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I am fucking sick of seeing this medievil garb in my country (Britain). It trivializes rape because it gives out the massage that women should have to cover themselves in a dark sheet to avoid men being overcome by lust when they see them.

The burkha is cultural terrorism, which attacks men by claiming that we will rape women according to what they wear, which is just fucking stupid. I think all feminists should abhor and detest this garment.

It just makes me so fucking angry, France had the right idea in banning the burkha.

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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 09:33:14 Reply

Too bad their own kind rape their own women willingly and freely and get away with it... funny thing is the women get punished for it too. I'd call your post a legitimate claim, but alas the Arabian culture is just monumentally "fucked," the only reason they go to other countries is to get away from their own bullshit that even they can't handle.

Most know how fucked up their culture and society is, just they're too pathetic to do anything for it. Running away from their problems really, better off just leaving it be and not caring.

I'd rather not press the issue at least since it's none of my business to begin with, but then again I'm just an "ignorant foolish American."


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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 09:35:11 Reply

At 1/16/13 09:20 AM, Ononymous wrote: I am fucking sick of seeing this medievil garb in my country (Britain). It trivializes rape because it gives out the massage that women should have to cover themselves in a dark sheet to avoid men being overcome by lust when they see them.

because it gives out the massage

the massage

Yeah fuck massages.


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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 09:42:07 Reply

I had a professor in Social Anthropology who did field work on Islamic women in western societies. The interesting points she came out with was that for the women that wear them, it is an option, even within the Islamic societies in the west. The main reason they choose to wear it has very little to do with any sort of "prevention of sexual objectification" as much as it has to do with asserting themselves as both a Muslim and as a woman in a place where Islam is less prevalent.

It's about creating a sense of identity for a lot of them, and I could never encourage the stripping of another person's identity.

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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 09:43:51 Reply

Why would you want to ban cumming on ladies faces?

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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 09:57:54 Reply

At 1/16/13 09:43 AM, TheColourAwesome wrote: Why would you want to ban cumming on ladies faces?

eye c wut u didd thar

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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 10:00:37 Reply

People should dress the way they want to.


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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 10:00:54 Reply

At 1/16/13 09:42 AM, positively-negative wrote: The interesting points she came out with was that for the women that wear them, it is an option, even within the Islamic societies in the west.

According to Wikipedia it's still enforced by various warlords in southern Afghanistan?


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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 10:02:13 Reply

At 1/16/13 10:00 AM, LiquidFire wrote: People should dress the way they want to.

Even if it expresses a harmful message, like the wearing of a swastika armband?

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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 10:06:12 Reply

At 1/16/13 10:00 AM, Dry-Ice wrote: According to Wikipedia it's still enforced by various warlords in southern Afghanistan?

I was being specific towards Islamic women in Western countries who have the option, not the extreme and draconian views exhibited by lunatic warlords in Southern Afghanistan.

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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 10:16:30 Reply

At 1/16/13 10:04 AM, MrPercie wrote:
At 1/16/13 10:02 AM, Ononymous wrote: Even if it expresses a harmful message, like the wearing of a swastika armband?
you dont know what the message of the burkha is then.

The message of the burkha is that women would be violated by men in their countries without hiding the parts of their bodies that could attract them.

In other words it legitimises sexual assault and it makes me wonder why feminists aren't up in arms over it.

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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 10:24:44 Reply

At 1/16/13 10:06 AM, positively-negative wrote:
At 1/16/13 10:00 AM, Dry-Ice wrote: According to Wikipedia it's still enforced by various warlords in southern Afghanistan?
I was being specific towards Islamic women in Western countries who have the option, not the extreme and draconian views exhibited by lunatic warlords in Southern Afghanistan.

Ahh okay, my mistake then. I still think it's an interesting subject, my views on the subject are that it should be a choice and not enforced but to suggest banning it is pathetic, just like banning any article of clothing would be.

People get so up in arms about symbolism and jumping to harsh conclusions, for example the swastika arm band issue - the swastika was an Indian symbol for good luck before it was ever used to represent the ideals of the Nazi party. I get that a swastika arm-band in red, white and black is difficult to interpret any other way, but until you know for sure that the person wearing it is a neo-Nazi, you shouldn't judge them that way.

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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 10:49:45 Reply

The burka-wearing women I see do talk to men shamelessly. I doubt they somehow encourage rape.


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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 11:01:57 Reply

At 1/16/13 09:20 AM, Ononymous wrote:

:It trivializes rape because it gives out the massage that women should have to cover themselves in a dark sheet to avoid men being overcome by lust when they see them.

I agree with this. I would hope that they would feel more comfortable wearing what they want outside of their country, but its their religion, so ya cant really complain about it. Like jews wearing yamakas or the amish wearing all that pilgrim stuff.


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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 11:06:57 Reply

At 1/16/13 10:02 AM, Ononymous wrote:
At 1/16/13 10:00 AM, LiquidFire wrote: People should dress the way they want to.
Even if it expresses a harmful message, like the wearing of a swastika armband?

you're a fucking fascist and you hate free speech, ergo you hate freedom

you're a bigger danger to freedom in the UK than a million burkhas

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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 11:09:48 Reply

At 1/16/13 10:02 AM, Ononymous wrote: Even if it expresses a harmful message, like the wearing of a swastika armband?

Yes.

The government has no right to regulate dress even if it's something you consider harmful.

