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Response to The Protagonist... 2012-10-31 13:25:53 Reply

At 10/31/12 01:18 PM, Insanctuary wrote:
At 10/31/12 01:15 PM, Entice wrote: Can you suck yourself off?
This one time, when I was younger, I tried and suckceded.

What did your own cum taste like?


What comes around goes around...

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Response to The Protagonist... 2012-10-31 13:30:03 Reply

At 10/31/12 01:19 PM, Entice wrote: Video plz.

Sorry, the only person who has this privilege to have this beast, is my naughty wolfy wolf. I'm going to make all of the claims for there being an extra dimension through walls come true, by pinning her against the wall; and sending to her one.

Only she can have this: (My God-Complex is downstairs)

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Response to The Protagonist... 2012-10-31 13:33:03 Reply

At 10/31/12 01:30 PM, Insanctuary wrote: my naughty wolfy wolf

I fucking knew it.

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Response to The Protagonist... 2012-10-31 13:37:14 Reply

At 10/31/12 01:33 PM, Entice wrote: I fucking knew it.

Yeah, she also can draw, write, speak English and hold me in her arms. What an amazing wolfy wolf she is. My love for her burns greater han my loins and loins combined.


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Response to The Protagonist... 2012-10-31 13:41:28 Reply

At 10/31/12 12:37 PM, Insanctuary wrote:
At 10/31/12 12:32 PM, EmmaVolt wrote: List of protagonists
They are all mounted on convenience

Luke Skywalker is a peasant farmer who's parents and adopted parents are presumably killed by the Empire.
Jack Sparrow is a lone pirate captain wanted by royal forces, and who's crew mutinied against him.
Bruce Wayne is a man who has taken it upon himself to protect his city from evildoers after the death of his parents.
Tony Stark is a man who was captured by terrorists in Afghanistan and forced to escape by his own means.
Ezio Auditore had his family killed and basically inherits the responsibility of protecting the balance in the world.
Nathan Drake is an orphan who's addiction to adventure puts himself and his friends' lives in jeopardy.

Catch my drift?

Why else do they have more than one life, and have miraculous turns that never happened in the beginning of any of the games, books and movies?

I'm not even going to attempt to understand the logical flow of this aside. Are you just defining a protagonist and then complaining about the definition?


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Response to The Protagonist... 2012-10-31 13:50:42 Reply

At 10/31/12 11:23 AM, Insanctuary wrote: Watch any movie, read any book or play any game where there is a protagonist and an antagonist. Then ask yourself why the protagonist is always able to win at the end; whereas, throughout the entire movie, book or game, they bare convenience and luck with 0 skill or strength.

"Naked" by Mike Leigh says otherwise.

KEEP TRYING THOUGH!

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Response to The Protagonist... 2012-10-31 14:06:42 Reply

At 10/31/12 01:41 PM, EmmaVolt wrote: Luke Skywalker is a peasant farmer who's parents and adopted parents are presumably killed by the Empire.

He is also against someone with an asthma problem who wears a mix between plastic armour and Predator. What he says is generic and one-dimensional. The entire fact that the antagonist had access to a Death Star, and still lost, is bullshit.

Jack Sparrow is a lone pirate captain wanted by royal forces, and who's crew mutinied against him.

He is also autistic. He has problems, and gets himself into more messes than he does getting himself out of them. They say that he got his name from jacking off a sparrow once when he was a kid. Though, Johnny Depp is a fantastic actor.

Bruce Wayne is a man who has taken it upon himself to protect his city from evildoers after the death of his parents.

Yes, while hiding under an identity and wearing tights that reveals the outline of ass when ever he goes to save Gotham City. ''Don't worry my people! I will solve this asstastrophe... erm... catastrophe soon enough, while sounding like I'm dying behind this mask!''.

Tony Stark is a man who was captured by terrorists in Afghanistan and forced to escape by his own means.

By creating something spontaneously in a cave, all the while he is a pretentious fuck who created the problem he had became the hero to fix in the first place.

Ezio Auditore had his family killed and basically inherits the responsibility of protecting the balance in the world.

Yes, but he still a morraly bankrupt prideful prick who is off to to avenge what can never be brought back. He risks many people's lives, while he selfishly cares about his own because he is a bankrupt prideful prick.

Nathan Drake is an orphan who's addiction to adventure puts himself and his friends' lives in jeopardy.

Yes, so a whole load of convenient and unlikely scenarios can give birth to yet another unsurprising adventure.

