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At 12/9/12 05:33 PM, orangebomb wrote:

At 12/9/12 03:25 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 12/9/12 11:41 AM, Dawnslayer wrote:

Orangebomb ....there was a Canada, been Europeans here since the 16th century,

Canada wasn't a country until 1857. Before the British settled in Canada, it was largely disorganized Indian tribes that ruled over the place, and before the British, the Vikings settled in Canada, but didn't stay that long.

WRONG
Upper & Lower Canada existed long before the Country of Canada dipstick

Never forget the people colonizing the American Continent were mostly coming from European nations to both Canada & the American States.

Thanks for the history lesson Captain Obvious, everyone knows that.

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Really ?
Most Americans are completely oblivious tot he obvious, part of the reason so many of your rights have been taken away & so few of you even realises it yet !

America didn't start them & only participated later in them. I never said at all , that all wars were caused by Ameican Politicals. :

Except that it's not illegal, and we don't go around bombing other countries for shit and giggles like you want to think. There is a good reason why we do what we do, and it's not like other countries don't do this too. Just look at Britain, France, the former Soviet Union and so on, they had forces in other countries too over the last 75 years or so, why don't you complain about those guys?

Iraq, invaded for absolutely no reason EXCEPT TO STEAL THEIR OIL.
Lybia after 40 years as a Dictator, THe USA helps rid the place of Gaddafy, why ? for the Lybian supply of gold kept in Britian, & Gaddafy's continued attempts to form an African Union similar the The Euro. With its own currency to rivl the US dollar.
Afghanistan, invade a landlocked country was for shits & giggles... they sure as hell weren't a credible threat to America ...hell most of the people not only couldn't point out America on a map they couldn't even read !

That is the problem the USA taking it upon itself to blow up who ever they are disagreeing with this week.

Once again, we don't go around picking a fight with other countries that disagree with us. I don't know where you're getting all this, but I know you are dead wrong.

Are you living under a rock ?
You really need to look around , actually you don't have to look far check out the country just barely south of you ...Cuba !
Talk about swatting at a fly with a hammer ...tyr more like swatting a fly with a nuclear strike force ! ! !

NATO thankfully hasn't been falling for American Bullshit lately, & hasn't simply been rubberstamping whatever invasion is next on the American War Machine list of targets. IF it had, there is no doubt in my mind Iran & Syria would already have American troops there as opposed to just backing hte terrorists there.

Ok, you said earlier that NATO is mostly America, and now you say that NATO is more than America now, which is it? Plus, we aren't planning on invading Iran or Syria, dipshit. Once again, we don't go around picking fights with other countries unless we have solid evidence that they are a threat against us.

You need to pay more attention to what yoer politicians are saying they want dudw & invading Iran is BIG on their list !

Funny how when they are against American policy they are terrorists ...when they are supported by America ....they are Freedom Fighters.

It's also quite funny that they were mostly supported by a rich Saudi nobleman that was connected with many other terrorist attacks all over the world. Never mind the fact that there was a civil war in Afghanistan after the Soviets left and the hardcore fundamentalists took control, can't really blame us on that happening.

Well I look at the Taliban, funded & trained by the CIA & used to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.... America was the reason they were as successful as they were . Now they are terrorists & America never brings the fact they were created by you !

Except that everyone with a brain knows that now, it's common knowledge that we did train a segment of rebels in Afghanistan to fight the Soviet invasion, and after that, there was a civil war and just so happens that some of them went rogue and joined the Taliban, shit happens.

Funny ole world, ain't it ?!?

It's actually quite funny on how you are always wrong.

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LMFAO
Go watch a FOX broadcast ...obviously where you get all your knowledge !

At 12/10/12 07:42 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 12/9/12 05:33 PM, orangebomb wrote:

At 12/9/12 03:25 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 12/9/12 11:41 AM, Dawnslayer wrote:

WRONG
Upper & Lower Canada existed long before the Country of Canada dipstick

Same difference, dipshit.

Really ?
Most Americans are completely oblivious tot he obvious, part of the reason so many of your rights have been taken away & so few of you even realises it yet !

Dude, it's call spell check, fucking use it for once, lest you come off as a bigger dumbass then you already are.

Seriously, are rights are not being taken away, and to say it is comes off as completely ignorant and wrong. Clearly you know nothing about what goes on with America apart from ultra liberal bias, so I suggest you stop lying to you and all of us, and don't act like you know you know everything from the sidelines.

