constant desire for the short-term relief and happiness that eating brings you. Eating releases endorphins, which is the main part that anyone goes back to anything. Same reasons anyone gets addicted to anything - the ups and the downs and the way the brain is shaped around them after exposure to that pattern.

I mean condition with a lower-case c here.

By that argument you should also be able to say that all people who are not addicted to eating food are not overweight. Obviously that is not the case at all. Environment (food), genetics, psychological conditions all contribute to obesity, to tackle all of those issues with just a social change driven by negative reinforcement is not the answer nor a sole solution.

That's why obesity is an issue, which at first glance may be quite similar, but indeed very different than smoking.


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Response to Make fat people feel ashamed 2013-01-24 16:45:26 Reply

Let me break it down for you then I'm done with this dance.

It had been proven time and time again that the most effective way of helping people to lose weight long term is through support.

Either by them losing weight/getting fitting with a friend, attending weight loss meetings, logging with one of the numerous weight tracking sites, visiting a dietitian. Whatever It has proven to work better than someone going it alone.

All you do by bullying fat people and belittling their very existence and worth is make them feel more isolated, alone and ultimately helpless to change themselves.

So if you REALLY want to help fat people because you're worried about the healthcare industry then actually help them by offering support to them. Be their workout buddy, their motivation helper. I promise you it works so much more than bullying ever ever could.

And if you just want to bully fat people then congratulations you're a dick.


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Response to Make fat people feel ashamed 2013-01-24 16:48:28 Reply

if you can't be fat and OWN it, then you should kill yourself or lose weight

i am all for this


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Response to Make fat people feel ashamed 2013-01-24 16:48:47 Reply

Everyone has their vices; fat people can live how they please.

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Response to Make fat people feel ashamed 2013-01-24 16:49:06 Reply

At 1/24/13 04:45 PM, Gagsy wrote:
It had been proven time and time again that the most effective way of helping people to lose weight long term is through support.

You're exactly right. As much as I dislike the subject, the field of psychology has already done research and explained the concepts of the effectiveness of positive reinforcement.

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Response to Make fat people feel ashamed 2013-01-24 16:52:49 Reply

At 1/24/13 04:45 PM, Gagsy wrote: It had been proven time and time again that the most effective way of helping people to lose weight long term is through support.

Either by them losing weight/getting fitting with a friend, attending weight loss meetings, logging with one of the numerous weight tracking sites, visiting a dietitian. Whatever It has proven to work better than someone going it alone.

I don't think we're on the same page here. The physical act of losing weight is certainly easier in a social environment. That has been proven, yes. The impetus to lose weight is just not there currently.


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Response to Make fat people feel ashamed 2013-01-24 16:55:40 Reply

At 1/24/13 04:52 PM, FattyWhale wrote:
I don't think we're on the same page here. The physical act of losing weight is certainly easier in a social environment. That has been proven, yes. The impetus to lose weight is just not there currently.

Its always there really. By bullying I promise you just bury it further.

Show someone support and they will show you a desire to better themselves.


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Response to Make fat people feel ashamed 2013-01-24 16:57:12 Reply

At 1/24/13 04:55 PM, Gagsy wrote:
At 1/24/13 04:52 PM, FattyWhale wrote:
I don't think we're on the same page here. The physical act of losing weight is certainly easier in a social environment. That has been proven, yes. The impetus to lose weight is just not there currently.
Its always there really. By bullying I promise you just bury it further.

Show someone support and they will show you a desire to better themselves.

that's just a sob story and an excuse

weight loss has nothing to do with emotions

get your lazy ass out of the house or eat less, pick one


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Response to Make fat people feel ashamed 2013-01-24 16:59:24 Reply

At 1/24/13 04:41 PM, Saen wrote:
At 1/24/13 04:31 PM, Otto wrote:
Actually being overweight is a physical result of a mental condition i.e. the addiction and constant desire for the short-term relief and happiness that eating brings you. Eating releases endorphins, which is the main part that anyone goes back to anything. Same reasons anyone gets addicted to anything - the ups and the downs and the way the brain is shaped around them after exposure to that pattern.

I mean condition with a lower-case c here.
By that argument you should also be able to say that all people who are not addicted to eating food are not overweight. Obviously that is not the case at all. Environment (food), genetics, psychological conditions all contribute to obesity, to tackle all of those issues with just a social change driven by negative reinforcement is not the answer nor a sole solution.

