Political Correctness Thread

[Ononymous]

Post the biggest bullshit political correctness phrase you've ever heard.

Drug addiction is a disease. Pffffft hahaha.

[Ragnarokia]

At 1/10/13 08:31 PM, Ononymous wrote: Post the biggest bullshit political correctness phrase you've ever heard.

"Political correctness has gone mad"

[All-American-Badass]

i don't think anyone can top this

[Xenomit]

At 1/10/13 08:38 PM, All-American-Badass wrote: i don't think anyone can top this

Uggghhhh

[Ragnarokia]

At 1/10/13 08:38 PM, All-American-Badass wrote: i don't think anyone can top this

Not going to bother with more than knowing the linked title. But that is one of the most ridiculous claims to exist if it is true, which I heavily doubt. Gay couples have their children calling them both mum or both dad. There is nothing wrong with that.

But with that said, it is blatantly something made up to get people annoyed and shouting at the breakfast table. Same with the story about the law for bananas needing to say how curved they were, and the law for circus tightrope performers needing to wear a hard hat, and the trawler men needing to wear a hair net, and of course the classic joke from Yes Minister about sausages being called "fat offle tubes." or similar. This stuff gets made up all the time, usually with the caption of someone saying "You can't make this up."

[All-American-Badass]

At 1/10/13 08:47 PM, Ragnarokia wrote:

At 1/10/13 08:38 PM, All-American-Badass wrote: i don't think anyone can top this

Not going to bother with more than knowing the linked title. But that is one of the most ridiculous claims to exist if it is true, which I heavily doubt. Gay couples have their children calling them both mum or both dad. There is nothing wrong with that.

As per the article, it's official government documents that are going to go through the change of replacing "mother and father" with "parent 1 and parent 2", so along with being overly politically correct it's also Orwellian.

[Sekhem]

At 1/10/13 08:55 PM, All-American-Badass wrote: As per the article, it's official government documents that are going to go through the change of replacing "mother and father" with "parent 1 and parent 2", so along with being overly politically correct it's also Orwellian.

It's not Orwellian, at all. It's being sensitive to the very real possibility that the parents are not exclusively male and female. I don't think Orwell would be too upset at steps toward gender neutrality in language.

[All-American-Badass]

At 1/10/13 08:59 PM, Sekhem wrote:

At 1/10/13 08:55 PM, All-American-Badass wrote: As per the article, it's official government documents that are going to go through the change of replacing "mother and father" with "parent 1 and parent 2", so along with being overly politically correct it's also Orwellian.

It's not Orwellian, at all. It's being sensitive to the very real possibility that the parents are not exclusively male and female. I don't think Orwell would be too upset at steps toward gender neutrality in language.

I think it is Orwellian in the fact that the government just recognizes you as a number instead of a hierarchical position and i think you can address the sensitivity towards same sex couples who have a child through adoption or other means by having the form for both parents have "Mother/Father"

[saqwert]

Blacks are people

[Sekhem]

At 1/10/13 09:11 PM, All-American-Badass wrote:

At 1/10/13 08:59 PM, Sekhem wrote:

At 1/10/13 08:55 PM, All-American-Badass wrote: As per the article, it's official government documents that are going to go through the change of replacing "mother and father" with "parent 1 and parent 2", so along with being overly politically correct it's also Orwellian.

It's not Orwellian, at all. It's being sensitive to the very real possibility that the parents are not exclusively male and female. I don't think Orwell would be too upset at steps toward gender neutrality in language.

I think it is Orwellian in the fact that the government just recognizes you as a number instead of a hierarchical position and i think you can address the sensitivity towards same sex couples who have a child through adoption or other means by having the form for both parents have "Mother/Father"

The point of Orwell's writing wasn't the alienating effect of "sterile" language. Maybe you should reread some of his novels. The hierarchy argument falls through because you aren't known as simply "1", but "Parent 1," confirming the individual's place in the social hierarchy as a parent. I would disagree strongly on the last point too. Two mothers or two fathers would breed confusion and calling a female a father or vice-versa does the same. In either case, the proposed solution is the best.

Maybe you just really hate numbers. Are your great-grandparents Jewish or something? Just wondering if there is any emotional trauma that would contribute to a hatred of this sorta thing.

[Xenomit]

At 1/10/13 09:20 PM, Sekhem wrote: Maybe you just really hate numbers. Are your great-grandparents Jewish or something? Just wondering if there is any emotional trauma that would contribute to a hatred of this sorta thing.

Are you really, really saying you prefer "Parent 1/2" Over Just plain old mom and dad?

It really pisses me off that some people are so concerned with other people's sensitivity that they try to project what they want onto the masses. I don't give a shit if the gay married couple down the block are offended by the "mom and dad" thing, they can be identified as numbers if they want, that doesn't mean every god damn married couple in the fucking nation have to do that retarded bullshit.

[Sekhem]

At 1/10/13 09:26 PM, Xenomit wrote:

At 1/10/13 09:20 PM, Sekhem wrote: Maybe you just really hate numbers. Are your great-grandparents Jewish or something? Just wondering if there is any emotional trauma that would contribute to a hatred of this sorta thing.

