At 1/24/13 11:40 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:
It's predominately Gang Violence that equates to the vast majority of the shooting in America.
I'm not so sure about that one.
At 1/24/13 11:49 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
1) We're not talking about Gang Violence, but since you brought it up, gun violence and gangs seem to run most rampant in cities with the tightest gun laws, like NY and LA
The gun laws were created in response to the high amount of gun violence. Nice try, though.
2) It's literally impossible to stop a criminal from obtaining what they want. That's why they're criminals. They want something, drugs, alcohol during prohibition or whatever, and will hurt people to get it. This is an unstoppable fact of life. As such, it is better to allow people to defend themselves
The goal of such laws isn't to completely stop criminals. The lawmakers know that's not possible. The goal is to make it so hard for criminals to do a certain act that they either waste a lot of their resources on it, expose themselves to attention while trying to go out of their way to find it, or to make it so expensive and time consuiming that many criminals decide not to do it. When the country's gun violence numbers are in the tens of thousands, those three obstacles can make a HUGE dent.
3) Gun free zones do violate the moral code of allowing someone to protect themselves and/or their families. That's a right, don't ya think? Don't you tihnk that people have a right to protect themselves? The Constitution does. In fact, I'd say anyone, anywhere will agree that it is your right to defend your life and well-being.
Yeah, but if you reduce the amount of criminals with guns (which WILL happen with proper gun control) what is needed to protect one's family changes. And don't give me this "well, NYC has tough laws, but guns are still there" garbage. Their tough gun laws are sobtaged by the lack of state to state customs and other states willing to sell guns to anyone with cash, no questions asked. Until a US jurisidiction is able to have gun laws and a protected border from all other gun jurisdictions, and removes all prior guns, you cannot use that argument. It is completely stilted.
At 1/25/13 12:14 AM, Ceratisa wrote:
Police respond, not prevent. We are constantly cutting down their budgets and making them cut personnel. Murder =/= Self Defense by definition.
Actually, legally, killing in self defense IS murder. It merely falls under the category of justifiable murder and thus carries no liability.