Should Quran be banned?

[Ministrel]

Consider the elements that define hate speech:
Drawing a distinction between oneâEUTMs own identity group and those outside it
Moral comparison based on this distinction
Devaluation or dehumanization of other groups and the personal superiority of one's own
The advocating of different standards of treatment based on identity group membership
A call to violence against members of other groups

The Quran definetly have everything of a hate speech, yet it is not banned. Worst, people pointing out blatant racism from muslim can be arrested for hate speech and racism. There is something very wrong going on.

Shouldn't Quran be banned because the book is hatefull?

[Iron-Hampster]

At 11/13/12 08:54 PM, Ministrel wrote: Shouldn't Quran be banned because the book is hatefull?

the irony of restricting free speech summed up in one sentence.

[thegarbear14]

no. free speech freedom of religion.

the kkk have free speech..... why not muslims?

[leanlifter1]

The sad thing here is that he does not understand that you can replace the word Qur'an and put USA in it's place and it would be all the same exact thing.

[RacistBassist]

At 11/13/12 08:57 PM, thegarbear14 wrote: the kkk have free speech..... why not muslims?

The kkk get in trouble for their hate speech though, when it becomes blatantly obvious they are calling for violence

[leanlifter1]

At 11/13/12 08:54 PM, Ministrel wrote: Consider the elements that define hate speech:
Drawing a distinction between oneâEUTMs own identity group and those outside it
Moral comparison based on this distinction
Devaluation or dehumanization of other groups and the personal superiority of one's own
The advocating of different standards of treatment based on identity group membership
A call to violence against members of other groups

The Quran definetly have everything of a hate speech, yet it is not banned. Worst, people pointing out blatant racism from muslim can be arrested for hate speech and racism. There is something very wrong going on.

Shouldn't Quran be banned because the book is hatefull?

"Should USA be banned?"

Consider the elements that define hate speech:

Drawing a distinction between USAs own identity group and those outside it
Moral comparison based on this distinction
USAs Devaluation or dehumanization of other groups and the personal superiority of one's own
The advocating of different standards of treatment based on identity group membership
A call to violence against members of other groups

The USA definitely have everything of a hate speech, yet it is not banned. Whatever this means LOL "Worst, people pointing out blatant racism from muslim can be arrested for hate speech and racism. There is something very wrong going on." abdadj????

Shouldn't USA be banned because it is hateful ?

[Dawnslayer]

At 11/13/12 08:54 PM, Ministrel wrote: Shouldn't Quran be banned because the book is hatefull?

First question: Is the Quran hateful?

[Camarohusky]

At 11/13/12 09:06 PM, RacistBassist wrote: The kkk get in trouble for their hate speech though, when it becomes blatantly obvious they are calling for violence

Actually, there is a court case that says the exact opposite. At a KKK rally the klan leader called for violence against the State. SCOTUS said that this violence was not an attempt to incite the crowd into specific and foreseeable acts of violence, but rather to add fire to the words (forgot their much better and more eloquent terminology).

For speech to be an actual incitement of violence it must be made with the specific intent of getting others to follow through with the exact words. Even then it's dicey. Many Constituional Law scholars only believe that rule was made was because the fuckwit attorney in that specific case (not dealing with the KKK) conceded that the hitman book in question intended for others to commit the crimes it outlined.

[Camarohusky]

No the Qur'an shouldn't be banned. It's a beautiful work of poetry as are all the religious texts throughout history. Just because sme crazy assholes choose to rape the words into a call for violence HARDLY means the text is evil or hateful.

[LemonCrush]

No religious text should be banned.

[Sense-Offender]

lol what?

You can't be serious. If we can ban one holy book, we can ban them all, and we can step on free speech. precedent, slippery slope, etc.

At 11/13/12 09:16 PM, Dawnslayer wrote: First question: Is the Quran hateful?

I haven't read the Quran, but I think there's a part that suggests the only absolutely guaranteed way to get into heaven is to sacrifice one's own life for the sake of the Muslim faith. And I think it suggests that the best way to do such a thing is to kill as many "infidels" as possible and die doing so.

I could be mistaken, though.

