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About Anonymous 2012-10-18 10:44:11 Reply

I love Anonymous. They have done a lot of work internationally to fight for our freedoms. More groups like these need to be formed in order to stand for what's right, and I love and respect their work. I know I haven't been much in the loop lately in regards to them and I should probably do that.

I guess my question is, and since they work in a lot of political issues, what is your favorite act by anonymous? My favorite personally is their fight against SOPA and PIPA, and their work on ACTA. I can't give specifics, because as I have said, I haven't been keeping in the loop, and I should probably do that. We need more people to stand up and fight for what's right, even if it's only online, but keep in mind, these guys could make a real difference.


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Response to About Anonymous 2012-10-18 10:49:48 Reply

I liked when a bunch of their operatives went to prison for criminal electronic trespass and attempting to infiltrate the FBI. I guess that's what you get when you try to be Internet tough.


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Response to About Anonymous 2012-10-18 11:49:59 Reply

At 10/18/12 10:49 AM, JMHX wrote: I liked when a bunch of their operatives went to prison for criminal electronic trespass and attempting to infiltrate the FBI. I guess that's what you get when you try to be Internet tough.

I'm no fan of these groups that think the law ends at the border of the internet. Stealing is stealing, breaking in is breaking in, harassment is harasment, and so on, merely being on the interent does not change this.

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Response to About Anonymous 2012-10-18 12:05:55 Reply

I'm no fan of these groups that think the law ends at the border of the internet. Stealing is stealing, breaking in is breaking in, harassment is harasment, and so on, merely being on the interent does not change this.

However, isn't it a good thing when they harass someone who has done wrong in real life?


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Response to About Anonymous 2012-10-18 12:06:59 Reply

At 10/18/12 10:49 AM, JMHX wrote: I liked when a bunch of their operatives went to prison for criminal electronic trespass and attempting to infiltrate the FBI. I guess that's what you get when you try to be Internet tough.

That I can agree is pretty dumb, but even so, I think we have to understand why they did it. What exactly were the details? Liks I said before, I haven't been keeping up with the loop, so to speak, so I honestly don't know about their recent escapades.


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Response to About Anonymous 2012-10-18 12:09:05 Reply

At 10/18/12 12:05 PM, HiryuGouki wrote: However, isn't it a good thing when they harass someone who has done wrong in real life?

Retribution for someone else's wrong is never a justification for comitting a crime. That's what we call vigilantism. Supporting Anonymous is no different than supporting Zimmerman.

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Response to About Anonymous 2012-10-18 12:23:41 Reply

Anonymous has as its core a rejection of the state system and the rule of law as we've built it. So they engage in their own retribution against people. The problem is, the people who face Anonymous's retribution are of their own choosing. There's no standard of law that holds up to any kind of analysis. It's nothing more than personal vendettas often launched against people who have knowingly or unknowingly offended a group of (mostly) 20-something to 30-something men scattered around the world.

That's no way to run a system, and we rejected that idea 500 years ago. So now they are caught and processed by the justice system for breaking a bunch of laws. How is any of this surprising?


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Response to About Anonymous 2012-10-18 15:35:24 Reply

At 10/18/12 12:05 PM, HiryuGouki wrote:
I'm no fan of these groups that think the law ends at the border of the internet. Stealing is stealing, breaking in is breaking in, harassment is harasment, and so on, merely being on the interent does not change this.
However, isn't it a good thing when they harass someone who has done wrong in real life?

I believe thats what the courts are for. People are afraid of police officers being judge, jury and executioner, but when a group of faceless and completely anonymous computer hackers do it, somehow that's justifiable? The reason people may think that Annonymous is ok though and Judge Dredd is not, because most people know they are never going to do anything big enough in their lives to attract the ire of Annonymous, but its a very real possibility that Judge Dredd could knock on your door, speeding, drinking and driving, assault etc etc etc. Even the most law abiding people speed or roll through a stop sign.


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Response to About Anonymous 2012-10-19 04:26:52 Reply

As long as Anonymous remains Anonymous they will continue to have only a modicum of influence and impact. Movements eventually have to enter the public square. They have in Europe, in the form of the Pirate Party, but in America these internet activists are mostly too afraid to show their face. Until they are willing to put their lives on the line for this cause, they will continue to be picked off by the authorities and nothing will change. It is worth noting that legislatively, all Anonymous has contributed to is blocking some now legislation.

They have not had one success in putting their own ideas into new laws and that is the only way that the issues they talk about are ever going to change. Until then, they will remain a splinter group that no one really takes seriously and is an easy target for those who want to pick them off.

