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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 05:33 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 05:14 PM, DaKnOb3 wrote: Life would be so much easier with a military dictatorship.

sigh

That would be part of the ushering in of the "Fascist Euphoria" and is something that would get old fast. The truth is many people want to be "Subjugated" and if people got a true taste of real freedom they would fear it and attack it.


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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 05:33 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 04:27 PM, Feoric wrote: Yes, for-profit insurance companies will keep the costs down. Brilliant idea!

Yes, that's how free markets work. If prices are too high. They don't get business. Now, in the current system the government is forcing them to raise rates.

And let's not shift the issue. You said that without Obamacare, people with million dollar medical bills will die. How does Obamacare remedy this?

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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 05:37 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 04:33 PM, naronic wrote:
To pay any kind of service EVERYBODY HAS TO CHIP IN.
For instance I don't have any kids and neither do you (thank god), but we still have to pay taxes to help schools. You may hate parks or museums, you still have to pay to support them. The so called "evil socialist" doctrine you think Obama put in place has always been present, we're just using it for something it should've been used for a long time ago.

Schools, museums, parks, roads, military, etc. benefit the entire society equally, therefore we all pay. You know, the GENERAL WELFARE clause. EVERYONE pays for the parks, roads, etc. and everyone reaps the benefits of that.

Obamacare on paper, only benefits SOME of the population at the expense of others. Why exactly should I pay for someone's healthcare, at the cost of my own?

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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 05:37 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 05:33 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
At 11/7/12 04:27 PM, Feoric wrote: Yes, for-profit insurance companies will keep the costs down. Brilliant idea!
Yes, that's how free markets work. If prices are too high. They don't get business. Now, in the current system the government is forcing them to raise rates.

Contrary to the statistically void efficiency assumptions made by most Market Economists, the Free-Market simply means anyone can do whatever they want and maximize however they want within the confines of legal legislation; legal legislation which, make no mistake, is also for sale in the Free-Market as well; as are political officials, regulatory institutions and whatever social entity you wish to consider.


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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 05:41 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 05:33 PM, LemonCrush wrote: Yes, that's how free markets work. If prices are too high. They don't get business.

That implies competition. Healthcare and health insurance, to a lesser extent, do not have full competition.

Now, in the current system the government is forcing them to raise rates.

How exactly?

Where do you get your information, cause you are making these wild claims without any backup, and much of your info is just plain wrong.

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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 05:41 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 05:33 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:
At 11/7/12 05:14 PM, DaKnOb3 wrote: Life would be so much easier with a military dictatorship.

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That would be part of the ushering in of the "Fascist Euphoria" and is something that would get old fast. The truth is many people want to be "Subjugated" and if people got a true taste of real freedom they would fear it and attack it.

That just gave me a funny thought. Imagine thousands of people running for their lives yelling, "It's coming! Run for your lives! Freedom is coming!" Freedom and subjugation are just a philosophical constructs anyway, like: patriotism, happiness, or morality. No one really knows what they mean, but everyone pretends to know exactly what they are. That is why I can't deny your statement, since it is the equivalent of saying:

The truth is many people want to be something and if people got a true taste of real something else they would fear it and attack it. Would make a good Mad Libs sentence though.

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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 05:43 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 05:37 PM, LemonCrush wrote: Obamacare on paper, only benefits SOME of the population at the expense of others. Why exactly should I pay for someone's healthcare, at the cost of my own?

Because:

You know, the GENERAL WELFARE clause

It's funny how you don't mind tax payers going to build parks and bridges and roads and stuff like that because of the General Welfare clause, but when it goes to people, well, nah.

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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 05:43 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 04:32 PM, Camarohusky wrote: Do you even know what Obamacare is? It requires people to purchase their own insurance.

Right, it's manditory to buy (or provide, if you're an employer) insurance, regardless of if you can afford it or not.

The government is not entering the insurance market in a way they haven't already. The government still only operates Medicare and Medicaid.

Um, yes they are. They are requiring people to purchase it.

Actually, it's the Republicans who wanted that. Obamacare is an attempt to ensure that all people have some form of accessible healthcare at all stages, not just the emergency stage as it is now (and how the Republicans wants it to be).

