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At 12/5/12 10:02 PM, mothballs wrote:

This is probably the most ignorant thing I've heard. What makes one life more important over another life? Every life has the same amount of feelings and should be cared for equally. Basically you're saying that if I'm unlucky enough to be born as an organsim that tastes good, then oh well.

If that's the case, we should protest against farmers genetically enhancing plants and drowning them in pesticides. It is impossible to grow tomatoes in the wild due to how much we fucked them up. Hell, why not just live off photosynthesis?

At 12/5/12 10:02 PM, mothballs wrote: This is probably the most ignorant thing I've heard. What makes one life more important over another life? Every life has the same amount of feelings and should be cared for equally. Basically you're saying that if I'm unlucky enough to be born as an organsim that tastes good, then oh well.

Any species that isn't intelligent is sub-par.

Yes, that is correct. I am saying that any animal that is of less intelligence, is inferior to humans. Because of their inferiority, humans have literally taken over the planet. We require mass amounts of food to feed all of us, and meat is a necessity. Because we need mass amounts of meat, we don't have the time, space, or money to treat every single cow, chicken or pig like animal-royalty. Cruelness is apart of the world, and you're living in a fantasy if you think there's a way to prevent it.

At 12/5/12 09:43 PM, RacistBassist wrote: "With a strictly regulated diet that has to be carefully managed you can get all the benefits meat provides, therefore we were meant to eat only plants"-Vegetarian logic

My diet was hardly strictly regulated or managed, I just liked healthy foods and ate the things I liked. I was aware of what kinds of foods were important to eat. But it's just the same as on a meat-eating diet. A vegetarian or meat eater can eat garbage and be unhealthy. Or they can eat good nutritious foods and be healthy. No extra work really.
I could bench my body weight, I gave blood, I had high iron levels in my blood, I was totally healthy without that much effort.

Bottom line, humans were made to be able to consume plants and animals. We function just fine on a plant-based diet and do not NEED meat to survive, but for the most part we choose to eat it because it tastes good and provides nutrients. End. Quit criticizing each other, each person does what is right for him.

At 12/4/12 10:20 PM, Ilssm wrote:

So, NGers, why aren't y'all vegetarians yet?

Because it tastes so good.

This is the only argument that is needed

At 12/4/12 10:17 PM, Ononymous wrote: Meat, on the other hand, greatly harms the ecosystem

Better burn all your pets and bury them in lead coffins. Protein is just too unnatural and deadly.

gais i figurd it out

vegitarians r just peple tring to get us to eat plants so we won be strong

I'm not a vegetarian but I do find it funny how most people here are bashing vegetarianism without ever even trying it.

Give it a go, you will probably be singing a different tune even if you don't stay vegetarian.

At 12/6/12 01:00 AM, o0-0o wrote: I'm not a vegetarian but I do find it funny how most people here are bashing vegetarianism without ever even trying it.

Give it a go, you will probably be singing a different tune even if you don't stay vegetarian.

No. It is literally purely for the sake of feeling superior. It is in human nature to eat meat.

At 12/6/12 01:06 AM, Xenomit wrote:

At 12/6/12 01:00 AM, o0-0o wrote: I'm not a vegetarian but I do find it funny how most people here are bashing vegetarianism without ever even trying it.

Give it a go, you will probably be singing a different tune even if you don't stay vegetarian.

No. It is literally purely for the sake of feeling superior. It is in human nature to eat meat.

Not at the amounts we eat it.

People in this thread have done nothing but bash vegetarians for the most part, who is trying to feel superior or are people just ashamed?

At 12/6/12 01:10 AM, o0-0o wrote: People in this thread have done nothing but bash vegetarians for the most part, who is trying to feel superior or are people just ashamed?

The main reason everyone is bashing them is because OP was a stereotypical vegetarian, and is proof that vegitarianism is purely for feeling special

"So, why aren't you guys vegetarians yet? Because, you know, vegetarianism is the only way to eat."

I know a lot of vegetarians and none of them fit this stereotype.

This is totally a 'honeymoon' type behavior, whenever someone finds something new they feel they must convert everyone to it. It's not too different from someone finding a new game or whatever hobby and saying 'hey everyone try this out or you suck' type deal. Not a 'vegetarian' stereotype.

At 12/6/12 01:16 AM, o0-0o wrote: I know a lot of vegetarians and none of them fit this stereotype.

This is totally a 'honeymoon' type behavior, whenever someone finds something new they feel they must convert everyone to it. It's not too different from someone finding a new game or whatever hobby and saying 'hey everyone try this out or you suck' type deal. Not a 'vegetarian' stereotype.

Let me guess, do they also convince themselves that meat is the absolute worst thing on the planet, that grass is much better for you, ect?

Or are they the "I don't eat meat because an animal would have to die" type of vegetarian?

I honestly don't know which type is dumber than the other, so I wont go off into that.

I think arguing about this is pointless. As a vegetarian myself, I usually try to avoid meaningless discussions like this... I'm a vegetarian because it makes me feel better not eating animals. Everyone has different morals and I don't think things like this should be forced upon other people. Do I personally think it would be a more harmonious life if everyone didn't eat meat? Yes I do, but unfortunately life isn't perfect and it's not ethical to think everyone could survive doing it. Food shortages plague many places in the world, and I don't judge any of them for eating meat when they have the chance.

