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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 03:25 PM Reply

My 2nd part of the post as I can't put it all in one post, I apologizes for making such a long post.

At January 14, 2013, TXBlue08 wrote:

:God Does Not Teach Children to Be Good. A child should make moral choices for the right reasons. Telling him that he must behave because God is watching means that his morality will be externally focused rather than internally structured. ItâEUTMs like telling a child to behave or Santa wonâEUTMt bring presents. When we take God out of the picture, we place responsibility of doing the right thing onto the shoulders of our children. No, they wonâEUTMt go to heaven or rule their own planets when they die, but they can sleep better at night. They will make their family proud. They will feel better about who they are. They will be decent people.

And ironically as this sounds, it doesn't teach people to be bad either, in fact it's people who teach kids to be good or bad, regardless if it's the parents and whatnot, never the less it's up to the individual to decide witch path in life to take, again I'll say personally hope they lead good lives as I have mentioned above.

At January 14, 2013, TXBlue08 wrote:

:God Teaches Narcissism. âEUoeGod has a plan for you.âEU Telling kids there is a big guy in the sky who has a special path for them makes children narcissistic; it makes them think the world is at their disposal and that, no matter what happens, it doesnâEUTMt really matter because God is in control. That gives kids a sense of false security and creates selfishness. âEUoeNo matter what I do, God loves me and forgives me. He knows my purpose. I am special.âEU The irony is that, while we tell this story to our kids, other children are abused and murdered, starved and neglected. All part of GodâEUTMs plan, right?

:When we raise kids without God, we tell them the truth-we are no more special than the next creature. We are just a very, very small part of a big, big machine-whether that machine is nature or society-the influence we have is minuscule. The realization of our insignificance gives us a true sense of humbleness.

:I understand why people need God. I understand why people need heaven. It is terrifying to think that we are all alone in this universe, that one day we-along with the children we love so much-will cease to exist. The idea of God and an afterlife gives many of us structure, community and hope.

:I do not want religion to go away. I only want religion to be kept at home or in church where it belongs. ItâEUTMs a personal effect, like a toothbrush or a pair of shoes. ItâEUTMs not something to be used or worn by strangers. I want my children to be free not to believe and to know that our schools and our government will make decisions based on what is logical, just and fair-not on what they believe an imaginary God wants.

In other words people need to come to realization why Religion is meant to be a Private Club of Devotion, to fully say it, it's meant to be a Private Club of Loyalty & Devotion to begin with.

The real trouble is the sheer fact that people keep expressing about Religion as nothing more and nothing less but a Public Influence, this in turn has in fact cause more harm then good and further more also has caused Disloyalty and even Betrayal in it's wake.

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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 03:51 PM Reply

Really I don't want to disrespect anyone on a personal level, I really don't but seriously cmon' there is obviously a difference between what can be proven with reason and logic and bunch of different books of stories claiming to be the word of the maker of the universe. I'm not saying that science has all the answers, I'm just saying it's done a lot more good and spread a lot more TRUTH then thousand year old politically involved religious factions. And i'm sick of people telling me I'm disrespecting them for saying nothing but the truth. That's all religion seems to do, is make people choose to be ignorant. The holy books all have obviously made-up facts in them such as the world being 6,000 years old. It's just blatantly apparent that no other-worldly knowledge was used to forge the bible, or any other holybook for that matter. Whether they contain words of wisdom or important morals lets face it, their all ridiculously human.

I don't know I just feel like the concept of religion are leading to the teachings that we're not animals. I mean yes I know why people think our conscious mind is cool and maybe otherworldly-feeling, but honestly humans aren't the only animals who can thinl. We're just the best at it.

Is it so wrong to suggest its time to...move on?
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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 06:23 PM Reply

At 1/19/13 03:13 PM, Jmayer20 wrote: Did you even read my opening post? Because if you did then you should know that this is not about my children. In fact I don't even have children...

I was more replying to to everyone ITT who mentioned how they will raise their children.


