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best Dubstep VST? Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 02:40 PM Reply

I need like....uhmmm.... a new VST to make DUb guys im so tired of The Massive and FM8
any suggestions?

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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 02:44 PM Reply

There is no "Best VST"... On the flip side, a lot of people would argue Massive is the best... Dunno what you mean by, "I'm tired of it", if that means you don't know how to use it properly, or if you just got bored of it (In which case you should realize making music isn't like playing a game, you shouldn't just get bored of VSTs and move on just to have some new interface to look at).

But since you're looking for suggestions... Omnisphere.

Also... in before "Y DUBSTEP?!"

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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 02:48 PM Reply

Well most people use Massive for synths commonly used in dubstep. You can make some good LFO'd synths in pretty much every VST. I tend to use 3xosc myself quite a lot.


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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 02:55 PM Reply

A guy on the internet was showing off his MASSIVE and he got all those wub-wub swizpt wooble sounds, but it is really expensive.


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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 02:58 PM Reply

At 1/17/13 02:40 PM, WilliamSSA wrote: I need like....uhmmm.... a new VST to make DUb guys im so tired of The Massive and FM8
any suggestions?

Bored of Massive? How do you get bored of a program that can do virtually anything dubstep? Learn how to make your own presets. Stock pretests are crap on Massive anyways.

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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 03:14 PM Reply

At 1/17/13 02:40 PM, WilliamSSA wrote: I need like....uhmmm.... a new VST to make DUb guys im so tired of The Massive and FM8
any suggestions?

Massive is the by far most commonly used VST for Dubstep. You can give z3ta+ a try, but I strongly recommend you to watch / read some Massive tutorials. If you already bought such expensive synthesizers, you should learn how to use them instead of searching other ones. Massive is by the way also one of the more.. accessible VSTs. You can get great results with only a little knowledge & practice, and still it offers a lot of advanced options.

So, my suggestion: Stick to Massive!

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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 04:21 PM Reply

I think vsti that made specific for dubstep wub/synth is Massive, Razor, Z3ta+ or Sawer. I could be wrong.

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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 17th, 2013 @ 07:29 PM Reply

Get a crapload, and work with what you're good with. My instruments favorites are: z3ta+, z3ta+2, vanguard, sylenth 2 HD, junglist, nexus, VOPM, Kairatune, hotelsinus bass package, and blue. I use pretty much all default FL Studio plugins.

My effect favorites are: ohmicide, hematohm, izotope ozone 5 (mainly just for background fx, or sounds with extended delay, really brings out the flavor with a ping-pong delay,) d-blue glitch, Bitcrusher / TAL Bitcrusher, waves restoration pack. and also the Default FL Studio plugin setup.

You don't need an extensive library of vst's to make new and original music, especially new and original GOOD sounding music. Just innovation. inspiration, and the will to make what's been going around in your head.


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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 12:22 AM Reply

What kinds of Massive?

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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 12:31 AM Reply

At 1/19/13 12:22 AM, sugarsimon wrote: What kinds of Massive?

What do you mean, "what kinds"? There's only one version of NI's Massive.

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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 01:39 AM Reply

At 1/19/13 12:31 AM, Yoshiii343 wrote:
At 1/19/13 12:22 AM, sugarsimon wrote: What kinds of Massive?
What do you mean, "what kinds"? There's only one version of NI's Massive.

Do not question the sugarsimon. sugarsimon's words are absolute.


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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 01:58 AM Reply

I would recommend this FREE Noise Generator!

It's really good for creating those atonal dubsteppy sounds that errbady be makin these days


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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 01:58 AM Reply

At 1/19/13 01:39 AM, Back-From-Purgatory wrote: Do not question the sugarsimon. sugarsimon's words are absolute.

NOPE

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But as an answer to OP, any VST can be used for dubstep really. Just add a shit load of distortion, and you'll have a filthy, gritty-as-fuck synth.

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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 19th, 2013 @ 02:52 AM Reply

Okay, I hear this question a lot.

A VST pretty much makes simple sounds and changes them with effects and modulation.We all know that. All VSTs do this in one way, shape, or form. However some have different interfaces and workflows to others.
However most VSTs can do the same things. At the same time, and due to their different interfaces, all these different VSTs can also make slightly different sounds that others can't.

For an example of the former, let's use two popular VSTs - Native Instruments'sMassive and FL Studio's built in tool3xOsc. Both are triple-oscillator synths with changeable waveforms.
Making, say, a very simple jungle reese bassline is accomplishable in both synths.Take two/three saws, detune two/one of them. Done.
We could go one step further and add a lowpass filter and EQ up the low end to help it sit in the bass register better. Massive can do this with built-in filters and a simple EQ. With 3xOsc, however, we may need to end up using external filters. There's no problem with that; personally I like using external effects in comparo to internal ones! But that's just me, and that's why I'd prefer to make a reese in 3xOsc than Massive.

Now for an example of the latter; both Massive and 3xOsc can all make simple sounds with three oscillators and simple on-board envelope control. But with the help of it's unique brand of inbuilt automation, one person could create and sequence a simple synthesised drum beat in the one VST, whereas the same thing would not be as possible in 3xOsc by default.
And how about the classic and infamous Modern Talking bass? 3xOsc could never really accomplish this, as it can't play the Modern Talking waveform (one could sample it, though, into 3xOsc's custom waveform feature. But why do it when you could just use Massive?).