Catch my drift?

Next time, don't eat onions.

Why else do they have more than one life, and have miraculous turns that never happened in the beginning of any of the games, books and movies?
I'm not even going to attempt to understand the logical flow of this aside. Are you just defining a protagonist and then complaining about the definition?

No, I'm identifying the potential convenience behind those idols we know and love.


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Response to The Protagonist... 2012-10-31 14:28:14 Reply

At 10/31/12 01:50 PM, yurgenburgen wrote: "Naked" by Mike Leigh says otherwise.

Oh, you mean that morally calloused shadow in the brink of society's emotional harbingers? This movie is a cinematic euphemism for a sociopathic, problematic individual who can't find his way, so he compensates for it by being in a ''motion'' picture.


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Response to The Protagonist... 2012-10-31 14:33:33 Reply

In my games there is only one protagonist who wins by deceit, cunning, expertise and might.


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Response to The Protagonist... 2012-10-31 14:35:16 Reply

At 10/31/12 02:33 PM, satanbrain wrote: In my games there is only one protagonist who wins by deceit, cunning, expertise and might.

Yes, that would be convenience.


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Response to The Protagonist... 2012-10-31 14:48:36 Reply

Generally, all successful and interesting stories feature a protagonist who undergoes several, increasingly difficult obstacles in order to reach a goal or defeat an antagonist. It is widely accepted among the film community that this formula is ideal for creating an engaging story or epic:

"Inciting Incident, Plot One Obstacle, Plot Two Obstacle, Midpoint, Plot Three Obstacle (Twist), Climax, Denouement"

For any of these events to be interesting, the protagonist must grow (or at least change). Of course, this formula is not foolproof, and one does not have to follow it for their story to be great. Your question is one that is, frankly, self-deafeating. To ask why a protagonist succeeds at the end should be common sense. Unless the story is meant to be a tragedy, the protagonist must win for the audience to be satisfied. This is at the very essence of storytelling. As for your second thought, it is obvious that most obstacles are overcome through help, luck, "convenience" or skill. In good stories, scaling obstacles is the key cause for the character's growth (which is necessary for defeating the antagonist and/or reaching a goal).

In short, the protagonist must first be weak before he/she can become strong. Otherwise, what is the point of the story? You are free to complain about this, but honestly, I would challenge YOU to write a story without any of the above elements within.

At 10/31/12 11:23 AM, Insanctuary wrote: Now, ask yourself why people generally want to be the hero; that is incompetent at being a hero, in a convenient world, where everything is up to the writer.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here.


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Response to The Protagonist... 2012-10-31 14:55:26 Reply

At 10/31/12 02:48 PM, Silverdust wrote: In short, the protagonist must first be weak before he/she can become strong. Otherwise, what is the point of the story? You are free to complain about this, but honestly, I would challenge YOU to write a story without any of the above elements within.

In short, the point was: Why do people look up to inept heroes who are generic, unsurprising and fuck all heroic?

At 10/31/12 11:23 AM, Insanctuary wrote: Now, ask yourself why people generally want to be the hero; that is incompetent at being a hero, in a convenient world, where everything is up to the writer.
I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

Refer to what I've just said. The fact of the matter is this: People look up to commercial idols and not real life idols.


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Response to The Protagonist... 2012-10-31 18:43:21 Reply

At 10/31/12 01:33 PM, Entice wrote: I fucking knew it.

I saved the picture.


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Response to The Protagonist... 2012-10-31 19:01:44 Reply

At 10/31/12 06:43 PM, Insanctuary wrote:
At 10/31/12 01:33 PM, Entice wrote: I fucking knew it.
I saved the picture.

So that you can jack off to it later?

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Response to The Protagonist... 2012-10-31 19:10:33 Reply

At 10/31/12 07:01 PM, Entice wrote: So that you can jack off to it later?

No, so I can show it to my wolfy wolf.


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Response to The Protagonist... 2012-10-31 19:12:04 Reply

At 10/31/12 07:10 PM, Insanctuary wrote: No, so I can show it to my wolfy wolf.

Dogs can't see images on computer monitors.
Does wolfy wolf know that you didn't do anything all day but get on Newgrounds?

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Response to The Protagonist... 2012-10-31 19:13:43 Reply

At 10/31/12 07:12 PM, Entice wrote: Does wolfy wolf know that you didn't do anything all day but get on Newgrounds?

No, she has religiously zealous parents that try to control her life, so I lie here in wait.


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