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At 10/30/12 03:45 PM, jAvAcOlA wrote:

At 10/29/12 08:05 PM, Rummy0 wrote: blah blah blah I'm a faggot

I swear to god people who listen to death metal are the most self-righteous, arrogant pricks on the planet. Cool dude, you like different music. Obviously that makes anything you don't like shit. These are the exact people I predicted would ruin the thread with their bullshit preaching.

Generalizations like that only make you look like a dumbass.

As one who listens to death metal and many other kinds of music, there are plenty of things I don't personally like but respect anyway. Screamo is not one of them. There are reasons for the hate.

At 10/30/12 03:45 PM, jAvAcOlA wrote:

At 10/29/12 08:05 PM, Rummy0 wrote: blah blah blah I'm a faggot

I swear to god people who listen to death metal are the most self-righteous, arrogant pricks on the planet. Cool dude, you like different music. Obviously that makes anything you don't like shit. These are the exact people I predicted would ruin the thread with their bullshit preaching.

I like Death Metal... and Post-Rock, and Neofolk, and Thrash Metal, and Doom Metal, and Hardcore Punk, and Contemporary Classical, and Rap, and Shoegaze, and Electronic, and Ambient, and Black Metal, and Sludge, and Stoner Rock, and Progressive Metal, and Progressive Rock, and Drone, and Crust Punk, and Electronic Ambient, and Glitch Hop, and more.

Fuck you javacoia. You pretentious judgemental dickwad.

At 10/30/12 05:43 PM, J-Rex wrote: Your favorite screamo genre(s) - Nintendocore is the only subgenre of screamo I can think of that is okay.

You mean crap like iwreastledabearonce?

At 10/29/12 06:35 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 10/29/12 12:41 AM, TruBluFoxx wrote: Also, I think most metalheads hate core of any kind.

Well, a lot of the kind of dedicated metal-heads who know about all the subgenres and actually understand what is really metal and what isn't seem to have a tendency to dislike the metalcore and nu-metal and whatnot. However, I, however, like a few metalcore and nu-metal songs such as My Curse by Killswitch Engage, Not Falling and World so Cold by Mudvayne, most of the Follow the Leader album by Korn, Make me Bad by Korn, and a few songs by Flaw.

Eh, killswitch Engage is an interesting mix, and I myself like All that Remains, but there is a noticeable difference between them and practically all core bands. I have seen some hate for numetal but most is stemmed from Fred Durst being a a giant douche. Also, Mudvayne's "Not Falling" is an amazing song.

And I'm one of those "four horsemen" of the Metal Hell. We hardly get new people, though. Also, Jarrydn used to be in the Hell, and he was the one who started the Nu-Metal/Metalcore Crew, and he knew what was what. He also had a Hello Kitty guitar. XD

I kinda left Metal Hell after a discussion about Fleshgod Apocalypse. No bad blood, just forgot to check up in it.

Also, Rummy, you are my hero xD

At 10/30/12 11:07 PM, TruBluFoxx wrote: Eh, killswitch Engage is an interesting mix, and I myself like All that Remains, but there is a noticeable difference between them and practically all core bands. I have seen some hate for numetal but most is stemmed from Fred Durst being a a giant douche. Also, Mudvayne's "Not Falling" is an amazing song.

We still have to understand the distinction between metalcore and screamo here. Both ATR and Killswitch Engage are Metalcore bands, not Screamo. And Nu-Metal is generally suckish, and not just because of Lame Biscuit. I've been through a lot of Nu-Metal to try and find something good. But it's filled with boring chugging alternative rock riffs on down-tuned guitars and distortion. It lacks all that makes Rock interesting, while flat-out failling in the Metal aspects it tries to emulate.

I kinda left Metal Hell after a discussion about Fleshgod Apocalypse. No bad blood, just forgot to check up in it.