Really? Hmm, the Republican running in the presidential race was saying the exact opposite. He was saying people should be able to buy their own insurance, not subsidize someone elses.

The biggest depressor of healthcare costs is Medicare. Health insurance rates are also heavily inflated by lack of access to preventative medicine because the insurance' copays and deductables are too inequitable. (treatment for an esophageal hole is about 1,000 times more expensive than a doctor's appointment and a lifetime prescription to generic prilosec, yet when the copay to get that prescription goes above $100, people don;t go to the doc until they get that hole, cost all of us higher premiums to pay for the expensive procedure that was wholly avoidable).

The fact that such an explanation is required is an example of how rediculous insurance lobbies, medical lobbies and the government have made this whole thing. IT IS NOT THIS COMPLEX. It can literally be as simple as Doc charges $100 for a check up, you pay out of pocket, the end. Insurance does not even need to be part of the equation at all.

That's why it's called INSURANCE. It's supposed to be there to INSURE you can pay for an expensive procedure. The need for insurance is based on risk, just like any other investment you make. It is not a healthcare solution. But the lobbies and government have fucked with it so much, it is now the ONLY way to pay for ANY medical procedure.

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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 05:48 PM Reply

I find these walls of text very pretty. Perhaps I will put some up as wallpaper.

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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 05:49 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 05:41 PM, DaKnOb3 wrote:
That just gave me a funny thought. Imagine thousands of people running for their lives yelling, "It's coming! Run for your lives! Freedom is coming!" Freedom and subjugation are just a philosophical constructs anyway, like: patriotism, happiness, or morality. No one really knows what they mean, but everyone pretends to know exactly what they are.

Replace the word "Subjugated" with "controlled and oppressed" than instead of trying to bastardize posts that sacred you into thinking about reality and not the politically correct propaganda they sell you on TV, Newspapers, and Hollywood.


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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 05:57 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 05:49 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:
At 11/7/12 05:41 PM, DaKnOb3 wrote:
That just gave me a funny thought. Imagine thousands of people running for their lives yelling, "It's coming! Run for your lives! Freedom is coming!" Freedom and subjugation are just a philosophical constructs anyway, like: patriotism, happiness, or morality. No one really knows what they mean, but everyone pretends to know exactly what they are.
Replace the word "Subjugated" with "controlled and oppressed" than instead of trying to bastardize posts that sacred you into thinking about reality and not the politically correct propaganda they sell you on TV, Newspapers, and Hollywood.

Wait a sec, so it is sacred to think about reality. I always thought reality and sacred stuff were not exactly the same thing. Also your stuff could just as easily be said to be propaganda, except wait...you know the truth and everyone else is confused. We can trust you, but the rest of the stuff is lies. You're just as likely to make stuff up as an tv network, newspaper, or hollywood company are. Also the constant, unrelenting and consistent references to certain topics in certain ways, with the same words seems awfully propagandist to me. Anyway, reality is an idea and no one, not every "you" can really comprehend it. Bias is built into the human experience after all.

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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 06:06 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 05:57 PM, DaKnOb3 wrote:
Wait a sec, so it is sacred to think about reality. I always thought reality and sacred stuff were not exactly the same thing. Also your stuff could just as easily be said to be propaganda, except wait...you know the truth and everyone else is confused. We can trust you, but the rest of the stuff is lies. You're just as likely to make stuff up as an tv network, newspaper, or hollywood company are. Also the constant, unrelenting and consistent references to certain topics in certain ways, with the same words seems awfully propagandist to me. Anyway, reality is an idea and no one, not every "you" can really comprehend it. Bias is built into the human experience after all.

So the Fed is all about enriching people lives and the Government is your friend and would never lie to you. Bush/Obama are not mass murders but Bin Laded and Saddam are. In short the American Government is infallible and would never do anybody wrong and everything is just peachy :-) PS the Media always tells the truth because they are upholders of the statuesque.


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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 06:09 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 06:06 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:
So the Fed is all about enriching people lives and the Government is your friend and would never lie to you. Bush/Obama are not mass murders but Bin Laded and Saddam are. In short the American Government is infallible and would never do anybody wrong and everything is just peachy :-) PS the Media always tells the truth because they are upholders of the statuesque.

