At 12/14/12 10:32 PM, JMHX wrote:
Gish Galloping some unrelated data.So let's get this straight, your logical train:
A logical train based upon training in analyzing social science statistics and data. As well as an understand of social science methodology.
1. I present statistical cases where nations with gun controls have lower gun crime rates.
2. You respond with statistics showing national poverty levels
Along with demographics, populations, and educational attainment.
3. You blow past my point about gun controls
Not really. I'm just pointing out that by just focusing on one variable you are making an assumption that this correlation also means causation. That you're just looking at one variable, which means your conclusion is suspect from a scientific standpoint due to the lack of any rival alternative hypothesis.
I'm just following sound scientific practice.
4. Make a point that isn't relevant to my gun control and crime statistics.
Actually, considering that I'm pointing out factors that in study after study (in peer reviewed journals) are shown to actually have causative effect on crime. Gun control laws on the other hand, do not have such an effect. Afterall I could point out Israel and the Swiss who also have lax gun control laws and yet have exceptionally low crime...as well as Mexico which has very strong gun control laws but their non-firearm murder rate is higher than our total murder rate.
Crime does not come from the availability or non-availability of guns. Instead, it comes from a complex interplay of factors such as education, poverty rates, and ethnic diversity.
The point is that your point that gun control is relevant to crime statistics is false.
5. B-B-But Poverty!
Tell me...is it comforting to have your head buried in the sand?
Address the gun laws.
I did, the point is any serious statistical analysis past just the descriptive stats you original posted show that it is other factors that cause those low or high crime rates.
Gun laws have little to no statistical effect.