At 1/18/13 08:11 PM, 4761 wrote:
Oh wait. That doesn't happen. You say that "I can't solve my wife's emotional problems" yeah well, are you trying to say religion can?
You must be single, caused you missed this one by a mile.
You can tell your wife/girlfriend everything about how to fix her problems and all you will do is make her more mad. All she wants to to be comforted and validated. You can try to understand why people are so connected to religion with logic, but in the end, it's all about comfort and connection. Unless you get this empotional connection you will never understand religion.
What are emotions? Nothing but a vast array of neurological reactions to certain situations designed to keep us mentally stable and physically well (except for the time where it doesn't keep us well).
And religion helps keep millions mentally stable and physically well. You would rob them of this, why? (you're a dick, that's why)
Oh yeah, fuck mythology. You know, the very things that are supposed to elucidate the so-called good morals to the practitioner. The stories that were supposed to explain unexplainable but now unexplainable occurrences.
That's part of the emotional connection. Instead of having these vast empty holes of pure guesses about what exists around us, it allows those people to fill the holes and go on with the merry lives.
We're not debating user experience here. We are debating religion and all of its good and evil. The sociological, cultural, and political implications of religion impact far more than simply user experience.
That's wrong. The core of religion is the user experience. Everything else is nothing other than a product of the humans involved.
But that's not the point we're making. The point we're making is that there are so many heinous morals expounded in these fables and that they should never be part of the experience to begin with. Of course more people realize that these stories are fictional, but the argument here is that they were never useful to begin with and they are further proof that the idea of God that many worship is a narcissistic fiend or that religion is very deceitful.
The only narcissism here is the idea that not believing in god makes one better than those who do.
If someone chooses to believe outlandish thing sin order for them to live an ordinary life, so be it. Also, have you eve noticed that the morals you hate in religion are only followed by those who don't like the concept to begin with? Most religious folk break rules left and right, and only follow those they want to follow. In other wrods they choose the morals to follow. Those religious who hate gays don't hate gays because the religion says so. They hate them because they hate them and use the religion as a cover.
What kind of guidance, exactly? What kind of guidance does religion give that already couldn't be given without its existence?
Nothing. But that's irrelevant. They gravitate to religion not because it's the sole place guidance can be found, but because it is a place where guidance is EASY to find. It's a preset guide where everything is laid out for you.
So does terrorism. Get enough terrorists who share the same values together and they will treat themselves with the utmost respect and share wholesome pastimes and duties.
And? Your point?
The point is you don't need religion to be a part of a larger community. If one cranes their neck the other way, they might spot a community that is all right for them without having to adhere to strict moral codes, lies, stories, dogma, etc...
Again it's not about religion being the only place to find community. It's about a pre-existing community already being in place.
The growth of such communities outside of religion has been a large factor in the decline of religion recently.
When nothing else can?
Sound slike you've lived a cuhsy life and never struggled for anything. I have had tough times and I can tell you it's fucking hard to find things to comfort you when everything around you is a reminder of how shitty things have gotten. Religion is one of the few concepts that is taught as unconditional in our lives.
For people to be lied to and told that everything will be better just for the sake of having them comforted?
Hell yes it's OK. I'd rather die in comfort and ignorance than in full knowledge and in pain (physicl or emotional).
We are not supposed to be comforted. We are supposed to solve our problems or at least try to solve them.
Again, armchair quarterbacking from a 1st world rich kid on his computer seat.
Not all problems in life can be solved. Dead relatives will not come back. Lost organs will not grow back. Terminal diseases will not go away. Lost loves rarely come back. Lost jobs rarely come back. Past mistakes cannot be unmade.
Yes, we can all move on, but part of moving on is accepting where you have gone, and religion helps millions od this every day.
This is why I defend religion, not because of whether it is correct or not, but because it helps people.Religion causes more problems,
Those problems are human problems caused by humans weaknesses, such as greed, ingorance, hatred and so on. Those things still exist in equal number in secular communities. Religion, in those cases, is nothing but a tool of a secular ill.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
That is pretty clear. You are so set in your religious hatred of religion that you cnnot see simple facts in front of you: Billions love religion as religion has given them a lot. I suggest you stop doing what you preach to hate (labelling vast swaths of people) and start ATTEMPTING to understand, as the non-religious are supposed to be ore undertanding, right? Prove that notion right, not wrong.