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Response to About Anonymous 2012-10-19 06:29:51 Reply

At 10/18/12 10:44 AM, HiryuGouki wrote: I love Anonymous. They have done a lot of work internationally to fight for our freedoms. More groups like these need to be formed in order to stand for what's right, and I love and respect their work. I know I haven't been much in the loop lately in regards to them and I should probably do that.

You know Anonymous isnt a group right? Its just a meme that turned into a psuedonym that anyone can use. Who exactly are you talking about?

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Response to About Anonymous 2012-10-19 07:42:45 Reply

At 10/19/12 06:29 AM, BumFodder wrote:
At 10/18/12 10:44 AM, HiryuGouki wrote: I love Anonymous. They have done a lot of work internationally to fight for our freedoms. More groups like these need to be formed in order to stand for what's right, and I love and respect their work. I know I haven't been much in the loop lately in regards to them and I should probably do that.
You know Anonymous isnt a group right? Its just a meme that turned into a psuedonym that anyone can use. Who exactly are you talking about?

One could assume that he is referring to hackers that use the term "Anonymous" to describe the acts they do. Then again, every single hacker would be assumed a member of Anonymous if they hide their identity. One person could be acting out of self-interest and make 'Anonymous' look bad to the public.

I don't honestly see Anonymous as a group. I see them more as individual hackers here and there that wish not to be given a name or alias for the interest of keeping attention to them low. Anonymous being a group implies that they cooperate on some level, and are familiar with each other's aims.

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Response to About Anonymous 2012-10-19 17:46:02 Reply

At 10/18/12 10:44 AM, HiryuGouki wrote: I love Anonymous. They have done a lot of work internationally to fight for our freedoms.

That's not really the case, they're more trolls than freedom fighters, especially when all of their attacks happen via Internet. People really need to stop saying that Anon is fighting for our freedoms, when our freedoms aren't being threatened and are pissing more people off than they are helping, just like OWS.

More groups like these need to be formed in order to stand for what's right, and I love and respect their work. I know I haven't been much in the loop lately in regards to them and I should probably do that.

You said it yourself, you haven't been in the loop lately. While there is no leader or even if there is a group of people in Anonymous, they haven't exactly done many favors to us in general, and made a powerful enemy in the Mexican drug cartels by trolling them. When you put your trust into a group of you've never seen before, simply put, that's not good.


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Response to About Anonymous 2012-10-19 19:21:00 Reply

Wow, public opinion of Anon has sure has nose dived since 2009.

On topic, I remember anonymous bullying 13 year olds to the point of near suicide for making clubs against cursing, racism, sexism and porn and that's definitely evidence of them suppressing freedom of speech/expression, but I'm not quite following the logic behind the vice versa.

Oh wait you're taking about all the cumulative times they've made an ass out of themselves behind the shield of mass protests and or vocal government push-backs to ever so slightly sway government decisions and public voice in their favor.
Well I guess I can't say they've done nothing since they have managed to show the state and government they can bite down hard enough to the point where they've been put under special watch but I don't think the net effect can be considered a victory for either side.


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Response to About Anonymous 2012-10-19 22:41:12 Reply

At 10/19/12 05:17 PM, RightWingGamer wrote: Crediting Anonymous for stopping SOPA is like crediting Harry Truman for stopping Hitler.

SOPA was stopped by the massive protests, not by a bunch of hacker dicks with over-inflated egos.

Absolute truth here...although we do have to give Truman the credit for pwning the Japanese...

And that's actually all I really have since everybody else pointed it out so well already.


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Response to About Anonymous 2012-10-19 23:00:05 Reply

At 10/19/12 05:17 PM, RightWingGamer wrote: Crediting Anonymous for stopping SOPA is like crediting Harry Truman for stopping Hitler.

SOPA was stopped by the massive protests, not by a bunch of hacker dicks with over-inflated egos.

LOL since when has protesting stopped or started anything other than people getting charged beaten and or imprisoned for creating a public disturbance. SOPA was not stopped by protesting SOPA was stopped by people with political influence that had common sense if there is such thing in politics.


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Response to About Anonymous 2012-10-20 04:45:31 Reply

At 10/19/12 07:42 AM, Sectus wrote: I don't honestly see Anonymous as a group. I see them more as individual hackers here and there that wish not to be given a name or alias for the interest of keeping attention to them low. Anonymous being a group implies that they cooperate on some level, and are familiar with each other's aims.

Well thats pretty much it, Anonymous is just a psuedonym that any group of hackers can use, usually temporary ones. Its even used to describe groups that dont describe themselves as it for some reason and actually have a name, probably because a lot of people have no idea what it means.