What happenned ? I think Fleshgod Apocalypse are generall well-received in the Metal Hell. I dislike the newest album a lot. But I don't see how you could have been offended enough by my words or the words of other members of the Metal Hell on this band.

0/30/12 05:43 PM, J-Rex wrote:

Your favorite screamo genre(s) - Nintendocore is the only subgenre of screamo I can think of that is okay.

You mean crap like iwreastledabearonce?

Well I've heard one or two Nintendocore songs and they were good and I didn't no any screamo genres off the top off my head besides that.

At 10/27/12 11:18 PM, Poopwardo wrote: Good song examples ~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMRNAkbVoXA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NJ3i8IAico
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxkjfaV9k8Q

Those aren't Screamo songs.

At 10/30/12 03:45 PM, jAvAcOlA wrote:

At 10/29/12 08:05 PM, Rummy0 wrote: blah blah blah I'm a faggot

I swear to god people who listen to death metal are the most self-righteous, arrogant pricks on the planet. Cool dude, you like different music. Obviously that makes anything you don't like shit. These are the exact people I predicted would ruin the thread with their bullshit preaching.

BAHAHAHAHA! OMFG dude you're fucking awesome! XD

So if screamo isn't a vocal technique than what do you call the screaming? Other than Fry, Growl, Grunt, False Chord, Sqealing & all of that?

Lets just get all points here so it stops now and so this thread can stay back on topic:

1. Screamo is a genre, not a vocal style
2. Metal is not Screamo, Screamo is not Metal
3. Screams in a song do not make it Screamo

it only seems to be OP getting it wrong though.

At 10/31/12 03:45 PM, Rummy0 wrote: not liking them is neither elitism nor narrow-minded because it's called having taste

This is incredibly hypocritical. Yes, not liking certain music is fine. It becomes narrow-minded when you say things like "its called having taste". You can argue this all day, there isn't one type of music that's better than another. People like what they like, just get over it and don't be such a tool pushing your beliefs on other people.

At 10/31/12 06:07 PM, jAvAcOlA wrote: This is incredibly hypocritical. Yes, not liking certain music is fine. It becomes narrow-minded when you say things like "its called having taste". You can argue this all day, there isn't one type of music that's better than another. People like what they like, just get over it and don't be such a tool pushing your beliefs on other people.

A lot of music is subjective but there is some that is less subjective, the things people can mostly agree on.

At 10/31/12 04:09 PM, Poopwardo wrote: BAHAHAHAHA! OMFG dude you're fucking awesome! XD

What's awesome about making a sweeping generalization which makes him look like a retard?

So if screamo isn't a vocal technique than what do you call the screaming? Other than Fry, Growl, Grunt, False Chord, Sqealing & all of that?

Why not simply call it screaming? That's what it is after all. Just avoid using the term "screaming" when referring to anything that isn't screamo.

You could also just call it "harsh vocals," which works well enough with pretty much any vocal style that isn't clean.

At 10/31/12 06:36 PM, BumFodder wrote: A lot of music is subjective but there is some that is less subjective, the things people can mostly agree on.

I like to say that opinions on music are entirely subjective, but also strongly dependent on how much an individual knows about music or how adjusted they are to certain sounds. I'd also say that while opinions on the sounds are subjective, talent is not. Some bands simply don't have any talent.

At 10/31/12 06:36 PM, BumFodder wrote: A lot of music is subjective but there is some that is less subjective, the things people can mostly agree on.

The vocals in the music he posted sounds horrendous to me. And it's nearly impossible to make out what they're saying. Say all you want about how well they play there instruments (which I agree, most of the time they are better in that department), they lack an entire phase of music...vocals.

If you want to play the game you're playing, I can sit here and say that it takes a hell of a lot of talent to be a great singer, and those bands simply can't do that.

Once again, there's no point to us arguing this. It's like arguing religion, there's no right answer. You all are probably the same people who think rap is just "monkeys making noise".