No, you've gotten it backwards. Causality doesn't work both ways. Just because something is a result of something, does not make it the only way to get that result.

You are not fit to make a case.


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Response to Make fat people feel ashamed 2013-01-24 17:04:12 Reply

I think we as a nation just need to be healthier. Just because someone's skinny doesn't mean they're healthy.


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Response to Make fat people feel ashamed 2013-01-24 17:08:51 Reply

At 1/24/13 04:57 PM, Sekhem wrote:
that's just a sob story and an excuse

weight loss has nothing to do with emotions

get your lazy ass out of the house or eat less, pick one

I know from personal experience that weight problems can have a lot to do with emotions. Call it an excuse if you want but I've lived it. If your mindset isn't there then its not as simple as getting out and exercising or eating loss. Yes that is what you need to do but its so hard to when you don't want to go out and be seen and when food is one of the only comforts you have.

I've experienced that, I know how it feels and I know that bullying people into doing those things without actually supporting them will not work long term.


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Response to Make fat people feel ashamed 2013-01-24 17:09:13 Reply

At 1/24/13 04:59 PM, Otto wrote:
No, you've gotten it backwards. Causality doesn't work both ways. Just because something is a result of something, does not make it the only way to get that result.

You are not fit to make a case.

Now a perfectly reasonable discussion dives into an argument over diction and scenarios, no counter to the main ideas I've presented.

Positive reinforcement is more effective in driving most people to a certain goal than negative reinforcement.

Obesity is not solely nor predominately a psychological or social issue, it is predominately a environmental and physical health issue. This is why we see countries such as the U.S. with the highest obesity proportions and amounts. The U.S. population is not known to be overweight because of a predominate food addiction, but because of the types and portions of meals. I.E. environment > psychological conditions in terms of contribution to obesity.

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Response to Make fat people feel ashamed 2013-01-24 17:18:09 Reply

I'm not fat, but in any event, obesity is already highly stigmatized. To take that stigma to a higher level isn't really going to help solve our country's obesity problems.

Fat people will continue to exist no matter what. It's true that many people out there are fat because of their unhealthy eating and drinking habits as well as their slow metabolisms. Also, let's not forget that there are also a significant number of people that have a lot of extra weight as a result of their medication's side effects. I certainly don't think they should have to walk around being made fun of.

Just leaving them alone is truly the best way to go. There are natural consequences to drinking and eating all the wrong things (as well as doing the wrong drugs, as I'm sure druggies can attest to) and being obese for far too long. Anyone that wants to avoid those natural consequences can do so with just the right amount of knowledge, support and working hard at it. Then there are those people that just don't give a fuck, and that's fine too--we shouldn't give a fuck either.


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Response to Make fat people feel ashamed 2013-01-24 19:51:54 Reply

jjjkuk please stop posting.


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Response to Make fat people feel ashamed 2013-01-24 19:56:48 Reply

This guy is still calling fat people "people" but he's forgetting that they are people.

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Response to Make fat people feel ashamed 2013-01-24 20:26:46 Reply

It's 20 times harder to lose weight than to quit smoking.
Fat people know they're fat. They're not stupid. They feel bad in their bodies all day long and I doubt they need any extra shaming by other people who may have no idea what it's like to have bad genetics, habits etc.

A bunch of you shits are tiny little twiggy teenagers who know just as little about nutrition and health as a typical fatass. You think you have any right to shame others who basically pay the exact same attention as you do to their health, except they have worse genetics or different habits?

The only people who need shaming are those idiot pro-fat acceptance women ( they're all women and sexually deviant men). They lumber around with 150 pounds of extra bacon grease sloshing around their arteries talking about how it's just as possibly to be healthy when you're a crisco blob as when you're a triathlete. NO. Shut your mouths. The increased risk of cancer ALONE moots any dumbass "fit fat' argument they have.

If you're overweight, it's really bad and really a shame and I empathize with you and having been there, I know you already feel enough shame for two people, you don't need any extra bullshit. You need fat camps.


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Response to Make fat people feel ashamed 2013-01-24 20:27:37 Reply

If it was up to me, I'd have fat people shot in front of their families.


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Response to Make fat people feel ashamed 2013-01-24 20:42:35 Reply

Fat people are either genetically inferior, lazy, or just eat everything in sight.

Whether or not being fat is their fault, they should be targeted and killed swiftly.