At 11/13/12 10:19 PM, WhitePowerUSA wrote:

0/10

[Ministrel]

At 11/13/12 09:20 PM, Camarohusky wrote: No the Qur'an shouldn't be banned. It's a beautiful work of poetry as are all the religious texts throughout history. Just because sme crazy assholes choose to rape the words into a call for violence HARDLY means the text is evil or hateful.

In country where they represent less than 5% of the population they represent the major part of rape agressor and justify with what the Quran say. So no, they aren't "some crazy asshole", they are "organized crazy asshole". The Quran is what give them this "hive-mind".

[Entice]

At 11/13/12 11:06 PM, Ministrel wrote: In country where they represent less than 5% of the population they represent the major part of rape agressor

Please give me a statistic that says that Muslims are significant contributors to rape in the United States.

[leanlifter1]

At 11/13/12 10:52 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: lol what?

You can't be serious. If we can ban one holy book, we can ban them all, and we can step on free speech. precedent, slippery slope, etc.

At 11/13/12 09:16 PM, Dawnslayer wrote: First question: Is the Quran hateful?

I haven't read the Quran,part that suggests the only absolutely guaranteed way to get into heaven is to sacrifice one's own life for the sake of the Muslim faith. And I think it suggests that the best way to do such a thing is to kill as many "infidels" as possible and die doing so.

I could be mistaken, though.

That was Propaganda brought on by the US War Machine and Media not the Muslim Faith. You are mistaken my friend.

[Ministrel]

At 11/13/12 11:11 PM, Entice wrote:

At 11/13/12 11:06 PM, Ministrel wrote: In country where they represent less than 5% of the population they represent the major part of rape agressor

Please give me a statistic that says that Muslims are significant contributors to rape in the United States.

No serious research where done in the Usa about this yet. Only few research statistic from research in Europe can be trusted.

[leanlifter1]

At 11/13/12 11:26 PM, Ministrel wrote:

At 11/13/12 11:11 PM, Entice wrote:

At 11/13/12 11:06 PM, Ministrel wrote: In country where they represent less than 5% of the population they represent the major part of rape agressor

Please give me a statistic that says that Muslims are significant contributors to rape in the United States.

No serious research where done in the Usa about this yet. Only few research statistic from research in Europe can be trusted.

Cite quantified legit information before popping off rhetorical propaganda at the mouth please.

[Warforger]

At 11/13/12 08:54 PM, Ministrel wrote: Shouldn't Quran be banned because the book is hatefull?

The Bible and the Torah has hateful things in them as well, but that does not mean that any of them should be banned. Hell Mein Kampf isn't even banned and I can walk into my School's library and check it out whenever I want to. If it says offensive things, fine, that isn't banned by the 1st amendment.

At 11/13/12 10:19 PM, WhitePowerUSA wrote: Of course it should be banned. We kicked out the commies, when they were plotting to take over our nation. How is this any different? Any culture or group who constantly threatens to "destroy america" has no place here. Let them fuck their camels and shit in sand dunes in their own land. They don't belong here. Radical Islam is trying to destroy the West from within and we're letting them do it.

Holy shit it's David Duke. Actually no, Muslims like Duke because Duke absolutely hates Jews and he goes on and on about them, he's even actually sided with black groups like the Nation of Islam. Duke also doesn't talk like a complete asshole like you do and is at the very least effective in trying to appear as least crazy as possible.

At the end of the day though, David Duke was never governor of Louisiana and Louisiana's current Governor is an Indian Republican (I mean Indian from India).

[LemonCrush]

At 11/13/12 10:19 PM, WhitePowerUSA wrote: Of course it should be banned. We kicked out the commies, when they were plotting to take over our nation...

Bill of Rights. Ever heard of it?

FWIW, there was no communist plot to "take over America"

[Ministrel]

At 11/13/12 11:30 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Cite quantified legit information before popping off rhetorical propaganda at the mouth please.

You could do some search yourself you know. But here one study if you really need one: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1u3sMjANgt77g6kaafy7 gBKGFZ-peMaPj-WCRORnMzGo

What he forgot to mention is that a good portion of the Norwegians rapist are Muslim born in Norway.