"our freedoms being taken away" statement needs to die, because it's not true. It's to the point where it's a broken record of this myth constantly being dispelled over and over again.

Except that it's not illegal, and we don't go around bombing other countries for shit and giggles like you want to think. There is a good reason why we do what we do, and it's not like other countries don't do this too. Just look at Britain, France, the former Soviet Union and so on, they had forces in other countries too over the last 75 years or so, why don't you complain about those guys?

Iraq, invaded for absolutely no reason EXCEPT TO STEAL THEIR OIL.

Oh, so you must think we made up all of Saddam's little antics during his reign then, I take it? There was creditable evidence that Saddam had WMD's at the time, because he used them before against the Kurds. The oil excuse is simply a cop out and a case of convenience for the politically ignorant to speak against the war.

Lybia after 40 years as a Dictator, THe USA helps rid the place of Gaddafy, why ? for the Lybian supply of gold kept in Britian, & Gaddafy's continued attempts to form an African Union similar the The Euro. With its own currency to rivl the US dollar.

I don't recall anything about invading Libya for their gold or African Union or whatever bullshit you're thinking of, besides, it was Britain, France and the Libyan rebels that did all the heavy lifting, we only provide some support. You shouldn't be listening to whatever insane ramblings of a power mad dictator has to say.

Afghanistan, invade a landlocked country was for shits & giggles... they sure as hell weren't a credible threat to America ...hell most of the people not only couldn't point out America on a map they couldn't even read !

Does Osama Bin Laden ring a bell to you? It's not like we could leave them alone now. We had a purpose for Afghanistan, which was to get to OBL and to seize control from the Taliban, which we did.

And what does people not finding America on a map have to do with anything, apart from them being mostly sheltered from the outside world and poorly educated? That's right, nothing.

Are you living under a rock ?

No, you are with your tinfoil hat.

You really need to look around , actually you don't have to look far check out the country just barely south of you ...Cuba !

What about Cuba? We're not fighting them, we have an embargo against them. Last time I checked, that's between them and us, not you.

Talk about swatting at a fly with a hammer ...tyr more like swatting a fly with a nuclear strike force ! ! !

Bad analogy.

Ok, you said earlier that NATO is mostly America, and now you say that NATO is more than America now, which is it? Plus, we aren't planning on invading Iran or Syria, dipshit. Once again, we don't go around picking fights with other countries unless we have solid evidence that they are a threat against us.

You need to pay more attention to what yoer politicians are saying they want dudw & invading Iran is BIG on their list !

Only the hardcore politicians want to invade Iran, which is a rather small minority. Stop trying to lump us in with a select few, and get your head out of your ass.

LMFAO
Go watch a FOX broadcast ...obviously where you get all your knowledge !

I don't get this knowledge from Fox dumbass. Oh, I would like to know where do you procure your American bashing bullshit ideology from other than your brain.

At 12/10/12 10:51 PM, orangebomb wrote:

the Country of Canada dipstick

Same difference, dipshit.

SO you break ou thte insults ...a dip stick is actually useful ...you not so much !

Really ?
Most Americans are completely oblivious tot he obvious, part of the reason so many of your rights have been taken away & so few of you even realises it yet !

Dude, it's call spell check, fucking use it for once, lest you come off as a bigger dumbass then you already are.

Seriously, are rights are not

Hey Dipshit !
It called proper GRAMMAR !
You know as in "Seriously, OUR rights are not ...":
You wanna be a grammer nazi.
I personally aspire to be a member of the Grammar SS

Iraq, invaded for absolutely no reason EXCEPT TO STEAL THEIR OIL.

Oh, so you must think we made up all of Saddam's little antics during his reign then, I take it? There was creditable evidence that Saddam had WMD's at the time, because he used them before against the Kurds. The oil excuse is simply a cop out and a case of convenience for the politically ignorant to speak against the war.

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How did you know they had chemicla weapons ...Oh right I forgot ....Your country sold them to them ! ! ! HEy DIpshit , why didn't you include that in yer post ? ? ? ? ?
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0908-08.htm

Lybia after 40 years as a Dictator, :

I don't recall anything

Of course you don't you need to be PAYING ATTENTION to have learned anything about what's really going on !

Does Osama Bin Laden ring a bell to you? It's not like we could leave them alone now. We had a purpose for Afghanistan, which was to get to OBL and to seize control from the Taliban, which we did.