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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 06:26 PM Reply

At 1/17/13 07:56 PM, HikarutheHedgehog wrote: Gotta love all the assholes in this thread who think that their opinion of whether God exists or not is fact instead of an opinion like it really is.

This.
You should not state anything as fact, because their will be arguments.
Also this lady just wants attention.


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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 06:26 PM Reply

At 1/19/13 12:03 AM, abbiegale wrote: Actually, it is a matter of religious consciousness; whether at some point in your life you seriously questioned all you have been taught and have believed about your religion (or lack of it), regardless of what conclusion you have come to. Being religious doesn't automatically mean that you swallow everything you're told undisputedly, and being an atheist isn't immediately equal to having a critical mind.

Thats pretty much what I typed, what was the point of replying to me saying the same thing?

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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 08:27 PM Reply

My mom, despite having a very strange and motley patchwork of beliefs (Spiritualist, Buddhist, Christian Science) and working as a singer in churches and temples of all sects, decided to send me to a Lutheran school until I was in 6th grade, when I transferred to a public education system.

Her logic was that many people brought up without religion are oftentimes susceptible to being the most dogmatic religious people if the idea of religion is introduced to them at a later age. So rather than planning for me to be Christian my whole life, I was sent to a private school in order to be desensitized to biblical teachings (although my mother never said anything cynical about Christianity until I was much older).

In some ways I see her logic. It's important for people to know about religion and different influences, so that they have some understanding of how communities, religious, social, or political, function before they're old enough to make their own choices. Helping children perceive the world around them, including the biased information thrown at us, is important to building good judgment.

Certainly there's nothing wrong with raising children to be atheists or agnostic. Certainly there should be no uprising against this woman for having decided not to pass down religion to her children.


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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 08:30 PM Reply

At 1/19/13 06:42 PM, abbiegale wrote:
At 1/19/13 06:26 PM, BumFodder wrote:
This gives me the impression that you think atheists tend to be smarter. I just don't agree with this.
I'm sorry if I misunderstood what you meant.

You're not very atheist are you.


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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 09:51 PM Reply

At 1/19/13 04:24 AM, zmatt007 wrote:
Nano technology is supposed to be futuristic, yet he easily figured out how to do it. To be honest I knew most of these things as a child to. Everytime he discovered something, as soon as he explained it no one could understand it not even the teacher. Though to me it seemed simple to.

I'm not implying that religious people are stupid, in my early years I was religious. I'm merely saying that religion would take time away from my children studying or doing other productive things.


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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 09:57 PM Reply

At 1/19/13 03:24 PM, Thecrazyman wrote: One thing I'll say about this, people choose paths and have the right to choose for good or for ill, my personal side to this is that I hope they grow for good but if any decide to lead any ill path should there be no way to persuade them away from it then so be it for if they refuse to learn the lesson the easy way they'll learn the lesson the hard way.

Are you saying that if you had a son and you caught him trying to rape a girl, you would just let him because it was his choice and he will burn in hell later? You wouldn't try to stop him? You would just wait until he was done and then punish him.

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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 21st, 2013 @ 01:51 PM Reply

Tbh, other than the Earth, I don't see why people would pray to something or some sort of out of the world creator. Even if there is some shit like that out there, the obvious, more important one is planet Earth and your parents / ancestors. They created us right? So why pray to some hebbee jeebie guy high up in no mans land :S

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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 21st, 2013 @ 02:05 PM Reply

As an atheist, I will raise my children to think for themselves and explore all the evidence for and against religion.

It's not my job to tell them what they should or should not believe in.

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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 21st, 2013 @ 02:11 PM Reply

At 1/19/13 06:26 PM, Nor wrote: This.
You should not state anything as fact, because their will be arguments.

That doesn't mean it's an opinion. You don't have an opinion on weather something is real or fake. You have a belief. Some beliefs are dumb. That's an opinion.

Also this lady just wants attention.

Funny seeing as how she never sought out the media, the media sought out her.


