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Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-22 21:30:30 Reply

I was thinking about this and it really is an interesting and while it may seem stupid, up for debate topic. Let me explain what I mean. Pain is a mental construct, pain does not physically manifest, but given enough pain, you will die. Another example is when people get so terrified of their nightmares that they suffer heart failures.

So does this mean that other things that aren't real could kill you as well?

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Response to Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-22 21:32:47 Reply

Well pain and nightmares are real even though we define them abstractly.

I don't think something that doesn't exist could kill you. I mean, from a strictly logical viewpoint.


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Response to Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-22 21:33:00 Reply

Well, if we want to look at this in a roundabout way, you said yourself that nightmares can give people heart failures. Nightmares also aren't real; they're mental creations, just like pain. Unless I'm just completely misunderstanding the question.


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Response to Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-22 21:33:21 Reply

Many people think Johnny Cash died of a broken heart.

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Response to Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-22 21:33:47 Reply

At 12/22/12 09:30 PM, Suprememessage wrote: given enough pain, you will die

no you won't

Another example is when people get so terrified of their nightmares that they suffer heart failures

that's because of an increased heart rate + a weak heart


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Response to Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-22 21:35:37 Reply

Pain doesnt kill you (unless it causes a heart attack)

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Response to Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-22 21:38:47 Reply

No pains won't kill you, brony.


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Response to Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-22 22:06:09 Reply

At 12/22/12 09:38 PM, dem0lecule wrote: No pains won't kill you, brony.

Good ole double negative!
Any who... a massive amount of pain will never kill you. You'll pass out but then you'll eventually regain consciousness and you're right back to being tortured. But things that aren't real that can kill you is a super weapon on the Forbidden Planet...

They'll rip you to fucking bits!

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Response to Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-22 22:09:39 Reply

Tom Tucker: In sadder news, the man who held the Guinness World Record for "Most Drugs Ever Done by a Single Human Being" died today; he was attacked by a pack of wild dogs he thought he saw.

The answer is "yes".


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Response to Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-22 22:10:59 Reply

yeah... it's called the placebo effect

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Response to Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-22 22:11:04 Reply

At 12/22/12 09:33 PM, MushookieMan wrote:
At 12/22/12 09:30 PM, Suprememessage wrote: given enough pain, you will die
no you won't

Yes you will, if you feel enough pain you will go into shock and die.

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Response to Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-22 22:15:01 Reply

At 12/22/12 09:33 PM, MushookieMan wrote:
Another example is when people get so terrified of their nightmares that they suffer heart failures
that's because of an increased heart rate + a weak heart

Also, there is a sleeping disorder called SUNDS (Sudden Unexpected Nocturnal Death Syndrome), in which people in good health in their 30's up can have nightmares that cause them to panic in their sleep so much that they literally stop breathing and die. It's apparently very rare (100 cases in the U.S. since 1977, mostly people of Southeast Asian origins). Supposedly, it only happens over a long period of time after having certain nightmares (as in someone sitting on your chest all night long or repeatedly attacking you over and over for weeks in your sleep).

According to the Cambridge History of Disease manual, "The victim has no known antecedent illnesses, and there are no factors that might precipitate cardiac arrest; at autopsy, no cause of death can be identified in the heart, lung or brain. Postmortem toxicologic screening tests reveal no poisons."

I guess it's true what they say. In some cases, you die in your dreams, you die for real.


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Response to Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-22 22:24:48 Reply

what is real. what isn't. if you think that anything your conious mind thinks is there then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain

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Response to Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-22 22:24:51 Reply

Everything you see, feel, hear, process....know...is all in your head. An imaginary monster can only get as real as you make him out to be, make him a little too real and he may just take your life. Some people have been known to die of heart attacks because they got too frightened of something or stress of delusions leading to death...etc...

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Response to Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-23 01:17:04 Reply

Hmm, I don't think so, bro. Unless Spontaneous combustion is considered "Not real".

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Response to Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-23 01:28:59 Reply

At 12/22/12 09:30 PM, Suprememessage wrote: Pain is a mental construct, pain does not physically manifest

It does in the sense that pain is caused by your brain receiving signals.

Another example is when people get so terrified of their nightmares that they suffer heart failures.

Nightmares are also something manifested from your brain. Just because what the nightmare is about isn't real doesn't mean that the chemical/electrical processes of the brain aren't real.


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Response to Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-23 01:34:31 Reply

People have died from a broken heart. Including those who literally do die alongside their partners who they have loved their whole life, something that has been noted in humans and other animals.

There is no real reason I know of for this, but it is simply like the body chose to no longer live without their partner.


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Response to Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-23 13:15:51 Reply

Yes.
Some guy killed himself because his favorite fictional character died in an anime.


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Response to Can things that aren't real kill yo 2012-12-23 13:44:44 Reply

At 12/23/12 01:33 PM, Amaranthus wrote: although you could say the fictional character caused it, but that's something different.

That was kinda what I was saying, yes. It was just one example of how real things can kill you, but it was more accurate what the OP wrote about a nightmare giving you a heart attack. So in other words, I agree.


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