Are you really, really saying you prefer "Parent 1/2" Over Just plain old mom and dad?

It's understandable that you prefer mom and dad, and that's probably how you have traditionally referred to your parents. This is just a personal bias, however, and you need to look past it and at the greater picture. I have no emotional attachment to words, but to the people themselves. I'd rather call my parents by their actual name, in all honestly.

It really pisses me off that some people are so concerned with other people's sensitivity that they try to project what they want onto the masses. I don't give a shit if the gay married couple down the block are offended by the "mom and dad" thing, they can be identified as numbers if they want, that doesn't mean every god damn married couple in the fucking nation have to do that retarded bullshit.

It's not about sensitivity. It's about lingual accuracy. You are investing too many emotions into this argument. Maybe you take it as a personal attack on your own parents? It's really not. I assure you.

[Xenomit]

At 1/10/13 09:30 PM, Sekhem wrote: It's not about sensitivity. It's about lingual accuracy. You are investing too many emotions into this argument. Maybe you take it as a personal attack on your own parents? It's really not. I assure you.

It's not so much the specific thing the government is trying to do over there, it's the thought alone that if the government wants to, it can force a mass amount of people to do something that they don't want to do for the sake of the minority.

Listen, I honestly don't care if someone decides to be identified as "Parent 1/2", now I do think that's really stupid, to be identified as a number, but that's your choice, whatever. It's not up to the government to say how parents are identified; it's up to the individual parents at hand.

Most of it has to do with my hate for careless governing. And this is a very, very prime example.

[Gagsy]

"Have you seen the new guy Karl?"

"Don't think so. Whats he look so?"

"He's um... I don't like to say."

JUST FUCKING SAYING IT.

[Dry-Ice]

Just spitballing here, but if a heterosexual couple were referred to as 'parent 1' and 'parent 2', would the number always represent the same gender and if so, wouldn't that cause feelings of inequality between the two genders and cause an outcry as whichever gender is labelled '2' feeling less important than #1?

[Gagsy]

At 1/10/13 09:38 PM, Dry-Ice wrote: Just spitballing here, but if a heterosexual couple were referred to as 'parent 1' and 'parent 2', would the number always represent the same gender and if so, wouldn't that cause feelings of inequality between the two genders and cause an outcry as whichever gender is labelled '2' feeling less important than #1?

Then we simply start replacing '1' and '2' for words which we don't automatically rank in some kind of mental order.

I'm all for 'parent pea' and 'parent potato'.

[Xenomit]

At 1/10/13 09:37 PM, Gagsy wrote: "Have you seen the new guy Karl?"

"Don't think so. Whats he look so?"

"He's um... I don't like to say."

JUST FUCKING SAYING IT.

He's the big black guy, short hair.

And then we have the new asian dude, ping wang.

At 1/10/13 09:38 PM, Dry-Ice wrote: Just spitballing here, but if a heterosexual couple were referred to as 'parent 1' and 'parent 2', would the number always represent the same gender and if so, wouldn't that cause feelings of inequality between the two genders and cause an outcry as whichever gender is labelled '2' feeling less important than #1?

I think it was meant to make gay parents feel more accepted in society, or like they fit in or something.

[Sekhem]

At 1/10/13 09:34 PM, Xenomit wrote:

At 1/10/13 09:30 PM, Sekhem wrote: It's not about sensitivity. It's about lingual accuracy. You are investing too many emotions into this argument. Maybe you take it as a personal attack on your own parents? It's really not. I assure you.

It's not so much the specific thing the government is trying to do over there, it's the thought alone that if the government wants to, it can force a mass amount of people to do something that they don't want to do for the sake of the minority.

So what you are really afraid of is authority? Perhaps you think an governmental act such as this will symbolically replace your parents with the government. Is this a scary thought - symbolically losing your parents and being forced to reckon with a less familiar authority?

Listen, I honestly don't care if someone decides to be identified as "Parent 1/2", now I do think that's really stupid, to be identified as a number, but that's your choice, whatever. It's not up to the government to say how parents are identified; it's up to the individual parents at hand.

Ah, now it's all about you. It's okay as long as it doesn't bother you. Soon you will learn to accept it and everything will be just fine. Your environment is only being temporarily disturbed, my sweet darling. Are you often afraid of changes?

Most of it has to do with my hate for careless governing. And this is a very, very prime example.

What is so careless about this? Is it the fact that it doesn't care about your irrational hatred towards it? Does this make it "careless"?

[Sekhem]

At 1/10/13 09:38 PM, Dry-Ice wrote: Just spitballing here, but if a heterosexual couple were referred to as 'parent 1' and 'parent 2', would the number always represent the same gender and if so, wouldn't that cause feelings of inequality between the two genders and cause an outcry as whichever gender is labelled '2' feeling less important than #1?

This is a good concern, but it's easily solved by just naming Parent #1 the one that alphabetically comes first.

