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Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 03:29 PM Reply

Hipsters have come up a lot I've noticed here. What exactly is it that you don't like about these people and what is it that makes a hipster? Sweaters, experimental music, an appreciation for art and design? What are wrong with these things and at what point of enjoying them do I become a pretentious twat? Everyone hates these people and I still don't know why?


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 03:33 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 03:29 PM, TheColourAwsome wrote: Everyone hates these people and I still don't know why?

The same reason everyone hated emos, scene kids and whatever came before that.. they're different and individuals will give them a bad reputation by being annoying as fuck.

I think being a hipster is actually socially acceptable though, it's nothing too extreme. Plus it's mostly an internet craze.


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 03:34 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 03:29 PM, TheColourAwsome wrote: pretentious twat?

This is why. They think they're classy assholes. They're like proud hippies.


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 03:35 PM Reply

There is a difference between practicing free speech and being completely obnoxious about it. Vying for attention with a soulless subculture is not exactly how you exercise the former. In fact, all it does is grant those individuals less personal identity by flocking into a group of being equally 'different', effectively making their existence the ultimate paradox.

Even the punk movement began as something meaningful. Falsely interpreting irony is not grounds to form a subculture.


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 03:40 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 03:34 PM, jjjkuk wrote:
At 12/18/12 03:29 PM, TheColourAwsome wrote: pretentious twat?
This is why. They think they're classy assholes. They're like proud hippies.

How many people who look like hipsters (Which basically implies smugness so it's an ignorant word to use in the first place) do you know, are you friends with? Maybe these people don't like you because you're constantly judging them?


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 03:44 PM Reply

Not many people have a problem with people who just wear sweaters and like art. Everyone has a problem with people who express how proud they are about the fact that they wear sweaters and like art, the people who claim to be photographers by taking ordinary pictures of ordinary food and feet run through instagram, and the people who prattle on about how the mainstream is ruining art at any opportunity. I live in an area overrun by these kinds of people.


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 03:44 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 03:35 PM, Landpaddle wrote: There is a difference between practicing free speech and being completely obnoxious about it. Vying for attention with a soulless subculture is not exactly how you exercise the former. In fact, all it does is grant those individuals less personal identity by flocking into a group of being equally 'different', effectively making their existence the ultimate paradox.

Even the punk movement began as something meaningful. Falsely interpreting irony is not grounds to form a subculture.

No one's trying to make a statement or be obnoxious. I have a rainbow-type sweater which I think looks pretty nice. I wear it because it looks I think it looks nice. People see it and hang shit on me because it doesn't look like what they're wearing and because of that I must be a try-hard.


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 03:46 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 03:40 PM, TheColourAwsome wrote:
At 12/18/12 03:34 PM, jjjkuk wrote:
At 12/18/12 03:29 PM, TheColourAwsome wrote: pretentious twat?
This is why. They think they're classy assholes. They're like proud hippies.
How many people who look like hipsters (Which basically implies smugness so it's an ignorant word to use in the first place) do you know, are you friends with? Maybe these people don't like you because you're constantly judging them?

Just because I judge people anonymously online or in my mind doesn't mean I do it in person. I actually don't personally know any. ... I can't remember if I've ever witnessed any. I rarely go to Starbucks or Apple stores.


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 03:46 PM Reply

most people classify anyone who wears obscure clothing and listens to independent music

the hipsters people hate are the try-hard pretentious type. i hang out with what you could say are hipsters and we dont really judge anyone based on music or clothing taste (unless it is mockably back) and we aren't annoying douche bags


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 03:48 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 03:46 PM, ziraffe wrote: i hang out with what you could say are hipsters and we dont really judge anyone based on music or clothing taste (unless it is mockably back) and we aren't annoying douche bags

Then again, it can be (for the most part) just a stereotype. When I go to San Francisco soon, I'll know.


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 03:49 PM Reply

Just because I judge people anonymously online or in my mind doesn't mean I do it in person. I actually don't personally know any. ... I can't remember if I've ever witnessed any. I rarely go to Starbucks or Apple stores.

So if you never see these people why is it you dislike them?


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 03:51 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 03:29 PM, TheColourAwsome wrote: Sweaters, experimental music, an appreciation for art and design? What are wrong with these things and at what point of enjoying them do I become a pretentious twat?