At 10/31/12 08:19 PM, jAvAcOlA wrote: If you want to play the game you're playing, I can sit here and say that it takes a hell of a lot of talent to be a great singer, and those bands simply can't do that.

Believe it or not, properly screaming/growling/whatever such that the vocalist doesn't damage his voice is somewhat difficult. It may not sound good to you, possibly because you're simply not used to it (I used to hate those vocals myself,) but that doesn't make it bad.

Once again, there's no point to us arguing this. It's like arguing religion, there's no right answer. You all are probably the same people who think rap is just "monkeys making noise".

I know I don't feel that way about rap. I don't personally like it but respect it much of the time. I doubt most of us hate rap either.

At 10/31/12 08:19 PM, jAvAcOlA wrote: And it's nearly impossible to make out what they're saying. Say all you want about how well they play there instruments (which I agree, most of the time they are better in that department), they lack an entire phase of music...vocals.

I cant agree with any of that. I listen to a lot of music with no vocals or foreign vocals, and I cant understand why some people need understandable vocals or vocals at all in a song to enjoy it. I find the reasoning a lot of people give as to why they need vocals very shallow or just silly. For example, these people seem to be enjoying this instrumental a lot at this concert.

If you want to play the game you're playing, I can sit here and say that it takes a hell of a lot of talent to be a great singer, and those bands simply can't do that.

I dont see what youre getting at other than saying the obvious

Once again, there's no point to us arguing this. It's like arguing religion, there's no right answer. You all are probably the same people who think rap is just "monkeys making noise".

I have no idea what you are on about + whats wrong with rapping?

At 10/31/12 06:07 PM, jAvAcOlA wrote: This is incredibly hypocritical. Yes, not liking certain music is fine. It becomes narrow-minded when you say things like "its called having taste". You can argue this all day, there isn't one type of music that's better than another. People like what they like, just get over it and don't be such a tool pushing your beliefs on other people.

Believeing that subjectivism is the only good approach to music and arts is also narrow-minded. The idea that everything is worth the exact same thing and that the only people who can judge of the quality of something is the individual itself is an ideology. Mallcore, post-hardcore, dubstep and the likes are commercial genres. They are over-produced generic forms or so called art. They fail miserably as their prime obective isn't located in artistic goals but rather in economical goals. What do you call something that is made only for the purpose of gaining monetary capital ? A consumption product, nothing else.

Meal elitists are so adorable.
Please have some decency and go back to your shitty and let some of the few music appreciators here have a conversation. Maybe come back when/if your taste in/overall attitude toward music matures a little bit.

At 11/1/12 01:37 AM, KieranNG wrote: Meal elitists are so adorable.
Please have some decency and go back to your shitty and let some of the few music appreciators here have a conversation. Maybe come back when/if your taste in/overall attitude toward music matures a little bit.

Damn, you post is unreadable. Stop being so hypocritical. We are very open-minded in many ways. Far more than you are, good sir. Because you obviously didn't read most of the posts in the discussion. I love metal music and I displayed in a previous post that I have very diversified tastes. Your point is invalid.

At 10/31/12 10:15 PM, BumFodder wrote: I cant agree with any of that. I listen to a lot of music with no vocals or foreign vocals, and I cant understand why some people need understandable vocals or vocals at all in a song to enjoy it. I find the reasoning a lot of people give as to why they need vocals very shallow or just silly. For example, these people seem to be enjoying this instrumental a lot at this concert.

Music doesn't need vocals. Music also doesn't need instrumentals.

I dont see what youre getting at other than saying the obvious

That instrumentals aren't the only thing that matters.

I have no idea what you are on about + whats wrong with rapping?

Nothing is wrong with rapping. It furthers my point that vocal ability (flow in this case) is a big part of music and shouldn't be overlooked. I can't tell you how many times I've seen metal elitists bash rap and say it isn't real music, that's all.