Oh, you mean ther boogie man, the man who supposedly brought down the Twin towers ... too much bullshit there to be believed. same as the pentagon a plane that was supposed to be millimeters off the ground & hit the building !
& then all the pieces of the aircraft disappeared ! ! ! !
http://thewebfairy.com/nerdcities/Hufschmid/PentagonPlaneCra sh.html
Dude I live less than 10 miles from Halifax International Airport & I went to the site of this crash .
http://www.iasa.com.au/folders/Safety_Issues/dfdr-cvr/MK747f halifax.html
Notice in the photo's .... WRECKAGE ! huge pieces of fuselage, they found the jet engines ! (the ones from the plane that supposedly hit the pentagon were 9 feet wide), yet they were never found ! & yes I realise the 747 is a bigger airplane than the 757, it still doesn't explain the lack of landing gear.
THe lack of Jet engines, the complete lack on any fuselage parts.

Are you living under a rock ?

No, you are with your tinfoil hat.

You really need to look around , actually you don't have to look far check out the country just barely south of you ...Cuba !

What about Cuba? We're not fighting them, we have an embargo against them. Last time I checked, that's between them and us, not you.

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You forgot to mention the prison you closed there...OH WAIT ...that was Obamma's PROMISE when he fist got elected to close Guantanamo Bay ...here we are into his 2nd term & Guantanamo still in operation still holding prisoners, untried , uncharged unsentenced prisoners. Isn't you rights & freedoms a wonderful concept. Too bad they are only an illusion & not in practice.

At 12/11/12 10:23 AM, Ceratisa wrote: I'm confused are you suggesting the CIA didn't commonly train elements to resist Soviet forces.

The counter factual is so deep, there's a large possibility the Soviet Union may never have existed, or if it did, may hve last only a few years. Germany was still making military advances on Russia in 1918, close to a year after the US enered. Without the possibility of near endless streams of United States Men flooding into the Western Front, it is quite likely that Germany would have continued or resumed its advances in Russia.

In World War II, the United States contributed to the stall of the offense in Russia, the retreat, and the inability to stop the Russian offensive. The early flood of American Bombers and airmen allowed for the near constant bombing of German factories, which was a contributing factor in the supply linesbreaking down during Operation Barbarossa. The Britih alone would have still bombed without US support, but the accuracy (due to the British policy of solely using night time raids), size, and frequency would have been significantly smaller, thus making it very possibile the effect would not have been achieved. The US' speed and pure numbers in its assaults on Italy and Normandy kept the Germans from mounting any worthwhile defensive or counter attack to the Soviet offense. Mointgomery was notoriously slow moving (must've been aiming for another 100 Years War) and the size of the commonwealth armies, alone, was not enough to start or sustain either campaign. With the Western resources freed up the Germans likely would have been able to stall the Soviet advance, and even begin to push back once the Tigers, Panthers, and 262s went into full (lightly bombed) production.

Then again, this assumes that the absence of the US from 1776 to WWI and WWII would have very little effect on the trajectory of world affairs.

I must comment on how in depth things got, it started with a simple question and people brought up very notable points and very thoughtful ideas of a world without U.S.A.

I thank you all for giving your opinions, pointing out facts, and more.

To be honest what really made me think of a world without U.S.A was reading stuff about how other places didnt like or hated America and I just thought "If there was never a America to begin with then what would they all do then and now?".

Great work on recreating the present that did not have America and creaing new history based on possible outcomes from past events. Some may have not had all the info there to remake a new present without said country but at least they tried so I even thank the ones that may have gotten their facts wrong.

Yes I did ment the country of America not the geography and pleanty of people hit the nail on the head so great work there too.

Who knows honestly? There is just too much missing history here from a country that has changed the world in a huge way to even speculate. The allies would have won WW1 still but it would have been even more drawn out, and if there was a WW2 the allies would have still won that as well. The Soviet Union would have taken complete control Germany and Eastern Europe and also would have made Japan a socialist state once they were defeated.

Then, socialism would have spread more and the USSR would more than likely still be around today with nobody to oppose them.

At 12/8/12 02:13 AM, fmn335 wrote: What would the world be like if the U.S.A never was created?

Shit.

At 12/10/12 03:38 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

Less Fascist and more skinny !

Look up fascism

Then England would have more population and then many American ideas is based from Europe.

At 12/12/12 09:08 PM, LemonCrush wrote:

At 12/10/12 03:38 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

Less Fascist and more skinny !

