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Please, this thread is for discussing the shootings in Connecticut, go make a thread in the politics forums if you want to talk about gun control.

At 12/15/12 12:57 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 12/15/12 12:54 PM, Dragen wrote: Please, this thread is for discussing the shootings in Connecticut, go make a thread in the politics forums if you want to talk about gun control.

already a thread for it.

Exactly. That's just even more of a reason why you don't need to discuss it here.

Not sure what's so confusing about this to anyone who replied to my earlier post. Correlation does suggest causation, even if it doesn't imply it. All data is about correlations. Anyone who has taken basic statistics should know this.

There pretty much isn't any debate about this. Data collected yesterday by the Washington Post suggests a pretty clear correlation between gun control in both the US and Europe and reduced gun crime. Period. There's no debate here. All arguments made to the contrary are preempted by the data presented.

yeah, whatever. i like to believe that the sun rises from the east because of me. i wake up early in the morning and pray to god. my success rate is 100%.

it is okay to make claims based on correlation. but i guess i am more interested in the exact mechanism and further evidence instead.

Damn. Every month all we get is bad news and this is by far the worst. My heart goes out to those people.

I'm about an hour drive from where this all happened (Not that it makes me special or anything, since nobody I know was effected) and a lot of people in Connecticut are freaking out right now. I was very sad and kind of numb to the whole situation.

Despite it being a possibility that things like these can always happen, I think now would be a good time to increase any budget for mental health care.

Killing kids that age is so fucking twisted oh my god it makes me actually sick and I want to hug my little brother so he can never leave me and go into this shitty world

fuck you

At 12/15/12 11:29 AM, thecoolkillerwhale wrote: What drives people to do such things?

We always ask these things when events like this happens. Just like James Holmes we don't know what his motive was. So the maniac who killed his own mom and the kids and killed himself will probably never have a good explanation.

The person who did this is fucked up in the head. Why would you do something like that? Kill innocent children..... oh my God.

At 12/15/12 01:56 PM, i-am-ghey wrote: yeah, whatever. i like to believe that the sun rises from the east because of me. i wake up early in the morning and pray to god. my success rate is 100%.

You don't believe that because there is not sufficient correlation. Perform an experiment where you take a hypothesized action that causes the sun to rise and perform that action one day, then perform a different action another day. The data will clearly show no correlation between your action and the sun rising

Why didn't he think of the children?

The only hero of that day was this lady who died.

At 12/15/12 01:03 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: mah freedumz and to be able to take apart their whole arguement and make them look like idiots is satisfying.

Yes but that's the opposite of what you're actually doing, as usual.

At 12/15/12 02:14 PM, Bolo wrote: You don't believe that because there is not sufficient correlation. Perform an experiment where you take a hypothesized action that causes the sun to rise and perform that action one day, then perform a different action another day. The data will clearly show no correlation between your action and the sun rising

i can give you a better example.

let's say B, C are biproducts of A. indeed, it is resonable to say there are situations where B, C are correlated with one another if left alone but there might not be causal relation between B and C. (changing C does not affect B)

Eh, human life isn't worth very much nowadays. Those kids aren't missing anything too special. People are just really butt-hurt about this subject and it's fucking hilarious how big of vaginas some people are. The whole shooting is more about the survivors rather than the deceased because of the media and how they like to milk things like this for all the viewers they can. Humans, whether they realize it or not, are more responsive to tragedy than to successes.

At 12/15/12 02:20 PM, YellowisCOOL wrote: The only hero of that day was this lady who died.

Here's what I don't get.

When I was in elementary school, we had a cop, sometimes 2 on campus most of the time.

We also had Code Blue (Code Red was tornadoes, Code Yellow was severe weather/thunderstorms, etc), in which all lights in the school were turned off, classroom doors were locked, windows closed, and all the kids hid under their desk.

I wonder if this school had something similar and if not, why wasn't it implemented...

At 12/15/12 03:34 PM, LemonCrush wrote: We also had Code Blue (Code Red was tornadoes, Code Yellow was severe weather/thunderstorms, etc), in which all lights in the school were turned off, classroom doors were locked, windows closed, and all the kids hid under their desk.

