At 11/16/12 11:20 AM, Jmayer20 wrote:
How far do you think self determination should go? Should it just be for our states and other country's or could I declare my house to be a independent country? If you are not for letting my house be independent then please tell me were you think we should draw the line for self determination?
Are you familiar with the Montevideo Convention? It is an international agreement stating what in the eyes of the international community can constitute a sovereign state. Given the power a nation wields, this compact is surprisingly flexible.
"Article 1 - The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a) a permanent population; b) a defined territory; c) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.
Article 2 - The federal state shall constitute a sole person in the eyes of international law."
As long as there is one person claiming citizenship in your house, it has a permanent population. Does your house have a defined territory? This is a bit more complicated, because the house itself is not a territory, but the land it is built on is. So as long as you own the property, you're okay. Government can be simple as "Jmayer makes all the rules," so you have that. Capacity to enter relations is purposely ambiguous; if the police come to reclaim the house, you can call it an invasion, which constitutes foreign relations. Your state will be short lived, but you'll have a valid argument for its sovereignty. And Article 3 says international recognition isn't necessary to be sovereign, so you can even legitimately take your case to court.
Note also that Article 1 says these are conditions a sovereign state SHOULD meet, as opposed to MUST. In theory, you could declare your rented ninth-floor apartment a sovereign state, and the bills you pay as foreign trade agreements; then when you move, you can say you're annexing one territory and ceding another. And if you get robbed, you can call for "allied intervention" from the local police force. The extent to which self-determination is viable can quite easily delve into the realm of silliness.
But in the end, that is the point of self-determination - there is no limit to it. Silly or not, wise or foolish, it is our right as individuals to live as we see fit for ourselves. Whatever decision we make to that endeavor, we also accept and undertake the consequences of those decisions. It may not be a perfect solution, but in the interest of liberty, I believe that it is the correct one.