Look up fascism

I did it had a picture of the American flag.

At 12/13/12 08:08 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: I did it had a picture of the American flag.

I think your internet is broken.

At 12/14/12 12:13 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 12/13/12 08:08 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: I did it had a picture of the American flag.

I think your internet is broken.

It's the same one you got LOL.

At 12/13/12 08:08 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: I did it had a picture of the American flag.

Dude, America doesn't even fit YOUR definition of fascism.

At 12/14/12 12:05 PM, LemonCrush wrote:

At 12/13/12 08:08 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: I did it had a picture of the American flag.

Dude, America doesn't even fit YOUR definition of fascism.

The real issue is his definition of "America"

I'm enjoying Camarohusky's no-soviet historical line. However, even if the Soviets are defeated in WWII, I have a hard time believing that the Russians would simply disappear from 20th century history. (and Ukrainians, Belarussians, Kazakhs, etc)

The key factor in the fate of alternate-WWII would likely have been the winner of the race for the atomic bomb. With USA out of the picture, the war could have stagnated until Germany, Russia, Japan or Britain/France had developed and deployed a nuclear weapon. In our time-line, Russia was second after the USA to create nukes, but Germany and Japan were also trying until they lost. Either one side developed it fast enough to obliterate its opposition or both sides developed it close enough to each to bring about mutually ensured annihilation, which results in either nuclear winter and the near extinction of mankind and modern civilization, or just the extinction of the northern hemisphere, leaving the future of the world in the hands of South America, Africa, Middle East, India, Indo-China and Australia-Oceania.

And here's something I just realized: If no USA means no Allied Victory, then there's no Israel.

There would be no "Avatar" or "Titanic", so what would be the highest grossing movies in the world? Probably some Bollywood films like "3 Idiots" (yes, I have done my research to find out what Indian movies made the most money). I just rarely see non American movies being the highest grossing in the entire world. There'd be no "Star Wars" and nerds might not even exist.

At 12/15/12 10:22 AM, Ericho wrote: There would be no "Avatar" or "Titanic", so what would be the highest grossing movies in the world? Probably some Bollywood films like "3 Idiots" (yes, I have done my research to find out what Indian movies made the most money). I just rarely see non American movies being the highest grossing in the entire world. There'd be no "Star Wars" and nerds might not even exist.

No electricity either. Not only would there not be star wars. There'd be no movies of any kind :)

At 12/15/12 11:32 AM, LemonCrush wrote: No electricity either. Not only would there not be star wars. There'd be no movies of any kind :)

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WRONG !
http://www.tech-faq.com/who-invented-electricity.html
Electricity was known & recorded for hundreds of years before any European even came to North America.
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blmotionpicture s.htm
Their were these people called the French & they along with many others were working on motion picture photography ...so You Are Wrong.

As to Star Wars etc. Just because America existed , its nonexistence doesn't mean Benjamin Franklyn wouldn't have lived & made his discoveries. Or Edison , Tesla , Westinghouse, Bell etc ! SO it is possible Lucas would have still crerated Star Wars ~;p

At 12/16/12 09:32 AM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 12/15/12 11:32 AM, LemonCrush wrote: No electricity either. Not only would there not be star wars. There'd be no movies of any kind :)

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WRONG !
http://www.tech-faq.com/who-invented-electricity.html
Electricity was known & recorded for hundreds of years before any European even came to North America.
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blmotionpicture s.htm
Their were these people called the French & they along with many others were working on motion picture photography ...so You Are Wrong.

Of course electricity has been known. It's been known since ancient mesopotamia. However, I don't see any evidence of the Egyptians or Mesapotamians giant skyscrapers or electric lights.

Ah yes. Nikola Tesla, Thomas Edison and Westinghouse. Titans of French engineering.

Give me a break.

Sorry, you're wrong. It was Americans, and American ingenuity that made electricity what it is, and therefore made the world what it is. Now I know it's hip and cool to for everyone in the world to hate America (despite us paying for all your militaries and giving you billions in aid), but fact is, America made the world what it is.

Dicking around with static does not equal electrical discovery. History recognizes those who take an idea and actually go places with it, not those who originate the idea.

Case in point is Mickey Mouse NOT created by Walt Disney. But who was the one that turned it into a world-wide phenomena. McDonald's, NOT started by Ray Croc. But Ray Croc had the sense to make it into something.

