At 12/29/12 06:16 PM, Warforger wrote:
You know like Goldman Sachs, Bernie Madoff or say every corrupt politician ever.
Exactly. Had the government not been protecting and encouraging this sort of thievery, we'd be in a much better place.
That would be true if it were like 1924, but we get Unemployment benefits we get Social Security Benefits we get Medicare benefits etc.
Unemployment benefits are paid for by individuals and/or employers. Please, tell me how a bailout of a bank benefits my medicare. Please tell me how Bush/Obama stealing from my social security to fight wars helps me.
How about, I opt out of BOTH programs, and save for it myself. I don't need a babysitter, and I don't need someone to pay my medical and/or retirement bills. So, why should the government be allowed to take money that I earn, without my consent, for things I don't want, and even if I did, will probably never see the benefits of?
Oh god no, it would be the current situation with the Fiscal Cliff exponentially worse.
If we lived in a nation where consumers (or plebs, more accurately) had the same treatment as the CEO of GM, or corporations recieved the treatment we get, there would be no unchecked corporatism. Corporatism only gets out of hand when you remove consumers from the equation via crony capitalist policies.
So would you say that the government is greedy? Going by that logic isn't this a good thing?
The government is not a person. The government does not innovate. The government steals money, and gives to those undeserving. That's not greed, it's evil.
Not the exact same thing, if Obama was doing that then he would win West Virginia by double digits (I mean, West Virgina is deep blue, nearly every politician there is a Democrat yet Obama had no chance of winning the state because of his position on coal).
Oh it's exactly the same. Bush bailout, bad. Obama bailout, okay. And let's not over look the fact that it will soon be federal law that you buy insurance from corporations. I thought Obama was supposed to put an end to all that crony capitalism stuff. You know, making the "fat cats" pay a little more? Now he's giving them billions, and now requiring you to give insurance corporations money? Something doesn't match...
Oh and corporations are not the same thing as wealthy people. This is a basic principle you learn in economics.