I wonder if this school had something similar and if not, why wasn't it implemented...

Do you really think an elementary school in Connecticut which is a very affluent state and not known for severe weather happening during the school year would have such a policy implemented before this event took place? I know it's good to be prepared for everything and what not but i looked at the demographics and median income figures for the town which the shooting took place and it's a place you'd never think a school shooting would take place and i doubt the administrators thought differently thus not thinking it's necessary to implement such a policy.

At 12/14/12 01:11 PM, MikeyS9607 wrote: I bet everyone will blame it on the internet and cyber bullying or violent video games.

Nope, they want to ban guns, which will obviously not work due to the 2nd Amendment.

At 12/15/12 03:03 PM, Piggler wrote: Eh, human life isn't worth very much nowadays. Those kids aren't missing anything too special. People are just really butt-hurt about this subject and it's fucking hilarious how big of vaginas some people are. The whole shooting is more about the survivors rather than the deceased because of the media and how they like to milk things like this for all the viewers they can. Humans, whether they realize it or not, are more responsive to tragedy than to successes.

Its this type of negativity that leads to shit like this. People need to step back and look at the big picture here; WE CAN stop this if we truly want to, too many people choose to have no faith. Without faith there's no hope. Where there's no hope there's death.....

This is a time we need to put everything aside and appreciate what God gave us... Family, Love, Life.....

Ok, this thread is just terrible. It's probably one of the most retarded threads to come through general in a very long time, and despite the capacity for retardedness in here, you have all completely disappointed me.

Tragedies are gonna happen. They always have, and they always will, nothing nor no one can stop them. This is terrible, and I feel sorry for all the people affected, but I at least realize that the only, only thing at fault is the person who did it. He used a gun, but it's not the guns fault, and it's not the fault of gun distribution.

If you ban all guns, then you end up in a situation where the only people who can get guns are hardened criminals who intend to use them against other people, and people like me who just genuinely love guns have nothing. The only reason the tragedy rate in America is so high is because we have a mass concentration of psychopaths and criminals. Because of our society, we raise desensitized maniacs and insane freaks everywhere, and banning guns would do NOTHING but make it so they're the only people with guns.

So, shut the living fucking hell up about guns, shut the fuck up about banning shit in response to an isolated tragedy, and realize that shit happens, and fucking other shit up will only make more shit.

God fucking damnit, thank fucking god that we have a republican senate and the NRA.

At 12/15/12 04:59 PM, Xenomit wrote: Ok, this thread is just terrible.

But the USA has the highest gun related crime rate in the world? Even in countries where people illegally get guns they don't use them nearly as often as Americans.

At least in the attack on the school in China nobody died, and its alot easier to kill with a gun in the hands of crazy ppl than it is with something like a knife. Why does America need such a large percent of the world's guns anyway?

I had a feeling that this story would bring up the whole issue of gun control. Might even be a history-making event regarding the 2nd Amendment.

At 12/15/12 05:06 PM, PrincessRanicorn wrote: But the USA has the highest gun related crime rate in the world? Even in countries where people illegally get guns they don't use them nearly as often as Americans.

And if you ban guns, then not only will true criminals still be able to get them, but the average citizen won't have anything to protect themselves with.

At least in the attack on the school in China nobody died, and its alot easier to kill with a gun in the hands of crazy ppl than it is with something like a knife.

There's way more than knifes.

Would you really wanna take guns from psychopaths just so they can use even more deadly improvised explosives?

Why does America need such a large percent of the world's guns anyway?

When someone invades our country (which will happen sooner or later, pretty much every other country on the planet hates us) about 70% of every citizen will be able to protect themselves. America will have not only the strongest and most advanced military in the world defending it, but also about 100 million gun owners ready to stand for their country as well.

Come fuck with us.

At 12/15/12 05:10 PM, Xenomit wrote: And if you ban guns, then not only will true criminals still be able to get them, but the average citizen won't have anything to protect themselves with.