Sure the French were dicking around with machines and toys, but that's hardly revolutionary.

At 12/16/12 11:50 AM, LemonCrush wrote: Of course electricity has been known. It's been known since ancient mesopotamia. However, I don't see any evidence of the Egyptians or Mesapotamians giant skyscrapers or electric lights.

Ah yes. Nikola Tesla, Thomas Edison and Westinghouse. Titans of French engineering.

;;; Way to tweist what I wrote into gibberish, never said they were French
SAID THAT MOTION PICTURES were being shown by French, before Americans were even involved.... attempting to put words in my mouth or twisting what I wrote just makes you look like a dick !
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Never said they were.... I said that OTHERS were already working on the same thing. So were Russians, British .....

IF you even know what you are taling about Edison Pushed & IMO unfortunately lost his bid to make DC power the electricity everyone would use in their home ...but your great inventor Lost out to Other Inventors work ! ! ! !

Sorry, you're wrong. It was Americans, and American ingenuity that made electricity what it is, and therefore made the world what it is.

As well Henry Woodward & Mathew Evans , 2 Canadians patented the incandescent light bulb ... as well as a host of other english & Europena inventors were working on the idea !Edison perfected their invention ...HE DID NOT INVENT IT !
As well Edison lost to Westinghouses Idea's on AC power & we are dealing with that today, lower voltage DC is a better way, Westinghouses ideas on huge power generation facilities being able to transmit that power over large distances won out.
But with todays technology stepping down 120 to 12 & 24 volt systems is all we need to do.
IF more of our electric toys ran on 12 volt, fridges, stoves, tools pumps etc could be powered much easier by solar & wind generated systems manufactured by home owners . THe appliances being mass produced for the 120v market is why the 12v appliances are as expensive as they are ...So Edison while being right in his ideas, lost to Westinghouse because of ease of transportation on high voltage power then & now .

Dicking around with static does not equal electrical discovery. History recognizes those who take an idea and actually go places with it, not those who originate the idea.


Sure the French were dicking around with machines and toys, but that's hardly revolutionary.

Yer a funny guy ...no one elses contribution means anything it was all American invention ....thank god America invented the Sun !
FUCK knows where we'd be today without that !

At 12/16/12 12:23 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

:Edison perfected their invention ...HE DID NOT INVENT IT !

Exactly my entire point. The rest of your post is irrelevant because you're bringing up things I ddin't even mention...

This is, son, that America DID bring electricity to the world. We did perfect the technology of electricity, and many other things the world would suck without (cars, airplanes, etc).

It's funny how many countries love to discredit us and our contributions, yet we're always the first place you turn when you need money, or support from a natural disaster, or need us to kill poeple for you.

At 12/16/12 02:54 PM, LemonCrush wrote: Exactly my entire point. The rest of your post is irrelevant because you're bringing up things I ddin't even mention...

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http://www.wisegeek.org/who-discovered-electricity.htm

, if you actually paid attention to the subject, you'd know Edison imporoved & worked on many things & ideas put forward BY OTHERS !

THAT IN NO WAY , TAKES AWAY IMO from Edison's work ....BUT IF HE DIDN'T DO IT.....Someone else would have !

At 12/17/12 09:01 AM, morefngdbs wrote: , if you actually paid attention to the subject, you'd know Edison imporoved & worked on many things & ideas put forward BY OTHERS !

This applies to most of the biggest enterprises on the planet. Disney, McDonalds, the airline industry, the farming industry, you name it.

THAT IN NO WAY , TAKES AWAY IMO from Edison's work ....BUT IF HE DIDN'T DO IT.....Someone else would have !

But they didn't, did they.

Well then I suppose who ever ruled this fertile land will call the shots today. Assuming if who ever ruled the land could keep it for the last few hundred years. As into what who knows. Hatred and happiness is too unpredictable despite changes in culture or oddly enough economics at rare moments.

Then again...without diversity in culture can hinder progress. Plus certain factors are still in play. If we the U.S didn't win the war. Another outbreak could have took it's place, with whatever philosophy imaginable. A new nation may have been inevitable. Causing a new chain of events.

Or maybe more than one nation could have resulted, or maybe less nations in the Americas. Comparing what happen over two hundred years ago is history. Doesn't much affect the present without complicating a imaginative past.

No plane, no cellphone, etc.