However, both use wavetable synthesis, so are both comparable and can be used for similar things. In fact, I use a lot of 3xOsc and Operator in lieu of Massive and FM8 for my music!
But FM8 does FM synthesis, which makes comparing it to 3xOsc or Massive equal to comparing apples and plums.

So, all VSTs have their features that make them stand out from others, ergo making them better for some forms of music.
Now that we know this, let's define what a "dubstep bass" actually is:

- Usually sitting in the low-mid-range,
- Often has some form of constant and synchronised modulation on one of the parameters - a filter, pwm, the volume, etc.,
- Gritty and distorted,
- Can be repetitive,
- Sometimes has a "vocal"/"vowel" sound in the instrument.

With these criteria we can start to see which synthesisers and what synth methods are suiting dubstep.

FM Synthesisis always good for getting a vocal sound (the classic "bitcrusher"/"yoi-yoi" sound, usually). It uses a lot of modulation-based work for making sounds - tweaking a certain knob can uncover a whole new sound, often. However it usually has a clinically clean sound associated with it, and usually the internal distortion is too clean and soft (this can often be fixed with external distortion effects, like Ohmicide or Fast Dist, however).
Plugins like Native Instruments's FM8 and Ableton's Operator use FM synthesis to create sounds.

Wavetable synthesis relies on using pre-defined waveforms, and therefore some people can tell what synth was used to make a sound (a la Modern Talking and Polysaw synths in Massive - easy to pick out). However most WT synths make up for this by encompassing a lot of on-board effects and filters.
Plugins like Massive, 3xOsc, chipsounds and Dirty Harry use wavetable synthesis to make sounds.

There are other synthesis methods like subtractive, additive, and AM synthesis, which all have their perks and caveats. Look them up for more info.

That said, a lot of the synth work actually lies outside of the synth itself, and in the external effects. So make sure you invest a lot of time into external automation, filters and effects as well as the initial design of the synth!

Personally, I use Operator (FM, built into Ableton),3xOsc (WT, built into FL Studio), Thor (a lot of synth methods, built into Reason) and Vanguard (unsure, VST plugin), with a lot of external effects - usually the ones built into Reason, FL and Ableton. I will say this: a few of my favourite third party plugins areOhmicide for distortion, the CMT Bitcrusher for a lot of effects, and this random zip-file full of various guitar distortion pedal emulations (which really affect the sound a lot).

Really, there's no one "best" dubstep synth. But I hope this info here helps you pick out a good synth to use!


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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 01:49 AM Reply

At 1/17/13 02:44 PM, Back-From-Purgatory wrote: making music isn't like playing a game, you shouldn't just get bored of VSTs and move on just to have some new interface to look at...

No, I think he has a point. I often "get bored" of using a synth after a while, mainly because it's capabilities are a little short of what I need. A new interface and a new batch of sounds is always a helpful thing to get the workflow moving again!

If we were all taught that we should not get bored of synths, then why do other plugins exist? It's not like you have to stay with the one VST for your entire life!


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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 04:50 AM Reply

At 1/19/13 02:52 AM, ChainsawPolice wrote: both use wavetable synthesis

3xosc is subtractive dude, do u even compress m8

anyway UNIQUE is a really cool synth
has the fuckin best formant filter built in, too


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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 04:54 AM Reply

At 1/22/13 04:50 AM, midimachine wrote:
At 1/19/13 02:52 AM, ChainsawPolice wrote: both use wavetable synthesis
3xosc is subtractive dude, do u even compress m8

Really? I pretty much tought because it had preset waveforms that it was a wavetable synth :v


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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 05:31 AM Reply

At 1/22/13 04:54 AM, ChainsawPolice wrote:
At 1/22/13 04:50 AM, midimachine wrote:
At 1/19/13 02:52 AM, ChainsawPolice wrote: both use wavetable synthesis
3xosc is subtractive dude, do u even compress m8
Really? I pretty much tought because it had preset waveforms that it was a wavetable synth :v

nah
wavetable synthesis is basically a shitton of single-cycle waveforms that are stacked & modulated
but not the same as the LSDJ wave synth which is a lookup-table oscillator
and not the same as granular synthesis which makes lots of little "windows" of sound out of a longer sound and then shuffles and overlaps them

subtractive synthesis is when you take preset waveforms preferably with a rich harmonic content (e.g. saw & pulse waves) and then subtract harmonics with filters

also i'm probably fundamentally incorrect about parts or all of these explanations :v


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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 06:06 AM Reply

At 1/17/13 04:21 PM, Elitistinen wrote: I think vsti that made specific for dubstep wub/synth is Massive, Razor, Z3ta+ or Sawer. I could be wrong.

z3ta is more trance than anything. But as for the origional comment go with Massive all the way as stated above.

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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 06:34 AM Reply

At 1/17/13 02:40 PM, WilliamSSA wrote: I need like....uhmmm.... a new VST to make DUb guys im so tired of The Massive and FM8

Yeah, do some tutorials and spend solid amounts of time making your own synth patches from scratch. Massive and FM8 are some of the best, if not the best, synthesizers for dubstep.

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Response to best Dubstep VST? Jan. 22nd, 2013 @ 06:39 AM Reply

At 1/22/13 06:34 AM, The-iMortal wrote: spend solid amounts of time making your own synth patches from scratch.

But first look at the presets, of course!


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