But in countries where there's gun control there's a lot less gun crimes being committed? Usually spree killers in America buy guns, they're not usually criminals who do it for a living but crazy people that need an outlet and have an easy way to harm other people because American laws make it easy for them.

There's way more than knifes.

Duh

Would you really wanna take guns from psychopaths just so they can use even more deadly improvised explosives?

Or you could make health care free like in most countries so crazy psychos can get help and not need to kill little kids.

When someone invades our country (which will happen sooner or later, pretty much every other country on the planet hates us) about 70% of every citizen will be able to protect themselves. America will have not only the strongest and most advanced military in the world defending it, but also about 100 million gun owners ready to stand for their country as well.

I don't think anyone is going to invade your country, you put a lot of your country's money into the army so why allow access to guns to so many crazy people? Aren't you in a war now to stop people from going to your country and hurting you?

Come fuck with us.

No thanks.

At 12/15/12 05:18 PM, PrincessRanicorn wrote: But in countries where there's gun control there's a lot less gun crimes being committed? Usually spree killers in America buy guns

Actually they usually get their guns from other people

they're not usually criminals who do it for a living but crazy people that need an outlet and have an easy way to harm other people because American laws make it easy for them.

Duh

There's way more than knifes.

Duh

Well then stop stating the obvious

Or you could make health care free like in most countries so crazy psychos can get help and not need to kill little kids.

Or you could realize that you usually can't tell a psychopath from a normal person. All the biggest serial killers in american history showed no signs of being a psychopath, but then go out and kill 30 people and hang their bodies in a basement.

I don't think anyone is going to invade your country

Ok, nice opinion

you put a lot of your country's money into the army so why allow access to guns to so many crazy people?

We don't allow gun access to crazy people, we allow guns to civilians. Now stop being a massive ignorant fool, and learn some shit about something before you base an opinion on it.

Aren't you in a war now to stop people from going to your country and hurting you?

What the fucking hell does that have to do with anything? All that means is that if the military fails, then millions of people will be armed and ready to defend themselves

Come fuck with us.

No thanks.

Then shut the fuck up. Holy fucking hell you people are retarded as shit.

As I said, tragedies happen, and nothing is gonna stop them. Getting rid of guns will only cause more damage, and it makes me feel safe that we have so many people willing to defend the right to own a gun.

At 12/15/12 05:25 PM, Xenomit wrote:

At 12/15/12 05:18 PM, PrincessRanicorn wrote:

Actually they usually get their guns from other people

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-04-19/us/gun.laws_1_gun-dealer-
gun-laws-gun-buyers?_s=PM:US
I dont think theres a statistic but it seems to be pretty easy for anyone to get a gun in America. Even introverts who dont have redneck friends to borrow them from dont need to try that hard.

Duh

And you're ohk with american laws making getting guns easy for anyone?

Well then stop stating the obvious

"theres way more than knives" was your statement?

Or you could realize that you usually can't tell a psychopath from a normal person. All the biggest serial killers in american history showed no signs of being a psychopath, but then go out and kill 30 people and hang their bodies in a basement.

So unless someone is a convicted criminal in Murica or shows obvious signs of being a psycho it's pretty easy for them to get a gun?

We don't allow gun access to crazy people, we allow guns to civilians. Now stop being a massive ignorant fool, and learn some shit about something before you base an opinion on it.

You say that as if American civilians can't be totally crazy... like the civilian that just walked into an elementary school and shot 27 people for no reason.

What the fucking hell does that have to do with anything? All that means is that if the military fails, then millions of people will be armed and ready to defend themselves

Why make such a huge investment in something you have no faith in? Why arm millions of people despite all the risk?

Then shut the fuck up. Holy fucking hell you people are retarded as shit.

I'm retarded for not wanting to invade your country? What?

As I said, tragedies happen, and nothing is gonna stop them. Getting rid of guns will only cause more damage, and it makes me feel safe that we have so many people willing to defend the right to own a gun.

I don't think most American children feel safe so much as going to school now.