Did I say anything about the Fed, or the Government, or Bush/Obama or anything you just mentioned? No, but if you want to have a two sided conversation with yourself go ahead.

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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 06:31 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 05:43 PM, Feoric wrote:
It's funny how you don't mind tax payers going to build parks and bridges and roads and stuff like that because of the General Welfare clause, but when it goes to people, well, nah.

I support Infrastructure. Aid to States. Tax Holidays. Tax Rebates. Because the benefit a large sector of the population. See, we all benefit from infrastructure. We all use the roads, therefore we all pay.

Food stamps, Social Security, and "entitlements" do not. They benefit those that the government chooses, at the expense of others. Social Security, medicare, food stamps, benefit me not in a single way. So why should I pay for it? Why should I have to forego my own survival, so others can?

Get it?

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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 06:35 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 06:09 PM, DaKnOb3 wrote:
At 11/7/12 06:06 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:
So the Fed is all about enriching people lives and the Government is your friend and would never lie to you. Bush/Obama are not mass murders but Bin Laded and Saddam are. In short the American Government is infallible and would never do anybody wrong and everything is just peachy :-) PS the Media always tells the truth because they are upholders of the statuesque.
Did I say anything about the Fed, or the Government, or Bush/Obama or anything you just mentioned? No, but if you want to have a two sided conversation with yourself go ahead.

The point is you seem to unwittingly and unquestionably trust the sources that lie, cheat and steal our futures away from us but somehow I am the bad guy for bring these atrocities to light .


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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 06:37 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 06:31 PM, LemonCrush wrote: Food stamps, Social Security, and "entitlements" do not. They benefit those that the government chooses, at the expense of others. Social Security, medicare, food stamps, benefit me not in a single way. So why should I pay for it? Why should I have to forego my own survival, so others can?

Get it?

"Why should I help other people? Fuck them."

a large boot descends from the sky and steps on the faces of poor people forever

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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 06:37 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 06:31 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
At 11/7/12 05:43 PM, Feoric wrote:
It's funny how you don't mind tax payers going to build parks and bridges and roads and stuff like that because of the General Welfare clause, but when it goes to people, well, nah.
I support Infrastructure. Aid to States. Tax Holidays. Tax Rebates. Because the benefit a large sector of the population. See, we all benefit from infrastructure. We all use the roads, therefore we all pay.

Food stamps, Social Security, and "entitlements" do not. They benefit those that the government chooses, at the expense of others. Social Security, medicare, food stamps, benefit me not in a single way. So why should I pay for it? Why should I have to forego my own survival, so others can?

Get it?

So what about disability payments I guess people with legit disabilities are not worth the basics such as food, clothing, shelter, love, Internet and a pat on the back for not being a POS on society ?


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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 06:38 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 06:35 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:
Did I say anything about the Fed, or the Government, or Bush/Obama or anything you just mentioned? No, but if you want to have a two sided conversation with yourself go ahead.
The point is you seem to unwittingly and unquestionably trust the sources that lie, cheat and steal our futures away from us but somehow I am the bad guy for bring these atrocities to light .

There must be some major cognitive dissonance going on there, because what I've said and what you think I've said are extremely far apart.

On another note, I remember you saying you weren't from the United States at some point. Just curious what country you are from, since you seem pretty hung up about the US for someone who doesn't actually live here.

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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 06:40 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 06:37 PM, Feoric wrote:
a large boot descends from the sky and steps on the faces of poor people forever

The unwitting ironic nature of your statement is a bit humiliating and humbling to me.


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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 06:42 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 06:38 PM, DaKnOb3 wrote:
On another note, I remember you saying you weren't from the United States at some point. Just curious what country you are from, since you seem pretty hung up about the US for someone who doesn't actually live here.

Dual Citizenship and ex pat in the process to relinquish my US Citizenship 100%.


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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 06:44 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 06:40 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:
The unwitting ironic nature of your statement is a bit humiliating and humbling to me.

Your signature doesn't appear to be working. Just figured I'd let you know, since it prevents the people of Newgrounds from realizing that you think Obama and Adolf Hitler are one and the same.