As for the health arguments:
First of all, you can maintain a healthy diet regardless of your personal dietary preferences. There are unhealthy vegetarians out there and there are unhealthy meat eaters out there. Simply eating meat does not ensure that you will be healthy. Unless you are a health conscious person, you are most likely going to be lacking in some nutrients. If people choose to not eat meat, they can still get all the required nutrients using alternative methods, and there are many studies that can back that up.

Second, the majority of the meat you consume in your life is probably modified and artificial anyway. Using the "natural" argument doesn't really work. Humans are wired to get a certain amount of nutrients in their diet. Where we get that is not important to the body. If everyone was eating healthy free range animals, maybe you could argue that we are missing out on an excellent source of natural nutrients, however most animals on the market have terrible, stressful lives and are being engineered to create as much meat as possible. So I personally wouldn't consider what you're eating "natural".

Unfortunately, regardless of my opinions and thoughts, you will all continue to think the way you do, and that's my point. Discussions like this rarely get anywhere and normally just make us alienate one another. Regardless of your preferences, we are all just people, and we all have different morals. It doesn't make sense to force opinions on each other. Just stick up for what you believe in and don't let society tell you how to think. Whether you are happy eating meat or not eating meat, just do what's best for you and be aware of your decision.

Most of my vegetarian friends are like Jamie.

At 12/6/12 01:44 AM, o0-0o wrote: Most of my vegetarian friends are like Jamie.

Most of my vegetarian friends are like.......oh yea i dont know any vegetarians.

hold on im off to go arrest some lions because they made a gazelle feel very anxious before they ripped his throat out and ate his flesh.

I find it hilarious that excluding OP, everyone who's ever been vegetarian in this thread posted an intelligent response and showed they accept both diets as being fine for whoever chooses them.
And most meat eaters have made idiotic defensive or aggressive posts.

no, meat is food

At 12/6/12 02:30 PM, Sensationalism wrote: And most meat eaters have made idiotic defensive or aggressive posts.

Several "meat eaters" have made rational, well-reasoned posts in this thread. You're just too blinded by your own smug self-righteousness to see it.

At 12/6/12 04:28 PM, homor wrote: Several "meat eaters" have made rational, well-reasoned posts in this thread. You're just too blinded by your own smug self-righteousness to see it.

LMFAO.

At 12/6/12 05:04 PM, Sensationalism wrote: LMFAO.

Wow, awesome retort there, i'm really eating humble pie now. "lmfao" oh shit, i can't find a single logical flaw with your biting and elaborately thought-out comeback. Ack, i am undone i say!

Har har har.

If you haven't gone at least a month of your life without eating meat, you wouldn't understand exactly why vegans and vegetarians are so opposed to associating with meat eaters. Your senses are on peak every waking moment of the day and you just feel so much healthier. Meat itself is disgusting, and people who smell like they've been eating dead animals are sickening.

At 12/6/12 05:42 PM, 24901miles wrote: If you haven't gone at least a month of your life without eating meat, you wouldn't understand exactly why vegans and vegetarians are so opposed to associating with meat eaters.

It's to feel superior

Your senses are on peak every waking moment of the day

That's because at that point, your natural instinct to obtain protein vastly raises, and your senses are elevated through several hormonal processes

In other words, your natural human instinct to eat an animal kicks in, and your brain makes it easier to find, catch and kill your prey.

and you just feel so much healthier.

Superiority complex making you think you feel healthier so that way you can justify defying nature.

Meat itself is disgusting

So you're disgusting?

and people who smell like they've been eating dead animals are sickening.

You mean that savory smell of cooked meat?

At 12/6/12 05:50 PM, Otto wrote: More and more I feel like I should be, I really do. I used to argue the side of the carnivore once; an attempt at being cool in the face of futility, but I don't care about that any more. It's about time I believed in something irrefutably good.

See? He's not even fully vegetarian and he's already got that superiority complex working for him

"So yeah man, eating meat is just generally bad, and being a vegetarian is to be a higher consciousness"

I started reading Xenomit's posts a long while ago because it's always fun to watch someone talk about shit they don't know. I kept reading because every time his house of cards falls to the ground, he pretends it's been built up another level.

At 12/6/12 05:56 PM, 24901miles wrote: I started reading Xenomit's posts a long while ago because it's always fun to watch someone talk about shit they don't know. I kept reading because every time his house of cards falls to the ground, he pretends it's been built up another level.

What do you mean? Vegetarianism is ok and everything, but it's nothing more than a smug way of saying "I'm better than you".

If you want, you could actually point out one thing I said that was wrong in that last post back there, before you make such silly accusations.

At 12/6/12 06:02 PM, Xenomit wrote: What do you mean? Vegetarianism is ok and everything, but it's nothing more than a smug way of saying "I'm better than you".

No it's not. Don't presume to say so. Of course some people do think they're better than others and try to force such things on other people, and that is bad of course. But for the majority such things are not pertained. So don't say such things. It's rather loathsome. As in, people will dislike you for saying that vegetarianism is a smug way of saying "I'm better than you".