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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 11:36:26 Reply

There is no reason to ban the Burka if there are laws that protect victims of sexual assault in the United States and the United Kingdom. Most women that wears them in the US and UK are more than likely aware that it's illegal to commit sexual assault for any reason, so I can only conclude that they wear them for some other reason (identity, religious views regardless of what law exists in their country, etc). Banning the Burka in the United States will also violate the First Amendment of the Constitution regarding Freedom of Religion, but I don't completely know how the laws of the UK work other then basic criminal laws.


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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 11:38:35 Reply

At 1/16/13 11:06 AM, Earfetish wrote:
At 1/16/13 10:02 AM, Ononymous wrote:
At 1/16/13 10:00 AM, LiquidFire wrote: People should dress the way they want to.
Even if it expresses a harmful message, like the wearing of a swastika armband?
you're a fucking fascist and you hate free speech, ergo you hate freedom

you're a bigger danger to freedom in the UK than a million burkhas

I didn't say it should be directly banned did I?

Anyway, if you think it's fascist to ask people to adhere to a dress code, why not defend people's right to wear a balaclava into a bank or to walk naked down the street? People with full head coverings can disguise their identities in security situations, but people have to respect the burqa and get called racist in multiculti Britain if they ask women to unveil for security reasons- look at Jack Straw asking women to remove their veils in his office- freedom is limited by how harmful something is to others!

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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 12:16:10 Reply

At 1/16/13 11:09 AM, Entice wrote:
At 1/16/13 10:02 AM, Ononymous wrote: Even if it expresses a harmful message, like the wearing of a swastika armband?
Yes.

The government has no right to regulate dress even if it's something you consider harmful.

Because the Finnish Airforce Swastika of World War 2 makes us all Jew Hating Neophytes...

Swastikas aren't inherently evil, it's just how the human race made it out to be.

LEARN HISTORY KIDS.

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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 12:23:58 Reply

A lot of women enjoy wearing the burkha because they love feeling closer to God. Who are you to want to deny them that?

It's a grey issue. The best way is to wait for religion to just fade away.


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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 12:45:10 Reply

People can wear burkhas is they want to. No one's making you wear it. Get over it, and stop overreacting about what it means to you. If you don't believe in it, you shouldn't care.

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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 12:48:52 Reply

At 1/16/13 09:20 AM, Ononymous wrote: The burkha is cultural terrorism, which attacks men by claiming that we will rape women according to what they wear...

Actualy it's true. If you see girl which looks like a slut, you treat her like a slut no matter what she wants to be treated like.

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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 12:59:54 Reply

At 1/16/13 09:42 AM, positively-negative wrote: I had a professor in Social Anthropology who did field work on Islamic women in western societies. The interesting points she came out with was that for the women that wear them, it is an option, even within the Islamic societies in the west. The main reason they choose to wear it has very little to do with any sort of "prevention of sexual objectification" as much as it has to do with asserting themselves as both a Muslim and as a woman in a place where Islam is less prevalent.

It's about creating a sense of identity for a lot of them, and I could never encourage the stripping of another person's identity.

I would believe that the prevention of sexual objectification is not the only reason for wearing them (or is perhaps not even a reason at all).

However, it sounds a little implausible to me that Arabian women have a free choice to wear burkhas or not and that there is absolutely no pressure coming from anywhere (not from men, not from the Muslim society, not from social norms, not from other women) to wear them.

Anyway, whatever the reasons, I'm not in favour of a ban like in France. If it is purely out of choice then it's fine because everyone should be free to wear what they like. If women are forced to wear them for questionable reasons then I think it's best to try and convince Muslims it's not okay, hoping that they will voluntarily stop the usage of them. I get that that's difficult and time consuming though and instigating a ban is easy.


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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 13:02:46 Reply

At 1/16/13 11:38 AM, Ononymous wrote: I didn't say it should be directly banned did I?

Please see thread title for evidence

why not defend people's right to wear a balaclava into a bank or to walk naked down the street?

I support the rights of commercial property owners to decide their own dress codes, from 'no trainers in this club' to 'no face coverings in the bank'. I also support the right of you to throw people out of your house if they don't take their shoes off in the hallway. I don't support all-out bans on anything though, even though I agree with you that the burkha represents women as second-class citizens and that the arguments supporting it say some pretty offensive things about rape.

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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 20:54:50 Reply

Not to mention that girl in Philadelphia got kidnapped by a woman in full Muslim garb that hid her identity. Yes, the school staff were completely fucking boneheaded and should be fired/sued for allowing the woman to take her, but at that point, it's a serious public safety risk. What if someone were to use that to rob a bank?

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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 21:00:05 Reply

I used to think they were oppressive.

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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 21:10:03 Reply

Fights for womens' rights.
Tells them what they can't wear.


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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 21:12:22 Reply

I know 3 Muslim girls and they all chose to wear hijabs (can't wear burkhas because we wear uniforms). They do out of respect for their religion and respect for themselves.


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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 21:18:21 Reply

They wear it because some muslims idea of nakedness extends to showing a womans skin, forcing them to show it is like forcing someone to strip naked. Thats why they say they do it out of deceny, its like how we wear clothes over our genitals.

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Response to Why I Support Banning The Burkha 2013-01-16 22:03:24 Reply

Are burkhas stupid and completely unnecessary? Yes.

Should they be banned? No.


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