You're not a pretentious twat for enjoying them. You're a pretentious twat if you

1. Look down upon people who happen not to like those things
2. Think you're more intelligent or cultural for liking those things
3. Think that in general, old things are just better than new things
4. Think that in general, underground things are just better than popular things
5. Talk about your interests in a condescending manner
6. Think that you are the first, or one of few, to enjoy the things that you enjoy

Basically, if you don't act like a pretentious twat, you aren't one.


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 03:52 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 03:49 PM, TheColourAwsome wrote:
Just because I judge people anonymously online or in my mind doesn't mean I do it in person. I actually don't personally know any. ... I can't remember if I've ever witnessed any. I rarely go to Starbucks or Apple stores.
So if you never see these people why is it you dislike them?

Because of the stereotypical behaviour I listed in my first post. There are people like that.


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 04:11 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 03:51 PM, Scarface wrote:
At 12/18/12 03:29 PM, TheColourAwsome wrote: Sweaters, experimental music, an appreciation for art and design? What are wrong with these things and at what point of enjoying them do I become a pretentious twat?
You're not a pretentious twat for enjoying them. You're a pretentious twat if you

1. Look down upon people who happen not to like those things

Fair enough.

2. Think you're more intelligent or cultural for liking those things

What's wrong with that? It's called having pride and there's nothing wrong with pride alone.

3. Think that in general, old things are just better than new things

A lot of older things do seem to be greater in quality. Somethings are better than others in how they are constructed and at what price they are set. But if you're trying to argue that something is better than something else rather than just seeing things for what they are rather than what they're not I can see how that could be a little pointless.

4. Think that in general, underground things are just better than popular things

Again. It depends how you define better.

5. Talk about your interests in a condescending manner

Fair enough.

6. Think that you are the first, or one of few, to enjoy the things that you enjoy

Fair enough.

Basically, if you don't act like a pretentious twat, you aren't one.

So when have you ever experienced this, first hand?


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 04:14 PM Reply

6. Think that you are the first, or one of few, to enjoy the things that you enjoy

Actually, I don't really understand this one? That's a pretty vague statement.


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 04:15 PM Reply

In my view a hipster is just a person who pretends to be unique, but is actually not at all. Either they're acting, or their actions/interests in general aren't unique.

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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 04:25 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 04:11 PM, TheColourAwsome wrote:
2. Think you're more intelligent or cultural for liking those things
What's wrong with that? It's called having pride and there's nothing wrong with pride alone.

You shouldn't have pride in enjoying something. You might have pride for doing something or creating something, but you shouldn't be proud to enjoy something. Anyone can do that, it's just a matter of opinion.

6. Think that you are the first, or one of few, to enjoy the things that you enjoy
Actually, I don't really understand this one? That's a pretty vague statement.

Taking a band that's pretty well known (I'll use Foster the People, for example, an Indie band that's pretty well known) and saying that

1. You knew this band before anybody else did
2. Nobody else knows this band

The first one is highly unlikely, and the second one is just false.

Basically, if you don't act like a pretentious twat, you aren't one.
So when have you ever experienced this, first hand?

I know a lot of people who

1. Insist on not listening to any well known music.
2. Think of themselves as having a better musical taste than anyone else, because the music they like is lesser known.
3. Think that "nobody listens to old music but them"

Hipsters are people who think that being different makes them better. I'm not saying it makes them worse, or that be conforming to the norm you are better, I'm just saying that doing something for the sake of being better than someone makes you a pretentious douche.


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 04:26 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 03:29 PM, TheColourAwsome wrote: Sweaters, experimental music, an appreciation for art and design

ssshhhiiittt

i'm wearing a sweater
i like ryoji ikeda, merzbow and macintosh plus
and art and design is cool

what the FUCK do i do now???


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 04:36 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 03:29 PM, TheColourAwsome wrote: Hipsters have come up a lot I've noticed here. What exactly is it that you don't like about these people and what is it that makes a hipster? Sweaters, experimental music, an appreciation for art and design? What are wrong with these things and at what point of enjoying them do I become a pretentious twat? Everyone hates these people and I still don't know why?

They're usually fake intellectuals, which is the worst kind of people. Very left-wing egalitarian environmentalist ideas about the world which are typically not so much based on facts as viral facebook images.
They buy "vintage" clothes from big brand stores who get them from flea markets and then flip them on the hipsters at a 40$ profit. They wear cold-weather clothing all the time, like those beanie hats that look like someone took a shit in them.