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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 08:20 AM Reply

I plan to educate my children and not brainwash them with mythology.


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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 09:56 AM Reply

At 1/22/13 08:33 AM, spiderman006 wrote:
At 1/22/13 08:20 AM, PrincessLuna wrote: I plan to educate my children and not brainwash them with mythology.
By brainwashing them with another form of 'mythology.'

What's this other form of mythology?


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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 10:00 AM Reply

At 1/22/13 08:33 AM, spiderman006 wrote:
At 1/22/13 08:20 AM, PrincessLuna wrote: I plan to educate my children and not brainwash them with mythology.
By brainwashing them with another form of 'mythology.'

Either way, the mind will be conditioned.

Let's say, this 'mythology' is full of proven facts. Therefore it's no long mythology.


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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 10:07 AM Reply

At 1/22/13 09:57 AM, spiderman006 wrote: Oh God, anyone but you.

Wow, good explanation.


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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 10:15 AM Reply

At 1/22/13 10:05 AM, spiderman006 wrote:

That's the mistake you atheists make, you're blindly believing a theory just like the Christians. There are no proven facts at all. There is nothing scientific about it.

I would like to do an experiment, since you are so blindly believing in your cartoony deity:

Let's me push you off 10 floors buildingâEUTMs roof to redefine gravity. If you will be alive, I take the blame. If you are gonna dead, science wins.

Shall we begin?


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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 10:35 AM Reply

At 1/22/13 10:20 AM, spiderman006 wrote:
Really, you guys should just quit while you're ahead. Your google pasta just don't cut it anymore. Take the time to study what you are actually trying to debate, before doing it instead of just googling a tutorial on how to win an athiest debate.

They both require faith.

Your Engrish is even worse than mine, God-fag-lover. That's complete came from my mind. Did you even try to google to verify it? No you didn't. See, try to debate facts to defend flaws is always a failure.

I don't need to study how a 10 floor's rooftop jump look like because anyone has common sense will know how shit is gonna turn out. Faith won't protect you in this case.

Again, shall you demonstrate your faith?


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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 10:44 AM Reply

Ohboy another one of these crazies

@ the Crazy lady
As long as you dont do the research and study it yourself you will never really understand, now if you chose not to believe thats your own right, but do the research first beforegoing half cocked.


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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 10:50 AM Reply

At 1/22/13 10:05 AM, spiderman006 wrote:
That's the mistake you atheists make, you're blindly believing a theory just like the Christians. There are no proven facts at all. There is nothing scientific about it.

Waho waho waho dubstep guy, atheism is usually cause by people using the scientific method. They observe the history of religion, observe it's ways, it's teachings, it's flaws, then then observe modern cosmology and modern biology then by themselves come to the conclusion that it is not in any way the word of an all knowing entity that created the universe.

Because he would know the earth isn't 6000 years old LOL
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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 11:06 AM Reply

At 1/22/13 11:01 AM, spiderman006 wrote:
Based on radio carbon dating which is not accurate, even if it is, doesn't prove life macro evolved.

Kill me if you know what is carbon dating. How idiotic are you? There is more than one radiometric dating way. Hell you don't even know how people verify facts in science.


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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 11:24 AM Reply

At 1/22/13 11:11 AM, spiderman006 wrote:
stuff

Didn't I say there is more than a way to skin the cat? Still defending a fallen tower?


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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 11:47 AM Reply

Will the people above me PLEASE shut up?
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Response to Why I Raise My Children Without God Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 01:34 PM Reply

At 1/22/13 10:05 AM, spiderman006 wrote: That's the mistake you atheists make, you're blindly believing a theory just like the Christians. There are no proven facts at all. There is nothing scientific about it.

The issue here is that you reduce the scientific method via relatism, and try to "balance" the scales to put your own insecurities at ease. The argument in itself is a fallacy as it simply argues from incredulity that the scientific method is on par with blind faith. Your philosophy is weak and pedantic my friend.


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