[Warforger]

At 11/13/12 11:37 PM, LemonCrush wrote:

At 11/13/12 10:19 PM, WhitePowerUSA wrote: Of course it should be banned. We kicked out the commies, when they were plotting to take over our nation...

Bill of Rights. Ever heard of it?

FWIW, there was no communist plot to "take over America"

Well there actually was, the whole Comintern thing kind of made it apparent as well as the constant talk of Global Communism. In fact the CPUSA had taken in millions of dollars from the USSR in order to create propaganda and infiltrate some Unions. The problem was that their influence was just so pathetic that they never got anywhere, they got somewhere in the 30's and 40's by influencing some decisions (like making the fateful decision of influencing the Republican primary in Wisconsin from nominating the fierce anti-Communist LaFollete Jr. and instead some obscure person called Joe McCarthy) hell even having a "Popular Front" dedicated to fighting Fascism. They did in fact take orders from Moscow. They had some spies such as the Rosenburgs in the government leaking secrets. The problem at the end of the day though was that their progress was just so pathetic they didn't pose a threat at all, and since they were all about infiltration (and they were notorious for this internationally) there was a fear they were using Liberalism as a vehicle for espionage, but even that wasn't too true. Even during the peak of the Great Depression they couldn't get to the electoral success the Socialist party had been getting pre-WWI, not a seat in the House or in any State legislature, not any mayoralty nothing. The core problem with the Communists trying to subvert America was that Communism was just too unpopular for them to influence anyone.

[leanlifter1]

At 11/13/12 11:46 PM, Ministrel wrote:

At 11/13/12 11:30 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Cite quantified legit information before popping off rhetorical propaganda at the mouth please.

You could do some search yourself you know. But here one study if you really need one: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1u3sMjANgt77g6kaafy7 gBKGFZ-peMaPj-WCRORnMzGo

What he forgot to mention is that a good portion of the Norwegians rapist are Muslim born in Norway.

So according to the premise of your semantics it would also be ok and valid to state that most Rape crimes in America are committed by Americans as Rape is a permanently street crime and most street people in America are America citizens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_Sta tes#Sex_offender_registration
You can also say that the USA has killed the most people in recent history than any other country so lets not get side tracked with minor issues here such as how much percent of Raping belong to which ethnic demographic. Give your head a shake.

[Ministrel]

At 11/13/12 11:56 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: So according to the premise of your semantics...

:facepalm:

[Insanctuary]

You can't 'ban' the Quran. You can 'disband' people from the Quran, though. It's a difficult process, because people's faith and their personal security is way more important than logic and reasoning.

Something LeanLifter1 'never' had.

[leanlifter1]

At 11/14/12 12:03 AM, Insanctuary wrote: You can't 'ban' the Quran. You can 'disband' people from the Quran, though. It's a difficult process, because people's faith and their personal security is way more important than logic and reasoning.

Something LeanLifter1 'never' had.

"because people's faith and their personal security is way more important than logic and reasoning."

Wow talk about misappropriated morals.

[Insanctuary]

At 11/14/12 12:09 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: Wow talk about misappropriated morals.

Says the person who demonizes people with straightly gutted lies that came from the abyss you call your Self. I don't like Obama, but seriously, he isn't some illuminati tool. You are a tool to your own egotistical tomfoolery, though.

At 11/14/12 12:06 AM, WhitePowerUSA wrote: Take that back. You cannot insult our glorious leader. Leanlifter has more intelligence in his pinky then you have in your entire brain. Logic and reasoning are not just words. They are ideas and perspectives. They are a skill set you will never possess.

Yes, which is why I can't take back what has already been designated by LeanLifter1, himself. Such a fool, who is hyped up on propaganda and easily falsifiable premises.

