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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-20 11:08:30 Reply

At 12/20/12 02:49 AM, Xenomit wrote:
At 12/20/12 02:43 AM, Sentio wrote: 1) We aren't talking about animals
You're denying that humans are animals?

Oh come on, that is just being pedantic for the sake of it. You know full well the point I was trying to make.

Actually, much of the gun violence tends to be domestic problems, namely bad parenting.

There is plenty of that here in the UK though. Still very little gun violence. I'd suggest that people from difficult backgrounds here are more self destructive than mass destructive.

Many situations are harder to deal with than others.

Think of a highschool. It has an open campus, and students are allowed to leave during breaks and lunch, but because 10% of the kids that drive have wrecks, they close open campus. It allows drinks to be taken to class, but because a few kids decide to sneak vodka in, they ban drinks.

The mistakes of the few should not and will not reflect on the mass of the people.

Unfortunately the mistakes of those few can have far reaching consequences on the mass of the people though. Just ask the families of the innocent victims of Sandy Hook. If I were one of the sensible masses I would still want something done to prevent further killing sprees like this. At least we can agree that attempting to change the gun culture is a better idea than trying to restrict guns.

At 12/20/12 09:28 AM, 24901miles wrote:
If the teachers at Sandy Hook Elementary School were allowed to carry firearms, there would be only two casualties.

Confident of that are you? You know that the teachers would want to shoot another human being, and wouldn't miss? You know that the gunman wouldn't shoot them first? It's possible that there would have been as few as two victims. It is also possible that there would still have been 27.

Arming teachers still really bothers me. I just don't see how someone who's job description is to help and look after people can do that and then willingly kill someone else. Especially if that someone was a student that they taught. If it were me, even if a student was pointing a gun at me my reaction would be to try and talk them down, not shoot them. You are just too emotionally involved to kill them.

A better idea would be armed security rather than armed teachers. At least shooting to kill would be a legitimate part of their job description.


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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-20 11:20:16 Reply

I'll give up my assault rifles when Obama gives up his. Sounds fair.

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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-20 12:09:33 Reply

I would be much against the ban of firearms if I was an American.

Citizens without guns would be much easier to control than citizens with guns.

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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-20 13:39:09 Reply

I should really quit stirring the pot with you guys here.. but just wondered in what way you are going to spin and discredit this to fit your own unfounded viewpoint.

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Response to School shooting, 27 people dead 2012-12-20 13:49:58 Reply

if i really have to provide a stance, i would say it is likely that the answer is not that simple. you can't just look at one varible to access the whole situation. there are bound to be other factors (might be much more significant than gun laws) that affect the crime rate. the situation might be more complicated than you think. even if you obtain a set of reliable data that tells you gun laws and crime rate are indeed causally related to each other, it is likely that the conclusion cannot be simply generalised to other countries due to the fudamental differences in the structure, economicsculture and so on.

thus, i remain neutral.


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