[All-American-Badass]

At 1/10/13 09:56 PM, Sekhem wrote:

At 1/10/13 09:38 PM, Dry-Ice wrote: Just spitballing here, but if a heterosexual couple were referred to as 'parent 1' and 'parent 2', would the number always represent the same gender and if so, wouldn't that cause feelings of inequality between the two genders and cause an outcry as whichever gender is labelled '2' feeling less important than #1?

This is a good concern, but it's easily solved by just naming Parent #1 the one that alphabetically comes first.

Ok let's go deeper down this theoretical slippery slope, What if the gender labeled "A" would feel less important than the gender labeled "1"?

[Xenomit]

At 1/10/13 09:50 PM, Sekhem wrote: So what you are really afraid of is authority?

Yes. Because everyone accepts it. If everyone accepts it, and then they do something stupid or harmful to the people they have authority over, then chances are, nothing is gonna change it.

This has been shown throughout history many, many times.

Perhaps you think a governmental act such as this will symbolically replace your parents with the government. Is this a scary thought - symbolically losing your parents

I hated my parents

being forced to reckon with a less familiar authority?

I don't think too kindly about authority to begin with. Less familiar authority is even worse; someone you have no knowledge of is deciding things for you.

Ah, now it's all about you.

The individuals. If someone wants to identify themselves by numbers, that's fine. But it's just plain retarded for a government to decide that everyone in it's nation has to be identified this way.

Like, I don't even understand how you don't see how stupid it is. The vast, vast majority of parents prefer to be called mom and dad, mainly because the vast majority of parents are hetero. And despite this vast majority preferring one thing, the government chooses to be in favor of the few people that could identify themselves as numbers anyway.

Soon you will learn to accept it and everything will be just fine.

That's not a healthy way to view the world.

"The polar ice caps are melting, we can stop it but it will be hard"

"Nah, just let them melt. You'll learn to accept it, everything is gonna be just fine."

Your environment is only being temporarily disturbed, my sweet darling. Are you often afraid of changes?

Only really, really dumb and useless changes. I love changes that positively affect society.

What is so careless about this?

The government is doing something that will force the majority to do something they most likely don't wanna do, for the minority, who could identify themselves differently anyway.

It's completely careless.

Is it the fact that it doesn't care about your irrational hatred towards it?

There isn't really much irrationality in hate towards people who you don't even know making dumb decisions for you, and then not caring if you don't like it.

[satanbrain]

Using the word 'minorities' instead of naming the ethnicity.

[Entice]

"Sir, you have to stand 10 more feet away from the building to smoke a cigarette."
"Marijuana addiction is a disease."

At 1/10/13 08:55 PM, All-American-Badass wrote: As per the article, it's official government documents that are going to go through the change of replacing "mother and father" with "parent 1 and parent 2", so along with being overly politically correct it's also Orwellian.

"Official government documents" are already dry and bland, who cares if they want to start numbering parents on them? You already have a fucking social security number. Bureaucrats aren't exactly poets. It doesn't force people to use the language on an everyday basis.

[Sekhem]

At 1/10/13 10:46 PM, satanbrain wrote: Using the word 'minorities' instead of naming the ethnicity.

I didn't realize LBGTs were an ethnicity.

[Entice]

At 1/11/13 12:20 AM, Sekhem wrote:

At 1/10/13 10:46 PM, satanbrain wrote: Using the word 'minorities' instead of naming the ethnicity.

I didn't realize LBGTs were an ethnicity.

...and minority is still accurate with race because, you know, they're a minority group.

[T3XT]

At 1/11/13 12:17 AM, Entice wrote: "Marijuana addiction is a disease."

"Marijuana addiction is a thing"
"It's also a valid reason to throw people into rehab"

[satanbrain]

At 1/11/13 12:20 AM, Sekhem wrote:

At 1/10/13 10:46 PM, satanbrain wrote: Using the word 'minorities' instead of naming the ethnicity.

I didn't realize LBGTs were an ethnicity.

It implies the minority spoken of is an ethnicity.

[Entice]

At 1/11/13 12:37 AM, T3XT wrote: "Marijuana addiction is a thing"

Well, physical addiction isn't a thing. I've known a few people that get way too into it and literally do nothing but get stoned, with short breaks to eat. I'd call that an addiction.

[AbstractPathologist]

At 1/10/13 10:46 PM, satanbrain wrote: Using the word 'minorities' instead of naming the ethnicity.

^THIS^

[T3XT]

At 1/11/13 12:41 AM, Entice wrote: Well, physical addiction isn't a thing. I've known a few people that get way too into it and literally do nothing but get stoned, with short breaks to eat. I'd call that an addiction.

Well...Yeah, I know those types of burnouts. Still not a reason to force them into rehab IMO though. I discovered that a great deal of our rehab facilities are filled with stoners, which seems stupid since they can't harm anyone but themselves. Marijuana is federally classified under the same level of drug addiction as heroin, which is just ridiculous, since the only addiction to pot is in the user's head. Caffeine is more addictive for god's sakes.

/end rant