At 11/1/12 12:29 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Believeing that subjectivism is the only good approach to music and arts is also narrow-minded. The idea that everything is worth the exact same thing and that the only people who can judge of the quality of something is the individual itself is an ideology. Mallcore, post-hardcore, dubstep and the likes are commercial genres. They are over-produced generic forms or so called art. They fail miserably as their prime obective isn't located in artistic goals but rather in economical goals. What do you call something that is made only for the purpose of gaining monetary capital ? A consumption product, nothing else.

At the end of the day, we listen to music for pleasure. What the hell does it matter as long as it is doing that?

And by the way, what you're saying about post-hardcore being fueled by money is just completely wrong. There is NO money in that genre. Even the biggest bands in the genre don't make shit.

Rummy0, can you give me a few examples of songs that you are referring to as the talentless mallcore or whatever? Just so I can get a better idea of where we stand.

my fav screamo song! :D

At 11/1/12 12:55 PM, Rummy0 wrote: Ok actually here's a comparison:

Wow lol you must have been doing that for ages

ALSO COME ON STEAM NOW

At 11/1/12 02:24 AM, jAvAcOlA wrote: At the end of the day, we listen to music for pleasure. What the hell does it matter as long as it is doing that?

Limiting arts to a lousy entertainment is retarded. Art is deeply connected with political and sociological aspects or our societies. Especially modern and contemporary arts. Intellectuals in various fields of study research arts in it's various aspects. No, art is not just about consumption. Listening to music is not like drinking a Coke.

And by the way, what you're saying about post-hardcore being fueled by money is just completely wrong. There is NO money in that genre. Even the biggest bands in the genre don't make shit.

They are well-know. Not a Lady Gaga well-known, but if scene kids with no kind of musical and artistical background know about these bands it's because they have a visibility

At 11/1/12 07:09 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 11/1/12 02:24 AM, jAvAcOlA wrote: At the end of the day, we listen to music for pleasure. What the hell does it matter as long as it is doing that?

Limiting arts to a lousy entertainment is retarded. Art is deeply connected with political and sociological aspects or our societies. Especially modern and contemporary arts. Intellectuals in various fields of study research arts in it's various aspects. No, art is not just about consumption. Listening to music is not like drinking a Coke.

Yeah exactly. Some musical artists are like picasso or leonardo da vinci, some of them are like the 5 year old who just learned how to hold a paint brush. You can say its all opinion, but at the end of the its fairly obvious to most people who is utter shite and who is amazing.

You guys bashed the band so much it actually killed the vocalist. Tisk, Tisk.

Suicide Silence vocalist killed in crash.

At 10/29/12 04:25 PM, Poopwardo wrote: I myself understand screamo and don't need a newgrounds troll to tell me otherwise. I have been doing it myself for a year and screamo is a vocal technique and NOT a genre. There are metal bands that don't even have screamo in them. So chill yourself.

you just said earlier in this thread, "this club is for all fans of that distorted vocal technique in metal that we call screamo!"

you started the thread off wrong, and you're just making yourself even more wrong.

Alright. So appearently Screamo is a sub genre of music. Well when I was using the term "Screamo" I was thinking of the distorted vocals such as fry screaming, death growl, etc. But we all grow up listening to the music we listen to. And over time we listen to new music that just seams like crap to us. This is similar to adults, how they think that our modern music is crap. Although some of you guys are adults, and I can respect that. I like listening to Mallcore bands & I checked out some of the classic metal bands you posted & they actually sounded pretty fucking bad ass. And who said rap was bad? I like rap. :P

There we go.

At 11/4/12 11:39 PM, Poopwardo wrote: Alright. So appearently Screamo is a sub genre of music.

Thats what everyones been saying the whole thread. I dont understand how you could have only just figured it out. I thought it was common knowledge too but obviously not.

Don't have a lot to contribute, but

That one album I just fucking listen to over and over and can't get enough- A Skylit Drive : She Watched the Sky

Their first ep was just so damn great.