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At 11/17/12 11:34 AM, RacistBassist wrote:

At 11/17/12 02:57 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: The thing you have to understand is that Solders are US Property and if they go against orders they will be tried and charged with treason and put in Military prison camps even if they are in the morally correct stance.

Unless they, you know, just go to one of those seceding states. Who's going to go after them? Other soldiers who might be on the seceding side?

Seceding is an abstract feel good philosophical that will never happen and further more is a media buzz campaign nothing more. If this so called Seceding were to happen it would have already. Also were and how do you think Obama will let these seceders LOL have WMDs to defend themselves with. Do you really think Obama will give them weapons ? Do you really think for a min Obama will let them have weapons ? All that is besides the point as they would need to rewrite the whole consitution before anything happened so good luck LOL.

At 11/17/12 02:57 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: The thing you have to understand is that Solders are US Property

No

:and if they go against orders they will be tried and charged with treason and put in Military prison camps even if they are in the morally correct stance.

This has been true in every revolution ever.

At 11/17/12 05:36 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: Yes it is a negative and that was the intended point as nobody can unequivocally prove or disprove that anything in Politics is quantifiabley legit.

No...what you did is a logical fallacy. You don't ask someone to disprove something you claim, you have to prove the claim. If you contend elections in the US are currently being rigged, you need to prove the rigging, not ask someone who challenges your claim to disprove the rigging.

It's all a numbers game and those with the most money win simple as that there is only the market. Money is politics directly or indirectly official or not is tantamount to corruption and will ned in cronyism.

I don't see how this relates to what I said...this looks like a fairly crappy redirect away from a claim made that you really weren't entirely savvy on and couldn't prove, so now you're trying to redirect the attention and hope to put things into a wheelhouse where we may have common ground.

Not playing. Don't make claims you can't back and we'll get along famously :)

At 11/18/12 04:59 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

No...what you did is a logical fallacy. You don't ask someone to disprove something you claim, you have to prove the claim. If you contend elections in the US are currently being rigged, you need to prove the rigging, not ask someone who challenges your claim to disprove the rigging.

NOBODY CAN PROVE OR DISPROVE ! can you ? I can't and he didn't.

At 11/17/12 04:21 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Seceding is an abstract feel good philosophical that will never happen and further more is a media buzz campaign nothing more. If this so called Seceding were to happen it would have already. Also were and how do you think Obama will let these seceders LOL have WMDs to defend themselves with. Do you really think Obama will give them weapons ? Do you really think for a min Obama will let them have weapons ? All that is besides the point as they would need to rewrite the whole consitution before anything happened so good luck LOL.

You do know that Obama isn't the one who literally has all of those things in his possession right, and that he's just the highest notch on the chain of command. If a sizeable amount of the military were to just say fuck it and leave, who's going to actually stop them? Obama wouldn't personally fly the drones or tanks, and our troops would have a hard ass time shooting at each other.

Uh, why would they need to rewrite it. Judging by the movement, they're just going to ctrl+c ctrl+v that shit and get rid of the shit they don't like