[Ministrel]

Have none of you ever read the Quran anyway? Messages of hate are allover the place:

QurâEUTMan 47:33 âEUoeBelievers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace.âEU
And any treaties with Infidels can be broken anytime for any reason, they have no meaning.
QurâEUTMan 9:123 âEUoemurder them and treat them harshlyâEU
QurâEUTMan 8:12 cp. 8:60 âEUoeInstill terror into the hearts of the unbelieversâEU; âEUoesmite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off themâEU
QurâEUTMan 2:191 âEUoe...kill the disbelievers wherever we find themâEU
QurâEUTMan 8:55 Surely the vilest of animals in AllahâEUTMs sight are those who disbelieve.
QurâEUTMan 22:19-22 âEUoefight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagemâEU âEUoefor them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rodsâEU
QurâEUTMan 48:13 Those who âEUoebelieve not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!âEU
QurâEUTMan 8:12 âEUoeYour Lord inspired the angels with the message: âEU~I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.âEU
QurâEUTMan 8:7 âEUoeAllah wished to confirm the truth by His words: âEU~Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.âEUTMâEU
QurâEUTMan 8:39 âEUoeSo, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.âEU
QurâEUTMan 8:59 âEUoeThe infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and AllahâEUTMs enemy.âEU
QurâEUTMan 4:101 âEUoeThe unbelievers (non-Muslims) are your inveterate foe.âEU
QurâEUTMan 8:60 âEUoePrepare against them (non-Muslims) whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah (non-Muslims), and others besides them not known to you. Whatever you spend in AllahâEUTMs Cause will be repaid in full, and no wrong will be done to you.âEU
QurâEUTMan 9.29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
QurâEUTMan 47:4 âEUoeStrike off the heads of the disbelieversâEU; and after making a âEUoewide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives.âEU
QurâEUTMan 5:33: âEUoeThe punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and perpetrate mischief [reject Islam or oppose its goals] in the land, is to murder them, to hang them, to mutilate them, or banish them. Such is their disgrace. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.âEU
QurâEUTMan 9:38 âEUoeBelievers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allah (i.e., Jihad) you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you march, He will afflict and punish you with a painful torture, and put others in your place. But you cannot harm Him in the least.âEU
QurâEUTMan 4:89 âEUoeThey wish that you would reject Faith, as they have, and thus be on the same footing: Do not be friends with them until they leave their homes in AllahâEUTMs Cause. But if they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.âEU
QurâEUTMan 9:3 âEUoeAllah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.âEU

I'll stop here or else I will need to post a very large portion of the book. Sure there is part saying they shouldn't kill without a just cause. But a just cause can be spreading the faith for them.

[leanlifter1]

At 11/14/12 12:19 AM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 11/14/12 12:09 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: Wow talk about misappropriated morals.

Says the person who demonizes people with straightly gutted lies that came from the abyss you call your Self. I don't like Obama, but seriously, he isn't some illuminati tool. You are a tool to your own egotistical tomfoolery, though.

Nice attempt at the use of a "Straw man fallacy" but I said nothing of "illuminati" YOU did then you move onto ad hominum attacks because you have no other ammo to refute the truth I am speaking.

Yes, which is why I can't take back what has already been designated by LeanLifter1, himself. Such a fool, who is hyped up on propaganda and easily falsifiable premises.

If I am wrong I will take a bow and apologize on any point(s) but non of you guy's have given me anything to go on other than prima facie ad hominum attacks and Fascist rhetoric.

[Insanctuary]

At 11/14/12 01:12 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: Nice attempt at the use of a "Straw man fallacy" but I said nothing of "illuminati" YOU did then you move onto ad hominum attacks because you have no other ammo to refute the truth I am speaking.

What truth are you speaking?

If I am wrong I will take a bow and apologize on any point(s) but non of you guy's have given me anything to go on other than prima facie ad hominum attacks and Fascist rhetoric.

Well, I have given you a window of opportunity to tell me your side of the 'truth'. I will respond accordingly.

[leanlifter1]

At 11/14/12 01:37 AM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 11/14/12 01:12 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: Nice attempt at the use of a "Straw man fallacy" but I said nothing of "illuminati" YOU did then you move onto ad hominum attacks because you have no other ammo to refute the truth I am speaking.

What truth are you speaking?

Advocating would be a better way to put it and I would post you links but there's no point as I would be labeled a commie, hippie, terrorist, socialist etc etc etc ... Did you have a look at my banner ?

[Insanctuary]

At 11/14/12 01:49 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: Advocating would be a better way to put it and I would post you links but there's no point as I would be labeled a commie, hippie, terrorist, socialist etc etc etc ... Did you have a look at my banner ?

The proper word would be: Idiot.