You don't see any adult hipsters. That's a sign that it's a dumbass fad for attention whores. They also ride fixed-gear bikes for some reason. I don't get that. They'll spend hundreds of dollars on fancy bikes but wear shitty moth-eaten clothes.

Their tastes are what you'd expect from any pseudo-intellectual. They don't really have tastes of their own, they just want to sound cool by crafting what they like around a perceived image. Basically we hate them.


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 04:39 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 03:34 PM, jjjkuk wrote:
At 12/18/12 03:29 PM, TheColourAwsome wrote: pretentious twat?
This is why. They think they're classy assholes. They're like proud hippies.

This


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 04:43 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 04:39 PM, Xenomit wrote:
At 12/18/12 03:34 PM, jjjkuk wrote:
At 12/18/12 03:29 PM, TheColourAwsome wrote: pretentious twat?
This is why. They think they're classy assholes. They're like proud hippies.
This

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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 04:43 PM Reply

Hipsters are people who think that being different makes them better. I'm not saying it makes them worse, or that be conforming to the norm you are better, I'm just saying that doing something for the sake of being better than someone makes you a pretentious douche.

Right-o. The problem I have is that I get called a hipster on occasion. I don't do things out of interest. I'm just being a hipster. Not only am I not an individual but I'm also a pretentious cunt.

I work hard at not being a cunt so when I get called a hipster because of what a wear it pisses me off. Especially when you try to tell people why you enjoy certain things and they just shut you down.


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 04:46 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 04:43 PM, TheColourAwsome wrote: I work hard at not being a cunt so when I get called a hipster because of what a wear it pisses me off. Especially when you try to tell people why you enjoy certain things and they just shut you down.

And that's one reason I can't stand hipsters


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 04:55 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 04:46 PM, Xenomit wrote:
At 12/18/12 04:43 PM, TheColourAwsome wrote: I work hard at not being a cunt so when I get called a hipster because of what a wear it pisses me off. Especially when you try to tell people why you enjoy certain things and they just shut you down.
And that's one reason I can't stand hipsters

Why do you listen to that, Man? It's so gay. I'm falling asleep. Where's the singing? Sounds like shit, why's it so off beat?

I quite like it. It's relaxing and the song keeps me engaged.

lol, whatever. Way too hipsta 4 me.


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 05:17 PM Reply

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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 05:18 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 05:14 PM, Scary wrote: probably a little from both columns. i like "indie" music, vintage clothing, and art and design, but am i "hipster?"

Do you do it just because you want to be different? Do you show off in public?


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 05:31 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 05:18 PM, Xenomit wrote:
At 12/18/12 05:14 PM, Scary wrote: probably a little from both columns. i like "indie" music, vintage clothing, and art and design, but am i "hipster?"
Do you do it just because you want to be different? Do you show off in public?

Someone's insecure.


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 05:34 PM Reply

At 12/18/12 05:31 PM, TheColourAwsome wrote:
At 12/18/12 05:18 PM, Xenomit wrote: Do you do it just because you want to be different? Do you show off in public?
Someone's insecure.

Are you implying that I'm insecure?


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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 05:34 PM Reply

Read the entire thread please.

No one's trying to make a statement or be obnoxious. I have a rainbow-type sweater which I think looks pretty nice. I wear it because it looks I think it looks nice. People see it and hang shit on me because it doesn't look like what they're wearing and because of that I must be a try-hard.

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Response to Hipsters Dec. 18th, 2012 @ 07:36 PM Reply

The problem with hipsters is that they twist individuality to the point where they have either an elitist attitude towards either lesser known stuff, or take something that was popular in the past and try to bring it back, as a way to stay witty, cool or whatever else. This wouldn't be so bad if they didn't act like this a lot of the time, but sadly they do.

This is most noticeable when when hipsters attach themselves to something like independent music/video games as a way of sticking it to the man, or to a cause that turns to shit once they jump on the bandwagon, such as OWS. Basically, if anything becomes popular enough, hipsters will get away from it and find some other fad, fashion or what have you to leech off of, as long as that's not popular by the masses.

I'm all for individuality, but when you're trying to be cool because you like obscure crap before everyone else, and dress like an uppity douchebag all the time and think you're hot shit, well naturally they're going to piss me off, and so will a lot of other people.


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