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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 06:51 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 04:10 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: No it was Murder and disgusting that many of Humanity feels that murder is no big thing. Bin laden had a family and mom to just like Bush.

I was just flicking through the thread when I read this and it made me literally lol, just cos everyone's talking about taxes and politics then leanlifter comes in and argues that Bin Laden's killing was "Murder and disgusting that many of Humanity feels that murder is no big thing", followed by that he "had a family and mom to just like Bush". And the subject matter being broken by leanlifter's bizarre opinions was just too funny.

but on a serious note

At 11/7/12 03:14 PM, Camarohusky wrote:
At 11/7/12 02:47 PM, jimbobmuffincake wrote: Nice isn't it? Why do we have high unemployment in the first place?
A multitude of factors. Globalism. Lack of adequate demand. Lack of adequate training. Severe loss of respect for the value of the worker.

I agree with this in general. Obama and political nudges in general appear weak and ineffective in the powerful global marketplace.

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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 06:53 PM Reply

yeah he does have a way of derailing threads tho

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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 07:25 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 06:51 PM, Earfetish wrote:

And the subject matter being broken by leanlifter's bizarre opinions was just too funny.

Ya we really are fucked in a world were murder is not considered bizarre.


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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 07:32 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 03:40 PM, JMHX wrote:
Barack 'The Islamic Shock' Hussein SuperAllah Obama

hahahahaha , that's the best nick name I've seen for obummer yet !, i just may have to steal it

we as a people should of seen obama as a threat to our nation's businesses , he wants to deter TOP employers by taxing the literal shit out of them, what's going to happen is that the biggest corporations will ship more of our jobs over seas , some may just leave the nation all together , and the super wealthy will take what investments they have in this nation and put them into foreign interests .

another four years of obamacare, ows , and our debt will hit the Quadrillion mark

is it so surprising that "young" voters supported obama ?, they are the most immature and think they are "changing" things for the "better"


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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 07:36 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 07:25 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Ya we really are fucked in a world were murder is not considered bizarre.

I'm reluctant to engage you in conversation, but Bin Laden was essentially responsible for the murder of thousands of people on 9/11, as well as countless deaths in the Middle East and other terrorist murders across the world, and he would have been tricky to capture and safely hold. In fact, he would almost certainly have preferred to die than be detained by the US for the rest of his life, which was the only possible alternative.

Bin Laden was almost certainly planning to kill innocent people at the time he was arrested, and eliminating the threat he poses will very likely save numerous lives. Lives of non-murdering people, no less.

Why would you ignore Bin Laden's probable wishes? Would you rather the US didn't try to capture him?

What would you have done with (former) active terrorist mastermind Osama Bin Laden?

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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 07:39 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 07:32 PM, Mfan wrote:
At 11/7/12 03:40 PM, JMHX wrote:
Barack 'The Islamic Shock' Hussein SuperAllah Obama
hahahahaha , that's the best nick name I've seen for obummer yet !, i just may have to steal it

we as a people should of seen obama as a threat to our nation's businesses , he wants to deter TOP employers by taxing the literal shit out of them, what's going to happen is that the biggest corporations will ship more of our jobs over seas , some may just leave the nation all together , and the super wealthy will take what investments they have in this nation and put them into foreign interests .

I know, dude. Our marginal tax rates are through the roof. Obama is going to destroy this country this never before seen tax rates.

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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 07:45 PM Reply

At 11/7/12 07:39 PM, Feoric wrote:
I know, dude. Our marginal tax rates are through the roof. Obama is going to destroy this country this never before seen tax rates.

That 7% marginal tax rate before WWI sounds pretty awesome though. Then again I would have had a good chance of dying of the seasonal flu, so I guess its not such a bad tradeoff.

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At 11/7/12 07:39 PM, Feoric wrote:
I know, dude. Our marginal tax rates are through the roof. Obama is going to destroy this country this never before seen tax rates.

corporate tax rates , not over-all taxation

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Response to Four more years of taxing business Nov. 7th, 2012 @ 08:05 PM Reply

Republican logic: Instead of giving this dollar to the needy, let's give it to this rich guy and the rich guy will decide how much of this dollar to give to the needy.

Also taxing a business is retarded. I never got that. Tax the salaries, not the business.


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