If the USA never exists ? Israel will never exist

The two Korea will never exist

Lubamba will be alived

The Dictatorship in Greece will never exist

All the Dictators in South America will never take the power

Cyprus will never be divided

Japan will never be nuked

Iran would be a free democracy because the president was killed by the CIA

Afghanistan will never be managed by Talibans

Bin Laden will never exist ...

Yes, the World will be a paradise

At 12/23/12 07:08 PM, Susanowoo wrote: Yes, the World will be a paradise

Sorry there, frog, only one of those things you listed can be directly tied to American actions and nothing else. That is the existence of 2 Koreas. Everything else was more a product of regional geopolitics than American intervention.

What you, LePew, also forget is that America didn't just rise to power in spite of history. America filled a void created by the fall of other powers. In other words, somebody would have filled that void and acted in a global self interest either way. Frankly, the existence of the US ensured relative peace for the Western Hemisphere since the creation of the country. Less than 10 wars in close to 250 years is a fuck-shit-times-1000-load better than those accross the pond have done in the past 100 years. That includes 4 wars trying to rid our peaceful continent of the greedy Europeans. Imagine how bad this place would be if the Euros had kept control and decided to make it their personal war-games playland (just like Africa and SE Asia).

Watching the Euros try to claim the US is so evil whilst sitting atop their millenia of torture and oppression, not to mention their insatiable fetish for war, is nothing but pure hilarity.

In every continents around the World (As France too) the USA created some conflicts in order to make profits. Saddam Hussein was a creation of the USA, Israel the error of the History was created to control american interests in Middle East, Gloria Arroyo this ex-Dictator of the Philippines was supported by the USA in order to control the pacific, all the worsts dictatorships of the Middle East as KSA, UAE , Koweit are protected and supported by the USA.

Lubamba who was a free democrat who wants peace in his country was killed by the CIA... Do you need more examples ? France and America worked together to give knives and fire weapons to the 2 sides who were in war.

In Haiti , they support Dictatorshop a long time Mister Jean-Bertrand Aristide (with the help of France), In central American as Salvador , they supported the Dictatorship, same in Brazil, Pinochet in Chile...

You should probably read the book called " Open Veins of Latin America " of Eduardo Galeano

America supported the Dictatorship in Greece and Portugal, they help Turkey to invade Cyprus.

America, France or the others , they don't care of democracy or liberties... Tthey just protect their interests and if they need to change the leader of a country to get his oil , they will do it.

I'm French and you will never read from some nice words about the behave of my country , us French we have blood in our hands too.

So , the " frog " wanna tell you that you should learn something " be objective with yourself "

At 12/24/12 12:50 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 12/23/12 07:08 PM, Susanowoo wrote: Yes, the World will be a paradise

Sorry there, frog, only one of those things you listed can be directly tied to American actions and nothing else. That is the existence of 2 Koreas. Everything else was more a product of regional geopolitics than American intervention.

What you, LePew, also forget is that America didn't just rise to power in spite of history. America filled a void created by the fall of other powers. In other words, somebody would have filled that void and acted in a global self interest either way. Frankly, the existence of the US ensured relative peace for the Western Hemisphere since the creation of the country. Less than 10 wars in close to 250 years is a fuck-shit-times-1000-load better than those accross the pond have done in the past 100 years. That includes 4 wars trying to rid our peaceful continent of the greedy Europeans. Imagine how bad this place would be if the Euros had kept control and decided to make it their personal war-games playland (just like Africa and SE Asia).

Watching the Euros try to claim the US is so evil whilst sitting atop their millenia of torture and oppression, not to mention their insatiable fetish for war, is nothing but pure hilarity.

At 12/26/12 09:45 AM, Susanowoo wrote: In every continents around the World (As France too) the USA created some conflicts in order to make profits.

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I believe yer forgettin' a bit of the history there suzyQ

http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch17jeru.html

At 12/26/12 09:45 AM, Susanowoo wrote: In every continents around the World (As France too) the USA created some conflicts in order to make profits.

That's not wrong. I will never say the US has clean hands. However, it's the higest of naivete to believe that without the US someone else, if not numerous someone elses wouldn't be doing the same thing. My point, was that unlike European powers, the US has at least been able to largely pacify an entire hemishpere. Had the European powers stll controlled North America (a strong possibility) then there would be as much war in the Western Hemisphere as there is in the Eastern Hemishpere, which has been at near constant war for thousands of years (even if you exchange 'Eastern Hemisphere' for 'Europe').